Just lost twice in a row to that bullshit life steal insta kill
Worst part is that I’m playing plot twist c’thun lock, I was able to complete my quest to draw 20 cards at 9 mana by twisting once. The DH was still 4 draw ahead of me (14 vs 6 cards left in deck, minus my 4 added cthun).
Why in the fuck does DH have that much draw. It’s just a mashed up version of Hunter and rogue but the added twist is that it has neither of their drawbacks.
Just lost twice in a row to that bullshit life steal insta kill
Worst part is that I’m playing plot twist c’thun lock, I was able to complete my quest to draw 20 cards at 9 mana by twisting once. The DH was still 4 draw ahead of me (14 vs 6 cards left in deck, minus my 4 added cthun).
Why in the fuck does DH have that much draw. It’s just a mashed up version of Hunter and rogue but the added twist is that it has neither of their drawbacks.
The drawback to Lifesteal DH is that it's really not that good of a deck. It just feels shitty to play against when it does have the answers because getting killed from full health by an empty board always feels bad.
I do not like the current BG meta. it is so insanely polarized; even builds I would have thought were high-rolly last meta have been losing MMR for me, and it's just weird and unpredictable.
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I checked out the HSReplay BG hero charts for the first time in a while, and man the data is confusing. Only 6 heroes are above the "average" placement rate of 4.5. And then the other 48 or so heroes are at or below 4.5. Weird.
I know the ladder is always bottom heavy since the shit heroes are typically played far less and thus weighting the average less, but this is about the most lopsided it's ever looked, especially given that the high end isn't being terrorized by mega OP heroes like OG Rag or Jandice.
Like I thought I was doing really well. Had 2 mumma bears a goldrin, ironhide, baron. Decent enough comp. I match Elise who has golden rag, golden garr and an amalgadon and just crushes me. This was like turn 10? After second card but before 3rd anyway. 7th.
Normally I’d say that’s an outlier but it happens so often. I was definitely not the 7th strongest person in that lobby.
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I checked out the HSReplay BG hero charts for the first time in a while, and man the data is confusing. Only 6 heroes are above the "average" placement rate of 4.5. And then the other 48 or so heroes are at or below 4.5. Weird.
I know the ladder is always bottom heavy since the shit heroes are typically played far less and thus weighting the average less, but this is about the most lopsided it's ever looked, especially given that the high end isn't being terrorized by mega OP heroes like OG Rag or Jandice.
The heroes have quite a bit of balance between them. However how is great az second. I never use them.
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I checked out the HSReplay BG hero charts for the first time in a while, and man the data is confusing. Only 6 heroes are above the "average" placement rate of 4.5. And then the other 48 or so heroes are at or below 4.5. Weird.
I know the ladder is always bottom heavy since the shit heroes are typically played far less and thus weighting the average less, but this is about the most lopsided it's ever looked, especially given that the high end isn't being terrorized by mega OP heroes like OG Rag or Jandice.
The heroes have quite a bit of balance between them. However how is great az second. I never use them.
Look at the post before yours. Kafka would have placed top4 if they had an iceblock. That's like 70% of akamzaraks success
The meta is very high rolly, akamzarak gives you the chance to play greedy af or hedges against the 1-2 players who outgreed you.
I checked out the HSReplay BG hero charts for the first time in a while, and man the data is confusing. Only 6 heroes are above the "average" placement rate of 4.5. And then the other 48 or so heroes are at or below 4.5. Weird.
I know the ladder is always bottom heavy since the shit heroes are typically played far less and thus weighting the average less, but this is about the most lopsided it's ever looked, especially given that the high end isn't being terrorized by mega OP heroes like OG Rag or Jandice.
The heroes have quite a bit of balance between them. However how is great az second. I never use them.
Look at the post before yours. Kafka would have placed top4 if they had an iceblock. That's like 70% of akamzaraks success
The meta is very high rolly, akamzarak gives you the chance to play greedy af or hedges against the 1-2 players who outgreed you.
it's entirely ice block, yes
the new addition of competitive spirit and overall reduction of his HP to 1 gold does actually help his early game out, too.
but late-game it's all splitting image value and, primarily, ice block.
I do not like the current BG meta. it is so insanely polarized; even builds I would have thought were high-rolly last meta have been losing MMR for me, and it's just weird and unpredictable.
A lot of heroes can tier up quickly without getting hugely punished, making for much more dmg in midgame than before. So I lean into the highroll madness and play riskier than before. It’s often worth tanking a marginal loss to get a potential power spike the next turn rather than avoiding an early loss only to take 30 dmg to a highroll.
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Trolden has a new BG special, which as a whole isn't that great/funny, but the very last clip is 100% my jam.
Edit: Also, it is ridiculous how many distinct, strong decks Paladin has now. I guess that's what happens when a class manages to dodge every nerf patch for over a year (and even get a couple buffs along the way).
