I saw an interesting take on the electric car thing that I hadn't considered: what are people who only have street parking supposed to do? Especially as Seattle (and other areas) are allowing for more housing units without dedicated parking.
I'm still in favor of it, it's just an angle I hadn't thought of.
We should expect a lot of classism crap to go on involving asymmetric infrastructure development.
1000% percent. But at the same time, I don't really want them to go back on this, because we have to do fucking something.
"I will write your name in the ruin of them. I will paint you across history in the color of their blood."
I saw someone just yesterday when we were in the way to the library who was parked on the streets and had an extension cord running over to their car. It wasn't downtown though, that's more feasible when you have a house or condo or similar.
I’ll be honest I don’t know jack about Patty Murray’s record, which tells me she’s largely kept her head down and been a reliable Dem.
Unless I’m mistaken she doesn’t have a lot of national profile but for the Senate that’s not necessarily a bad thing
her record is Fine to Good, imo. for and against all the stuff you would expect a Democrat from Washington to be for and against, pretty much, with the added bonus that she voted correctly on Iraq. I've voted for her twice now and she's not given me any reason to regret it. her reputation amongst politicians and the courtier class, from what I've read about her, is that she's very serious and hardworking. it's still possible I might personally vote for someone else in the next primary, but pretty unlikely, and the two votes I've cast for her in elections proper haven't left a bad taste in my mouth.
I saw an interesting take on the electric car thing that I hadn't considered: what are people who only have street parking supposed to do? Especially as Seattle (and other areas) are allowing for more housing units without dedicated parking.
I'm still in favor of it, it's just an angle I hadn't thought of.
making EVs mandatory is a fairly regressive policy for this and other reasons. better urban and regional transit should be a higher priority, if you want to approach this from a quality of life perspective. if your bag is climate, well, all those EVs aren't gonna do a whole lot if our grid is still dependent on a bunch of dirty coal power bought from Montana.
Again yestrrday I went to their site, called the number on the bottom, selected the help with scheduling option, waited 40 minutes on the line and they scheduled it for today.
But this is Washington State we have one of the cleanest power generation structures in the world. We have two petroleum power plants making jack and squat between them and one single coal plant making 1400mw... In the entire state. We also sometimes buy power from a 228 MW plant in Montana(which is ending in 2025)... which makes our total Coal production a whopping 3% of electricity production. We do have a number of biomass power generation facilities but again, their generation is relatively low and also i don't really having a problem with burning waste for power.
Our carbon footprint in Washington State is almost entirely from two things
1) Natural Gas in the home for cooking/heating.
2) Driving
I will give you one guess which one is the higher of the two.
If there is any place in the world where encouraging electric vehicle use would be beneficial its here.
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But this is Washington State we have one of the cleanest power generation structures in the world. We have two petroleum power plants making jack and squat between them and one single coal plant making 1400mw... In the entire state. We also sometimes buy power from a 228 MW plant in Montana(which is ending in 2025)... which makes our total Coal production a whopping 3% of electricity production. We do have a number of biomass power generation facilities but again, their generation is relatively low and also i don't really having a problem with burning waste for power.
Our carbon footprint in Washington State is almost entirely from two things
1) Natural Gas in the home for cooking/heating.
2) Driving
I will give you one guess which one is the higher of the two.
If there is any place in the world where encouraging electric vehicle use would be beneficial its here.
I guess PSE partially owns the plant in Montana...
Edit: I guess I'm not sure which numbers are more accurate. I see a blog post claiming 25% of Washington as a wholes electricity is from Coal/Natural Gas, but PSE self reports as 33% coal, 31% natural gas, which is significantly worse.
I guess the blog clarifies that Seattle City Light and Tacoma Power are already at 95% clean.
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"I will write your name in the ruin of them. I will paint you across history in the color of their blood."
yeah I hope there ends up being some aggressive action building charging infra and/or we're able to snag up $$$ in federal grants (maybe easily since we're the only ones with this timeline?) cause otherwise this plan will get delayed and probably used as a right wing scare tactic for years
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I’ll be honest I don’t know jack about Patty Murray’s record, which tells me she’s largely kept her head down and been a reliable Dem.
Unless I’m mistaken she doesn’t have a lot of national profile but for the Senate that’s not necessarily a bad thing
her record is Fine to Good, imo. for and against all the stuff you would expect a Democrat from Washington to be for and against, pretty much, with the added bonus that she voted correctly on Iraq. I've voted for her twice now and she's not given me any reason to regret it. her reputation amongst politicians and the courtier class, from what I've read about her, is that she's very serious and hardworking. it's still possible I might personally vote for someone else in the next primary, but pretty unlikely, and the two votes I've cast for her in elections proper haven't left a bad taste in my mouth.
