Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
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When I went to see the spidermens movies in the 00s I had no idea who Sam Raimi was and no idea what kind of movies he made
I just wanted to see moving pictures of Spider-man!
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Yeah I mean the other side of this is also that it takes fewer than 10 seconds on your phone to find out the director of any given film.
Hmmm. I don't agree that not knowing a film's director is anything like not knowing the band that made an album? I don't think I know who directed most films I've ever seen, in fact. I don't go to see movies because I want to follow a particular director's work, I see movies because the story or sometimes the visuals seem appealing to me, vs. music where I often follow a specific band or artist's work because I liked other works they made.
Directors often get much lower billing than the lead actors as well, and share credit massively with the entire cast and crew, vs. music where the credits are the artists and maybe a short list of sound technicians and producers so it's easier to notice specific people involved.
well i mean i have a hell of a different relationship with movies here, but this feels more like a personal thing than a fundamental rule? why wouldn't you look into who made a movie you liked and see what else they made the same way you would musicians? what is the difference here? a bad movie and a bad album could tank your opinion on either, the same with one bizarre outlier, so why is one chance more copacetic than the other?
even when you factor in production differences, the general vibe and tones that both filmmakers and musicians make will stay true. and, like, i have heard a million songs on the radio i didn't know the name or band behind and looked up, so why is curiosity barred one way?
in the end, i am not going to say not knowing who made the thing you like makes you a bad person, but with how readily available that information is with very little effort? not knowing is on you no matter the medium.
I don't know why it's different, I definitely don't watch movies very much so that might be why, or it might be that I have a hard time remembering names and there's a lot of names associated with any given film compared to albums of music.
I guess it comes down to not caring about movies as much, since I pay the kind of attention you're talking about to authors, musicians and to some degree game developers, though that field has the same problem of being teams of dozens if not hundreds+1000 marketing people who also get to be in the credits, like movies do, so I struggle with that even though it's actually a big personal interest.
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Has Sebastian Stan, other than the marvel movies, ever not played a huge creepo?
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Certain movies seem to be above giving the director much credit. How often does the director of any of the three MCU Spideys get name dropped? Or Strange 1, for that matter?
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MCU movies largely file director influence off in favor of a homogenous experience, yes
Yeah, but they do mention their directors when they think it's worth selling people on. The next Thor movie is definitely being sold, at least in some respects, as a Taika Waititi movie
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Yeah, but they do mention their directors when they think it's worth selling people on. The next Thor movie is definitely being sold, at least in some respects, as a Taika Waititi movie
One of the only reasons I am interested is because it is Waititi
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Has Sebastian Stan, other than the marvel movies, ever not played a huge creepo?
The Martian? Although he does end up sleeping with a fellow crewmate, it at least seems mutual and otherwise he's clean-cut and boring enough to be put on a long term crewed mission to Mars by NASA.
I got up today and realized I haven't watched one of my favorite movies of all time, O Brother, Where Art Thou? In several years and I think I'm going to correct that.
Not knowing the director of a film you saw is like eating a food and not knwing how many calories are in a serving.
It's on the bag, man. It's right there.
But people definitely don't know.
I get it, but
it's right there, man.
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Blake TDo you have enemies then?Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered Userregular
Us, in the movie thread probably know who the director is, the average punter that just goes to all the standard tent pole movies that earns a billion dollars probably couldn’t tell you.
When you see the trailer for NOPE only say “From Jordan Peele”, it’s assuming (hopefully correctly) you know this is from the mind behind Get Out and Us
So I know that Sam Raimi is the director of the new Dr. Strange but I have no idea what that means for the movie, to be honest. Like, my entire knowledge and experience of Raimi without googling anything is:
1. He evade the first Spider-Man trilogy, which I liked as a kid but haven't seen since they each first came out
2. He did the Evil Dead movies and show, which i haven't seen
Like, I don't know what I should expect from Dr. Strange from this information. (I haven't seen it yet) I dont know what his style is, or what kind of things he would do in this movie. And that's how I am with pretty much most directors, I just don't know anything about movies so telling me who the director is doesn't really give me much.