Edit: Also, it is ridiculous how many distinct, strong decks Paladin has now. I guess that's what happens when a class manages to dodge every nerf patch for over a year (and even get a couple buffs along the way).
Cheese Paladin will probably eat a nerf of some kind. I have no idea what part of that deck they nerf though since it has so many niche synergies.
Greybough is a very strong tempo hero but seems to lead people into builds that fall off hard in the later game
Yeah, his placement curve is very Deathwing like, as I expected (but overall better), and I imagine his preferred play pattern is somewhat similar: load up on deathrattle spawners/reborn minions (no extra value from Divine Shields like Deathwing gets, of course) to carry you through the early and mid game and hope you stumble into some sort of late game scaling comp before your hero power drops off too much. Decent for a top 4 but bad for getting 1st. So no surprise there.
Tickatus landing subpar was maybe a bit of a surprise. I definitely didn't expect him to be great, but as strong as getting good Darkmoon cards can be, apparently getting double Darkmoon cards just doesn't compete with having a decent hero power.
I think what I will be most glad about when the Darkmoon cards event finally ends is not having all the extra animations wasting lobby time.
Edit: Also, it is ridiculous how many distinct, strong decks Paladin has now. I guess that's what happens when a class manages to dodge every nerf patch for over a year (and even get a couple buffs along the way).
Cheese Paladin will probably eat a nerf of some kind. I have no idea what part of that deck they nerf though since it has so many niche synergies.
I'm assuming you're talking about the "Ramp Paladin" deck? Remove Nozdormu 2.0 from the game the way they should have a year ago. :P
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I think you just take Tip the Scales behind the shed and that deck's consistency drops way down, which should happen anyway because Tip the Scales is a degenerate effect.
I'm sure it's good, but is it dominating to the point where it seems like it needs a nerf yet? I don't think I've personally encountered it yet, but my sample size is very low.
It seems too consistent for how strong the high rolls are. Next VS is Sunday though, so we'll have a real answer then.
It's also braindead. Way too much reward for little investment or thinking. Like, I'm over here doing tons of mental math about setting up my OTK and his decision tree equals "play legendary and random spell, probably win game."
So you're saying I should use it to do my dad legend push before the reset? I wonder if I have all the legendaries it uses. If I don't have Nozdormu I probably won't bother since it rotates soon anyway.
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so this is weird, i was probably set to crush this lobby but it disconnected me on my last turn going from recruit to fight and now whenever i load the game i get this screen
no idea if i won or not and i can't do anything else
(e: yes my internet is fine)
ee: hovering over elise shows her at 0 hp??
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I also like Aggro Rogue, but I don't think that's really their take.
Let’s proceed with the first deck we can comfortably conclude is overrated. Aggro Rogue might have gotten stronger with Nitroboost Poison, but it’s far from a dominant deck. In fact, Whirlkick Miracle Rogue continues to display the best performance within the class, and is the only Rogue deck nestled in Tier 1 at top legend (where the meta is most advanced). Taking future meta trends into consideration, Aggro Rogue is likely to grow weaker and drop off. The play rates of these decks aren’t close to matching how good they actually are.
I also like Aggro Rogue, but I don't think that's really their take.
Let’s proceed with the first deck we can comfortably conclude is overrated. Aggro Rogue might have gotten stronger with Nitroboost Poison, but it’s far from a dominant deck. In fact, Whirlkick Miracle Rogue continues to display the best performance within the class, and is the only Rogue deck nestled in Tier 1 at top legend (where the meta is most advanced). Taking future meta trends into consideration, Aggro Rogue is likely to grow weaker and drop off. The play rates of these decks aren’t close to matching how good they actually are.
I took some form of Aggro Rogue for a spin last night and wasn't really impressed, but it could just be my penchant for running into counter decks hitting their best openers possible. It got smoked by nut draw token Druid and nut draw Libroom(?) Paladin.
“ Cheese Paladin is not just a cute little meme. It’s an astonishingly dominant deck with a ridiculous matchup spread that currently displays almost no weaknesses whatsoever. We do expect that the meta will aggressively respond to it as it spikes in popularity. Some of its matchups will worsen, and some soft counters might be established, but we’re not sure whether there is an effective enough response to keep Cheese Paladin out of the top tier. At first glance, Cheese Paladin looks scarier than Evolve Shaman. It’s kind of ridiculous.”
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Cheese Paladin just so consistently pops off on turns 4-5 and then kills you two turns later, I'm honestly not sure what would break its back.
Cheese Paladin just so consistently pops off on turns 4-5 and then kills you two turns later, I'm honestly not sure what would break its back.