I saw an interesting take on the electric car thing that I hadn't considered: what are people who only have street parking supposed to do? Especially as Seattle (and other areas) are allowing for more housing units without dedicated parking.
I'm still in favor of it, it's just an angle I hadn't thought of.
making EVs mandatory is a fairly regressive policy for this and other reasons. better urban and regional transit should be a higher priority, if you want to approach this from a quality of life perspective. if your bag is climate, well, all those EVs aren't gonna do a whole lot if our grid is still dependent on a bunch of dirty coal power bought from Montana.
Yeah, I'd say that for Seattle (and for most cities) the right solution would be an actual mass transit system, created with the explicit goal of being the main transportation option, then heavily restricting cars. Getting even a 120V plug next to many parking spaces would be expensive, and quite frankly a move to EV vehicles doesn't solve most of the environmental issues surrounding personal transportation. (Turns out that constructing a $10k vehicle has an environmental cost, as does covering the environment in pavement.)
Currently, I don't think anyone is really willing to push for that, and with the plague, I think mass transportation is going to be on everyone's shit list for a while in general.
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I’ll be honest I don’t know jack about Patty Murray’s record, which tells me she’s largely kept her head down and been a reliable Dem.
Unless I’m mistaken she doesn’t have a lot of national profile but for the Senate that’s not necessarily a bad thing
her record is Fine to Good, imo. for and against all the stuff you would expect a Democrat from Washington to be for and against, pretty much, with the added bonus that she voted correctly on Iraq. I've voted for her twice now and she's not given me any reason to regret it. her reputation amongst politicians and the courtier class, from what I've read about her, is that she's very serious and hardworking. it's still possible I might personally vote for someone else in the next primary, but pretty unlikely, and the two votes I've cast for her in elections proper haven't left a bad taste in my mouth.
I saw an interesting take on the electric car thing that I hadn't considered: what are people who only have street parking supposed to do? Especially as Seattle (and other areas) are allowing for more housing units without dedicated parking.
I'm still in favor of it, it's just an angle I hadn't thought of.
making EVs mandatory is a fairly regressive policy for this and other reasons. better urban and regional transit should be a higher priority, if you want to approach this from a quality of life perspective. if your bag is climate, well, all those EVs aren't gonna do a whole lot if our grid is still dependent on a bunch of dirty coal power bought from Montana.
Yeah, I'd say that for Seattle (and for most cities) the right solution would be an actual mass transit system, created with the explicit goal of being the main transportation option, then heavily restricting cars. Getting even a 120V plug next to many parking spaces would be expensive, and quite frankly a move to EV vehicles doesn't solve most of the environmental issues surrounding personal transportation. (Turns out that constructing a $10k vehicle has an environmental cost, as does covering the environment in pavement.)
Currently, I don't think anyone is really willing to push for that, and with the plague, I think mass transportation is going to be on everyone's shit list for a while in general.
I mean, with the way our state tends to be liberal, but only as long as it doesn't cost them anything, mass transportation has been on the shit list for years. Other than light rail, I can't remember if I've heard that a mass transportation option was being extended, only cuts.
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King County and the rest if the I-5 corridor can do all you like to encourage electric vehicles and public transit, you’ve got the density to support both.
The rest of us don’t.
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my position on cars is that we should be working towards divesting ourselves of them entirely.
my position on cars is that we should be working towards divesting ourselves of them entirely.
EVs are not a stepping stone on that path.
With the caveat that this is just in cities. Rural to semi-rural areas do not have the density to support mass transportation, just as cities are too dense to support cars. Still, mandating EVs isn't a useful step in moving towards mass transportation inside cities. (Unless the goal is to price everyone out of individual vehicles.)
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Placing a heavy tax on cars entering Seattle/Downtown and a push towards EV's is great, but a state level ban on cars entirely is ridiculous.
"I will write your name in the ruin of them. I will paint you across history in the color of their blood."
my position on cars is that we should be working towards divesting ourselves of them entirely.
EVs are not a stepping stone on that path.
With the caveat that this is just in cities. Rural to semi-rural areas do not have the density to support mass transportation, just as cities are too dense to support cars. Still, mandating EVs isn't a useful step in moving towards mass transportation inside cities. (Unless the goal is to price everyone out of individual vehicles.)
oh, I know. sprawl needs to be addressed before cars.
