I'm so glad they dropped that immediately after Gordon realized what was going on. I was dreading having an entire episode dealing with it.
I think aside from the whole Gordon little sister thing, it was mostly there to reinforce Grayson as the mother/mentor figure.
Also to set up that Moclans can find opposite-sex humans attractive, preparatory to the Grayson/Bortus romance that feels like they were leading into during the rescue mission (and the inevitable Bortus/Grayson/Klyden love-triangle).
They established that last season, with the Moclan weapons specialist who went on a date with whichever Xeleyan they had at that point and then faked his death and tried to frame Klyden.
I like that they went off on their own to save Topa. No time to lose. Really, those two characters and the security chief are the heavy hitters on the show.
I like that they went off on their own to save Topa. No time to lose. Really, those two characters and the security chief are the heavy hitters on the show.
Well. They had a pickle jar that absolutely needed to be opened. You just don't leave the pickle jar alone when it's
I like that they went off on their own to save Topa. No time to lose. Really, those two characters and the security chief are the heavy hitters on the show.
Well. They had a pickle jar that absolutely needed to be opened. You just don't leave the pickle jar alone when it's
the kidnapping of your daughter/protégé.
What I'm saying is, fuck that pickle jar.
Also, Grayson knew how to hack the shuttle to get it to run. She is a tough cookie.
I'm so glad they dropped that immediately after Gordon realized what was going on. I was dreading having an entire episode dealing with it.
I think aside from the whole Gordon little sister thing, it was mostly there to reinforce Grayson as the mother/mentor figure.
I'm glad they dropped it too, but I'd have preferred they either immediately have resolved it (or at least before she went on the away mission) or never brought it up.
It just felt like one of those loose threads, that someone forgot about during the writing process. "Oh, we gotta pull the C plot", and removed the conclusion, but left the setup to it in the script. Could have made a big brother storyline without the romantic part.
Definitely don't want this being a long term thing, just because it's squicky as fuck, especially given she's what, two years old? That might be getting mature by Moclan standards, but Malloy knows how old she is. It was the same feeling I had for the Paris/Kes>Harry/Linnis relationship. Maybe that's small-minded of me, but I'm not seeing I'll move past that.
She is a kid. Gordon defused it pretty easily. Took him a while to realize what she was getting at.
I actually really enjoyed
the rest of engineering twigging to it immediately, but Gordon was in "jovial friendly guy" mode and it took awhile. Lamarr saying, "There it is" when Gordon finally got it amused me very much.
I think that scene was handled very well. Gordon called her a little sister to make her understand that their relationship was not romantic, but later felt like he was extra invested in her fate now and asked to go to the council negotiations.
She is a kid. Gordon defused it pretty easily. Took him a while to realize what she was getting at.
I actually really enjoyed the rest of engineering twigging to it immediately, but Gordon was in "jovial friendly guy" mode and it took awhile. Lamarr saying, "There it is" when Gordon finally got it amused me very much.
I think that scene was handled very well. Gordon called her a little sister to make her understand that their relationship was not romantic, but later felt like he was extra invested in her fate now and asked to go to the council negotiations.
Spoilers?
Also,
I feel like Gordan going to the council was just a setup so that Mercer didn't have to take the fall. In fact, McFarlane has talked about how he's wanted to be written on before so he can focus on directing and producing more. I think this was another attempt at that which was diverted for whatever reason.
You can also see it in how Grayson has talked about wanting to be a Captain, like her father. She's being groomed as his replacement at some point. I really like how you can feel Grayson's military upbringing in how she bonds with the rest of the crew.
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If I had one gripe overall
it's that Kelly ordered Bortus off of the torturer. I would've tossed Bortus a meaningful look, said "2 minutes", and then shuffled the daughter far enough away to not hear what happens as the followup. And then made a point of not looking at the bag Bortus came back with that clearly contained a head.
Because yeah, I get that they probably stunned the soldiers on their way in because maybe all those guys didn't know what was up, but a career torture guy? Torturing children? And you know for a fact he'll do it to somebody else if you let him live? Nah, that guy is going to be thoroughly dead in a short time. Haul that fucker's head back to the council mounted on that torture stick and toss it to Moclan reps to very pointedly express displeasure as a citizen. That seems like a message that would get through even to Moclans.
it's that Kelly ordered Bortus off of the torturer. I would've tossed Bortus a meaningful look, said "2 minutes", and then shuffled the daughter far enough away to not hear what happens as the followup. And then made a point of not looking at the bag Bortus came back with that clearly contained a head.
Because yeah, I get that they probably stunned the soldiers on their way in because maybe all those guys didn't know what was up, but a career torture guy? Torturing children? And you know for a fact he'll do it to somebody else if you let him live? Nah, that guy is going to be thoroughly dead in a short time. Haul that fucker's head back to the council mounted on that torture stick and toss it to Moclan reps to very pointedly express displeasure as a citizen. That seems like a message that would get through even to Moclans.
Based on the time travel episode we know that Grayson, like Mercer, is sometimes very serious about Union regulations and can remember that even in emotionally-charged situations. Given the already extremely sensitive nature of Union-Moclan relations and that it's actively decaying, having any Moclans die during their infiltration is probably an escalation she wasn't willing to risk. Moclan forensics could presumably find that he was stunned before he died and some Moclan lawyer would point out the unnecessary use of force regardless of what the Moclan guy was guilty of.
Grayson would be an awesome captain and Mercer is the weakest part of the show by a mile so sign me the fuck up. Season 4 with Mercer out would be goated. Mercer might be a great personality for a work boss irl, but for show theatrics his demeanor is sorely lacking in some important scenes. Grayson has way more command presence.