I’d say in general people just know whoever the “frontmen” (front people?) are for a thing.
For music, this is often the band. They are in the music videos, they might be on the album cover, they are front and center in the performance.
For movies and TV this is typically the actors. There are some cases where the focus shifts, and the front person is someone like Quentin Tarantino.
For a lot of films, the director operates more in the background. Knowing the director for a lot of films is more like knowing the producer of an album. That information is out there and easy to find, and something I expect someone who is really into a genre to know because it’s important. But it’s not something I expect someone to know who likes a song because Spotify sent it their way, just like I don’t expect someone to know the director of a film because Netflix’s algorithm fed it to them.
i feel like not knowing the director of a movie before you see it is a matter of personal responsibility
This is a weird and elitist take.
I'm a huge fan of the MCU, watch the trailers and what not, and I don't really remember them mentioning Raimi much.
I wouldn't blame the average viewer not realizing it was directed by Raimi.
And even if they were, I wouldn't expect most people to know Raimi movies apart from Spider-man.
It's "weird and elitist" to say "Before spending a decent chunk of change on a movie in a theater, a cursory look at what to expect is probably a good idea?"
I don't associate "doing research before spending money" with "elitism," it's one of the main ways to survive being broke. My disposable income is finite, I can't just toss it at whatever, and not giving enough of a shit to do basic, free research on what to expect is for rich people.
Like if you're just channel surfing or picking something at random off Netflix, whatever, who cares. But putting on hard pants, going to an outside location, dropping $12+ on tickets and however much on concessions? I think that merits five minutes of cursory "Will this be worth it?" research.
Film sets seem insane, like a bunch of people racing against a clock to manage all the chaos enough to leave themselves with the puzzle pieces needed to eventually construct something coherent. If I like a movie and want to know who was creatively responsible for the things I am responding to, it's not always easy to sort that out. It feels like a director can make anything between none to all of the big creative decisions, starting with a script from a writer and potentially ending with a producer putting their foot down.
Even if I recognize a consistent style from a director, is that because of that one person or is it because they tend to bring along the same team of people? By the time you're learning the names of cinematographers, you're in a pretty deep nerd-hole. I mean, Blank Check can take even a forgettable movie and spend three hours dissecting it, and still feel like they are cutting themselves off at the end. But that's why I think the filmmaking process is interesting
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Garlic Breadi'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm aRegistered User, Disagreeableregular
i feel like not knowing the director of a movie before you see it is a matter of personal responsibility
This is a weird and elitist take.
huh?
"i didn't like dr strange because i don't like sam raimi movies"
why did you see dr strange then
"i didn't know it was a sam raimi movie"
well, you could have checked who the director was before seeing it
how is that elitist at all??? like, even if you accept that a person didn't see trailers, posters, reviews, whatever that say who the director is, how is it elitist to say "you could have looked up information on the thing you were spending money and time on before you did either"??
Film sets seem insane, like a bunch of people racing against a clock to manage all the chaos enough to leave themselves with the puzzle pieces needed to eventually construct something coherent. If I like a movie and want to know who was creatively responsible for the things I am responding to, it's not always easy to sort that out. It feels like a director can make anything between none to all of the big creative decisions, starting with a script from a writer and potentially ending with a producer putting their foot down.
Even if I recognize a consistent style from a director, is that because of that one person or is it because they tend to bring along the same team of people? By the time you're learning the names of cinematographers, you're in a pretty deep nerd-hole. I mean, Blank Check can take even a forgettable movie and spend three hours dissecting it, and still feel like they are cutting themselves off at the end. But that's why I think the filmmaking process is interesting
I mean heck, look at the outcome of Peter Jackson + LOTR vs Peter Jackson + The Hobbit
Film sets seem insane, like a bunch of people racing against a clock to manage all the chaos enough to leave themselves with the puzzle pieces needed to eventually construct something coherent. If I like a movie and want to know who was creatively responsible for the things I am responding to, it's not always easy to sort that out. It feels like a director can make anything between none to all of the big creative decisions, starting with a script from a writer and potentially ending with a producer putting their foot down.