King County and the rest if the I-5 corridor can do all you like to encourage electric vehicles and public transit, you’ve got the density to support both.
But this is Washington State we have one of the cleanest power generation structures in the world. We have two petroleum power plants making jack and squat between them and one single coal plant making 1400mw... In the entire state. We also sometimes buy power from a 228 MW plant in Montana(which is ending in 2025)... which makes our total Coal production a whopping 3% of electricity production. We do have a number of biomass power generation facilities but again, their generation is relatively low and also i don't really having a problem with burning waste for power.
Our carbon footprint in Washington State is almost entirely from two things
1) Natural Gas in the home for cooking/heating.
2) Driving
I will give you one guess which one is the higher of the two.
If there is any place in the world where encouraging electric vehicle use would be beneficial its here.
I want to put solar on my house and rip out all the natural gas stuff (only furnace, water heater, fireplace in our house) and buy an electric car. Subsidize the hell out of me being able to do so, please (and even increase my taxes so others can get subsidized too).
But this is Washington State we have one of the cleanest power generation structures in the world. We have two petroleum power plants making jack and squat between them and one single coal plant making 1400mw... In the entire state. We also sometimes buy power from a 228 MW plant in Montana(which is ending in 2025)... which makes our total Coal production a whopping 3% of electricity production. We do have a number of biomass power generation facilities but again, their generation is relatively low and also i don't really having a problem with burning waste for power.
Our carbon footprint in Washington State is almost entirely from two things
1) Natural Gas in the home for cooking/heating.
2) Driving
I will give you one guess which one is the higher of the two.
If there is any place in the world where encouraging electric vehicle use would be beneficial its here.
I want to put solar on my house and rip out all the natural gas stuff (only furnace, water heater, fireplace in our house) and buy an electric car. Subsidize the hell out of me being able to do so, please (and even increase my taxes so others can get subsidized too).
Subsidize the hell out of landlords doing this too so my old ass apartment can stop using a gas stove and gas radiator! And tie it to not increasing rent cause otherwise those fuckers absolutely will use it as an excuse.
Kaiser got back to me scheduled for tuesday in port orchard. Wherever the fuck that is.
Hop on a boat at Fauntelroy and you'll get over here pretty easily (or take the more scenic boat to Bremerton and drive a bit south). Both boat options are slower than just driving around, though.We had to go to south Seattle for our shots even though we're just outside PO since we couldn't find a shot anywhere near us at the time.
Kaiser got back to me scheduled for tuesday in port orchard. Wherever the fuck that is.
Hop on a boat at Fauntelroy and you'll get over here pretty easily (or take the more scenic boat to Bremerton and drive a bit south). Both boat options are slower than just driving around, though. We had to go to south Seattle for our shots even though we're just outside PO since we couldn't find a shot anywhere near us at the time.
Yeah I'm planning on driving it, its the more "consistent" route to get there. Its a 10:40 appointment, so I think I can make it there from where I live in basically 3 hours, but I'll shoot for being early all the same.
I am a little freaked out with how little information I provided to Kaiser how much confirmation info their website asked of me (addresses shared with my father, who the last person was who owned my condo before me) information age is scary.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
I saw an interesting take on the electric car thing that I hadn't considered: what are people who only have street parking supposed to do? Especially as Seattle (and other areas) are allowing for more housing units without dedicated parking.
I'm still in favor of it, it's just an angle I hadn't thought of.
Hell that issue is even happening north of Seattle too. I saw a couple of new condo/apartment blocks go up in the Shoreline area next to the 99 and I could distinctly tell there was no underground parking, nor enough space around the complex for a parking lot. It's probably going to get worse before it gets better.
We're still building them with parking here, but the issue I have in my town is there is no place for the extra traffic to go. Like literally COVID saved city planners from having to answer "What are we going to do with 400+ extra cars with no new traffic flow?"
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
It has been fun watching the Lynnwood housing market slingshot over the past year. Our house's estimated value is up 14% from when we bought it a year ago. The 3 houses in our neighborhood that went up over the past month are either sold or have pending offers. The nicest is a 1200sqft place that went for 100k over asking at 650k. The 900sqft house on a 15,0000 sqft lot is pending for 500k and the extremely dated foreclosure looks to be selling for around 550k.
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1000% percent. But at the same time, I don't really want them to go back on this, because we have to do fucking something.