Make the legendary only tutor for targetable effects. It will be stronger for buff paladin decks but prevents degeneracy. Alternately, have a mana cost limit (same or lesser cost as the spell burst trigger).
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i made the meme paladin deck and its absolutely hilarious
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Cheese Paladin just so consistently pops off on turns 4-5 and then kills you two turns later, I'm honestly not sure what would break its back.
Make the legendary only tutor for targetable effects. It will be stronger for buff paladin decks but prevents degeneracy. Alternately, have a mana cost limit (same or lesser cost as the spell burst trigger).
Oh, nerfs, sure, I mean from a counter/tech perspective.
I checked and I don't have Nozdormu. I don't want to craft it since when the nerf hits, it's probably not going to be to that card and it'll be 1600 down the toilet.
I need to make my push for dad legend today. Looks like my next best bet is Token Druid? Anyone have any recommendations on which list to run?
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I would honestly just run with aggro rogue it's far cheaper and games tend to be a lot quicker
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Just lost twice in a row to that bullshit life steal insta kill
Worst part is that I’m playing plot twist c’thun lock, I was able to complete my quest to draw 20 cards at 9 mana by twisting once. The DH was still 4 draw ahead of me (14 vs 6 cards left in deck, minus my 4 added cthun).
Why in the fuck does DH have that much draw. It’s just a mashed up version of Hunter and rogue but the added twist is that it has neither of their drawbacks.
i was literally just trying to fuck around while i was alt-tabbed and i just, i won
I know the ladder is always bottom heavy since the shit heroes are typically played far less and thus weighting the average less, but this is about the most lopsided it's ever looked, especially given that the high end isn't being terrorized by mega OP heroes like OG Rag or Jandice.
Like I thought I was doing really well. Had 2 mumma bears a goldrin, ironhide, baron. Decent enough comp. I match Elise who has golden rag, golden garr and an amalgadon and just crushes me. This was like turn 10? After second card but before 3rd anyway. 7th.
Normally I’d say that’s an outlier but it happens so often. I was definitely not the 7th strongest person in that lobby.
Origin: KafkaAU B-Net: Kafka#1778
Look at the post before yours. Kafka would have placed top4 if they had an iceblock. That's like 70% of akamzaraks success
The meta is very high rolly, akamzarak gives you the chance to play greedy af or hedges against the 1-2 players who outgreed you.
it's entirely ice block, yes
the new addition of competitive spirit and overall reduction of his HP to 1 gold does actually help his early game out, too.
but late-game it's all splitting image value and, primarily, ice block.
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A lot of heroes can tier up quickly without getting hugely punished, making for much more dmg in midgame than before. So I lean into the highroll madness and play riskier than before. It’s often worth tanking a marginal loss to get a potential power spike the next turn rather than avoiding an early loss only to take 30 dmg to a highroll.
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Edit: Also, it is ridiculous how many distinct, strong decks Paladin has now. I guess that's what happens when a class manages to dodge every nerf patch for over a year (and even get a couple buffs along the way).
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Cheese Paladin will probably eat a nerf of some kind. I have no idea what part of that deck they nerf though since it has so many niche synergies.
Tickatus landing subpar was maybe a bit of a surprise. I definitely didn't expect him to be great, but as strong as getting good Darkmoon cards can be, apparently getting double Darkmoon cards just doesn't compete with having a decent hero power.
I think what I will be most glad about when the Darkmoon cards event finally ends is not having all the extra animations wasting lobby time.
https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/l62ijp/cheese_paladin_a_comprehensive_guide_to_the_best/
It's also braindead. Way too much reward for little investment or thinking. Like, I'm over here doing tons of mental math about setting up my OTK and his decision tree equals "play legendary and random spell, probably win game."
Ignore the fail game before that one though.
no idea if i won or not and i can't do anything else
(e: yes my internet is fine)
ee: hovering over elise shows her at 0 hp??
aggrogue has taken the top spot, as predicted
“ Cheese Paladin is not just a cute little meme. It’s an astonishingly dominant deck with a ridiculous matchup spread that currently displays almost no weaknesses whatsoever. We do expect that the meta will aggressively respond to it as it spikes in popularity. Some of its matchups will worsen, and some soft counters might be established, but we’re not sure whether there is an effective enough response to keep Cheese Paladin out of the top tier. At first glance, Cheese Paladin looks scarier than Evolve Shaman. It’s kind of ridiculous.”
Make the legendary only tutor for targetable effects. It will be stronger for buff paladin decks but prevents degeneracy. Alternately, have a mana cost limit (same or lesser cost as the spell burst trigger).
Oh, nerfs, sure, I mean from a counter/tech perspective.
I need to make my push for dad legend today. Looks like my next best bet is Token Druid? Anyone have any recommendations on which list to run?
I would honestly just run with aggro rogue it's far cheaper and games tend to be a lot quicker