Even if I recognize a consistent style from a director, is that because of that one person or is it because they tend to bring along the same team of people? By the time you're learning the names of cinematographers, you're in a pretty deep nerd-hole. I mean, Blank Check can take even a forgettable movie and spend three hours dissecting it, and still feel like they are cutting themselves off at the end. But that's why I think the filmmaking process is interesting
I mean heck, look at the outcome of Peter Jackson + LOTR vs Peter Jackson + The Hobbit
He didn't want to direct the Hobbit movies though. And they didn't have the years of preproduction and care put into them.
Film sets seem insane, like a bunch of people racing against a clock to manage all the chaos enough to leave themselves with the puzzle pieces needed to eventually construct something coherent. If I like a movie and want to know who was creatively responsible for the things I am responding to, it's not always easy to sort that out. It feels like a director can make anything between none to all of the big creative decisions, starting with a script from a writer and potentially ending with a producer putting their foot down.
Even if I recognize a consistent style from a director, is that because of that one person or is it because they tend to bring along the same team of people? By the time you're learning the names of cinematographers, you're in a pretty deep nerd-hole. I mean, Blank Check can take even a forgettable movie and spend three hours dissecting it, and still feel like they are cutting themselves off at the end. But that's why I think the filmmaking process is interesting
I mean heck, look at the outcome of Peter Jackson + LOTR vs Peter Jackson + The Hobbit
He didn't want to direct the Hobbit movies though. And they didn't have the years of preproduction and care put into them.
Yes, which is to the overall point that a lot of things go into the outcome of a movie, beyond a director (or an actor’s) name being on something.
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Garlic Breadi'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm aRegistered User, Disagreeableregular
i feel like not knowing the director of a movie before you see it is a matter of personal responsibility
This is a weird and elitist take.
huh?
"i didn't like dr strange because i don't like sam raimi movies"
why did you see dr strange then
"i didn't know it was a sam raimi movie"
well, you could have checked who the director was before seeing it
how is that elitist at all??? like, even if you accept that a person didn't see trailers, posters, reviews, whatever that say who the director is, how is it elitist to say "you could have looked up information on the thing you were spending money and time on before you did either"??
i feel like maybe tlb's response was taken like "you should know the chef and where all the ingredients are sourced from before ordering at a restaurant"
and it was more "why would you order a blt if you don't like tomato" 'cause i didn't read the description' "okay that's on you though"
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Garlic Breadi'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm aRegistered User, Disagreeableregular
As something that might be a bit fun, as someone who is not that into movies (I read this thread to help keep up with movies that I might otherwise miss, because I am not that into movies).
So, here are the last movies I have seen, if I know the director, and why I saw it.
The Northman - Director, no idea - saw it because I play viking miniature wargames and the dude was buff, and the trailer had cool style
Everything Everywhere All at a Once - Director, no idea - saw it because three folks at my Jiu Jitsu club were super pumped about it.
Good Will Hunting - Director, no idea - saw it because one of my coworkers always harassed me to see it because “the movie is totally about you”
That movie where Kylo Ren thinks he is Don Quixote that I can’t remember the name of - Director, no idea - saw it because I was bored and like Don Quixote
The Last Duel - Director, Ridley Scott - saw it because it’s about historical duels, which I like, and because even though Ridley Scott kinda sucks these days The Duellists was rad. But not surprisingly modern Ridley Scott and Matt Damon and Ben Affleck is no old Ridley Scott, Keith Carradine and Harvey Keitel.
i think this veered a little off what i was initially saying. i am not saying anyone will or should know who made all the movies they like. or any media for that manner. that would be a pretty ludicrous ask.
but, if something so simple as a director would be a dealbreaker to you? and you know that dealbreaker ahead of time? with how readily available that information is? that is on you, the viewer before heading out.
there is a certain line where no piece of media, or really any product, has to continue to facilitate passivity. ya gotta bring something to the table.