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her record is Fine to Good, imo. for and against all the stuff you would expect a Democrat from Washington to be for and against, pretty much, with the added bonus that she voted correctly on Iraq. I've voted for her twice now and she's not given me any reason to regret it. her reputation amongst politicians and the courtier class, from what I've read about her, is that she's very serious and hardworking. it's still possible I might personally vote for someone else in the next primary, but pretty unlikely, and the two votes I've cast for her in elections proper haven't left a bad taste in my mouth.
maria cantwell, on the other hand...
making EVs mandatory is a fairly regressive policy for this and other reasons. better urban and regional transit should be a higher priority, if you want to approach this from a quality of life perspective. if your bag is climate, well, all those EVs aren't gonna do a whole lot if our grid is still dependent on a bunch of dirty coal power bought from Montana.
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Again yestrrday I went to their site, called the number on the bottom, selected the help with scheduling option, waited 40 minutes on the line and they scheduled it for today.
Our carbon footprint in Washington State is almost entirely from two things
1) Natural Gas in the home for cooking/heating.
2) Driving
I will give you one guess which one is the higher of the two.
If there is any place in the world where encouraging electric vehicle use would be beneficial its here.
I guess PSE partially owns the plant in Montana...
Edit: I guess I'm not sure which numbers are more accurate. I see a blog post claiming 25% of Washington as a wholes electricity is from Coal/Natural Gas, but PSE self reports as 33% coal, 31% natural gas, which is significantly worse.
I guess the blog clarifies that Seattle City Light and Tacoma Power are already at 95% clean.
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fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
Yeah, I'd say that for Seattle (and for most cities) the right solution would be an actual mass transit system, created with the explicit goal of being the main transportation option, then heavily restricting cars. Getting even a 120V plug next to many parking spaces would be expensive, and quite frankly a move to EV vehicles doesn't solve most of the environmental issues surrounding personal transportation. (Turns out that constructing a $10k vehicle has an environmental cost, as does covering the environment in pavement.)
Currently, I don't think anyone is really willing to push for that, and with the plague, I think mass transportation is going to be on everyone's shit list for a while in general.
I mean, with the way our state tends to be liberal, but only as long as it doesn't cost them anything, mass transportation has been on the shit list for years. Other than light rail, I can't remember if I've heard that a mass transportation option was being extended, only cuts.
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EVs are not a stepping stone on that path.
With the caveat that this is just in cities. Rural to semi-rural areas do not have the density to support mass transportation, just as cities are too dense to support cars. Still, mandating EVs isn't a useful step in moving towards mass transportation inside cities. (Unless the goal is to price everyone out of individual vehicles.)
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oh, I know. sprawl needs to be addressed before cars.
more regressive taxation is not a functional solution.
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You don't need density for EVs.
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but it's all we know how to do
I want to put solar on my house and rip out all the natural gas stuff (only furnace, water heater, fireplace in our house) and buy an electric car. Subsidize the hell out of me being able to do so, please (and even increase my taxes so others can get subsidized too).
Subsidize the hell out of landlords doing this too so my old ass apartment can stop using a gas stove and gas radiator! And tie it to not increasing rent cause otherwise those fuckers absolutely will use it as an excuse.
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I'm kind of surprised they didn't stick a 2035 date on this, as that's when most manufacturers will be electric only.
Yeah, I'm sad because my house doesn't get enough sunlight for solar to provide much.
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I swear doesn't he previously owe court fees?
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The existing set were civil fines; these are prosecution costs. (Apparently because of all his frivolous filings.)
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Hop on a boat at Fauntelroy and you'll get over here pretty easily (or take the more scenic boat to Bremerton and drive a bit south). Both boat options are slower than just driving around, though.We had to go to south Seattle for our shots even though we're just outside PO since we couldn't find a shot anywhere near us at the time.
Yeah I'm planning on driving it, its the more "consistent" route to get there. Its a 10:40 appointment, so I think I can make it there from where I live in basically 3 hours, but I'll shoot for being early all the same.
I am a little freaked out with how little information I provided to Kaiser how much confirmation info their website asked of me (addresses shared with my father, who the last person was who owned my condo before me) information age is scary.
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Sit down for this one, but it appears red counties opened up schools without regard for the science. SHOCKER!
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Hell that issue is even happening north of Seattle too. I saw a couple of new condo/apartment blocks go up in the Shoreline area next to the 99 and I could distinctly tell there was no underground parking, nor enough space around the complex for a parking lot. It's probably going to get worse before it gets better.
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As of now there isn't any guidance on what requirements a qualifying private plan would need to meet.