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Back in my dominoes days a lady called up and order a meatlovers pizza, here meatlovers comes with barbecue sauce and due to this, it’s called barbecue meatlovers. So I took the call for the pizza and I delivered it (she was American and they usually tip more than people here, so I jumped on that, turns out I don’t think she did tip me), and I got to talk to her when she complained about her pizza having barbecue sauce because she wanted tomato. I said yes, it does have barbecue sauce on it, that’s why it’s called barbecue meat lovers. You could then hear her pause as she realised that this is all her fault. She then told me, barbecue sauce on pizza is a stupid Australian thing and hung up on me.
I don’t think she would be the person to check who directs movies.
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Again, no judgments on anyone as people or anything, but I am extremely surprised that so many people here of all places just don’t have much interest in who makes the movies they like/hate. Like, I’m seriously fascinated by it because I just can’t imagine not wanting to know who is behind creating a piece of art that I like.
Like, yes, there’s a perfectly reasonable argument that there are a lot of other people who are factors, but in the majority of cases I feel like the director has the biggest impact by far, outside of a few long running franchises that are basically run by their stars (Mission Impossible, Fast & Furious, etc), but even those have noticeable changes as directors swap in and out.
At the end of the day, it’s not a perfect predictor of what you’re going to get, but knowing if a movie you’re about to see was directed by, say, Sam Raimi, or James Gunn, or Greta Gerwig, or Michel Gondry, or Christopher Nolan, or Lana Wachowski, or Wes Anderson, or Michael Bay, or David Fincher, or Tim Burton is going to go a long way towards telling you what kind of movie to expect.
Maybe the album/band analogy isn’t perfect, but it’s definitely the closest to the way I feel about it. I wanna know who wrote and directed things. I want to know who to look out for in the future, or what back catalogs I should take a deep dive into.
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I just wanted to see moving pictures of Spider-man!
I don't know why it's different, I definitely don't watch movies very much so that might be why, or it might be that I have a hard time remembering names and there's a lot of names associated with any given film compared to albums of music.
Oh yeah and the lens flare guy. Abrams. Don't like him either.
I think people may be less likely to mention a director if they're not familiar with their previous work.
Has Sebastian Stan, other than the marvel movies, ever not played a huge creepo?
One of the only reasons I am interested is because it is Waititi
The Martian? Although he does end up sleeping with a fellow crewmate, it at least seems mutual and otherwise he's clean-cut and boring enough to be put on a long term crewed mission to Mars by NASA.
I think that might be the only one, though.
Tommy Lee in Pam & Tommy, Tonya Harding's husband in I, Tonya. Armie Hammer in Fresh.
It's on the bag, man. It's right there.
But people definitely don't know.
I get it, but
it's right there, man.
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1. He evade the first Spider-Man trilogy, which I liked as a kid but haven't seen since they each first came out
2. He did the Evil Dead movies and show, which i haven't seen
Like, I don't know what I should expect from Dr. Strange from this information. (I haven't seen it yet) I dont know what his style is, or what kind of things he would do in this movie. And that's how I am with pretty much most directors, I just don't know anything about movies so telling me who the director is doesn't really give me much.
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It just isn't something I consider when I think about what to watch
For music, this is often the band. They are in the music videos, they might be on the album cover, they are front and center in the performance.
For movies and TV this is typically the actors. There are some cases where the focus shifts, and the front person is someone like Quentin Tarantino.
For a lot of films, the director operates more in the background. Knowing the director for a lot of films is more like knowing the producer of an album. That information is out there and easy to find, and something I expect someone who is really into a genre to know because it’s important. But it’s not something I expect someone to know who likes a song because Spotify sent it their way, just like I don’t expect someone to know the director of a film because Netflix’s algorithm fed it to them.
Writers suck
It's "weird and elitist" to say "Before spending a decent chunk of change on a movie in a theater, a cursory look at what to expect is probably a good idea?"
I don't associate "doing research before spending money" with "elitism," it's one of the main ways to survive being broke. My disposable income is finite, I can't just toss it at whatever, and not giving enough of a shit to do basic, free research on what to expect is for rich people.
Like if you're just channel surfing or picking something at random off Netflix, whatever, who cares. But putting on hard pants, going to an outside location, dropping $12+ on tickets and however much on concessions? I think that merits five minutes of cursory "Will this be worth it?" research.
Even if I recognize a consistent style from a director, is that because of that one person or is it because they tend to bring along the same team of people? By the time you're learning the names of cinematographers, you're in a pretty deep nerd-hole. I mean, Blank Check can take even a forgettable movie and spend three hours dissecting it, and still feel like they are cutting themselves off at the end. But that's why I think the filmmaking process is interesting
huh?
"i didn't like dr strange because i don't like sam raimi movies"
why did you see dr strange then
"i didn't know it was a sam raimi movie"
well, you could have checked who the director was before seeing it
how is that elitist at all??? like, even if you accept that a person didn't see trailers, posters, reviews, whatever that say who the director is, how is it elitist to say "you could have looked up information on the thing you were spending money and time on before you did either"??
I mean heck, look at the outcome of Peter Jackson + LOTR vs Peter Jackson + The Hobbit
He didn't want to direct the Hobbit movies though. And they didn't have the years of preproduction and care put into them.
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Yes, which is to the overall point that a lot of things go into the outcome of a movie, beyond a director (or an actor’s) name being on something.
i feel like maybe tlb's response was taken like "you should know the chef and where all the ingredients are sourced from before ordering at a restaurant"
and it was more "why would you order a blt if you don't like tomato" 'cause i didn't read the description' "okay that's on you though"
So, here are the last movies I have seen, if I know the director, and why I saw it.
The Northman - Director, no idea - saw it because I play viking miniature wargames and the dude was buff, and the trailer had cool style
Everything Everywhere All at a Once - Director, no idea - saw it because three folks at my Jiu Jitsu club were super pumped about it.
Good Will Hunting - Director, no idea - saw it because one of my coworkers always harassed me to see it because “the movie is totally about you”
That movie where Kylo Ren thinks he is Don Quixote that I can’t remember the name of - Director, no idea - saw it because I was bored and like Don Quixote
The Last Duel - Director, Ridley Scott - saw it because it’s about historical duels, which I like, and because even though Ridley Scott kinda sucks these days The Duellists was rad. But not surprisingly modern Ridley Scott and Matt Damon and Ben Affleck is no old Ridley Scott, Keith Carradine and Harvey Keitel.
but, if something so simple as a director would be a dealbreaker to you? and you know that dealbreaker ahead of time? with how readily available that information is? that is on you, the viewer before heading out.
there is a certain line where no piece of media, or really any product, has to continue to facilitate passivity. ya gotta bring something to the table.
I don’t think she would be the person to check who directs movies.
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Like, yes, there’s a perfectly reasonable argument that there are a lot of other people who are factors, but in the majority of cases I feel like the director has the biggest impact by far, outside of a few long running franchises that are basically run by their stars (Mission Impossible, Fast & Furious, etc), but even those have noticeable changes as directors swap in and out.
At the end of the day, it’s not a perfect predictor of what you’re going to get, but knowing if a movie you’re about to see was directed by, say, Sam Raimi, or James Gunn, or Greta Gerwig, or Michel Gondry, or Christopher Nolan, or Lana Wachowski, or Wes Anderson, or Michael Bay, or David Fincher, or Tim Burton is going to go a long way towards telling you what kind of movie to expect.
Maybe the album/band analogy isn’t perfect, but it’s definitely the closest to the way I feel about it. I wanna know who wrote and directed things. I want to know who to look out for in the future, or what back catalogs I should take a deep dive into.