Mercer does happy go lucky pretty well but for the very serious moments he doesn't seem to pull it off quite right. grayson does seem to handle the ranges better.
Well called the Krill/Moclan alliance, but didn't see the whole thing with the Kaylon armistice and working together coming at all, mainly because there was like zero foreshadowing on Magic Plot Weapon prior to this episode. I figured we might get at least a few episodes of sort of The Good, The Bad & The Ugly three-way staredown between the major powers for a time and then something big like this for a season finale. It's kind of insane this is only episode 9 and things moved so quickly, so I'm curious what they're planning to dive into by the end of the season that could manage to be more impactful. Like, even just Episode 8 itself could have qualified as a really good season finale.
At first I was so annoyed at how quickly and easily the weapon was stolen, thinking it was just disguised Kaylons nabbing it and Union security being worthless again. But Admiral Danson's sudden betrayal made a bit more sense in how it was able to be pulled off. A rather unceremonious exit from the show for Ted, but I guess he had a Cheers reboot to go film or something.
Good to see them get to flex the animation budget this season, very Mass Effect-y action sequences this episode. Did the Union completely abandon the idea of grenades and other cover-breakers though? Standing behind a pillar occasionally popping out to trade shots is... well, also somewhat Mass Effect-y.
I'm not sure how fond I am of the Kelly/Teleya 1v1 there towards the end of the episode, it was a flatly symbolic fight that exuded this "ex-wife vs ex-girlfriend" energy more than anything else it tried to accomplish. (good thing Talla has good control over her strength, Teleya's skull would be halfway across the planet)
And we end the episode with somber self-sacrifice of a dear friend to prove to the Kaylons that Not All Organics are bad, let's give peace another chance. (Also P.S. Yay go Democracy™ also have you heard about Democracy™?)
Quite overall not where I figured we'd end up after episode 8 but I guess things worked out well enough for now.
I'm curious where we'll go at this point, the Krill/Moclan alliance is still a thing but with Teleya effectively no longer steering the ship and Ambassador Asshole(I don't actually remember his name, I don't think this episode even calls him by it) still at large I think we may see the Moclans more aggressively leverage their hold over the alliance? Maybe get some layer of Dominion/Cardassia occupation parallels going?
(yooo are they going to draw the Mirror Universe Invasion card before we're even done with the season?!)
(yooo are they going to draw the Mirror Universe Invasion card before we're even done with the season?!)
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I hope not...
That's one Star Trek's managed to resist pulling for going on 60 years, despite the Mirror Universe being involved in 4 series over the literal entire span, plus two pretty-much-Mirror universes being made for TNG and Picard, PLUS Voyager inventing a fake one as anti-Federation alien propaganda.
They're kind of great episodes, but always hold up better on smaller scales to give the actors a chance to be comic book villains ("You think Janeway is crazy? Oh no I'll show you pansies crazy.") DS9 pushed it and I think Discovery took a dive off the cliff and they only talked about an invasion, by season 3 they slammed the door shut on it actually happening.
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First two seasons had 12 and 14 episodes, if we have that many left I assume we end with the threat discovered in the beginning of the season coming back.
It is not. There were a lot of rumors that this was the final season, but nothing has been substantiated yet. Mostly it surrounds MacFarlane's supposed desire to spend less time in front of the screen. This episode has opened up a clear path to have Mercer leave the show as a regular and still have him around though. So I guess we will see.
It is not. There were a lot of rumors that this was the final season, but nothing has been substantiated yet. Mostly it surrounds MacFarlane's supposed desire to spend less time in front of the screen. This episode has opened up a clear path to have Mercer leave the show as a regular and still have him around though. So I guess we will see.
I think the direction of the show this season has strongly pushed for making room for Kelly to take over if there is an S4. She's had a lot of the spotlight this season, and although Mercer had some moments he's tangibly felt like furniture much of the time.
Yeah I could see them promoting Ed to Admiral, and making Kelly the captain.
Thinking about that
Ep 9
I wouldn't be surprised if the vacuum left by Admiral Danson is set up to be that opportunity. Among their other exploits, having successfully ended the war and brought the Kaylons back into the fold and capturing Teleya could fast track him into that empty seat.
Kaylon Prime saw first hand that a living being sacrificed their life for them. That was a great way to end the story. That was a well written episode.
Started in on S3E1 and holy fuck this is a whole new show.
Seth got his Fox leash off and handed infinite money for effects and it just feels just so grown up now. There's been the occasional joke but they come very naturally as a result of these just being people being people. The vast majority of this is hard hitting stuff with the crew dealing with the trauma of what happened and acting their asses off going through depression, rage, loss, and doubt. Even Seth is feeling like he has a whole new profesional poise wearing that uniform. Like, hell, this is written by Seth and it really doesn't feel like it.
The runtime no longer being constrained is giving them so much room to explore and really dig in and just, wow.
This music fucking SLAPS too. Just hot fucking damn and I could hear the TOS movie era homage in the leaving space dock scene.
It is not. There were a lot of rumors that this was the final season, but nothing has been substantiated yet. Mostly it surrounds MacFarlane's supposed desire to spend less time in front of the screen. This episode has opened up a clear path to have Mercer leave the show as a regular and still have him around though. So I guess we will see.
MacFarlane and several others confirmed 3 was the last season right when it was announced, but the closer the season actually got the more they backpedaled and it's pretty clear now the door is open but nobody's holding it.
A lot has happened since season 2. It's under the Disney umbrella now, MacFarlane signed on with a different network, the three year delay between seasons, and then venue moves from Fox to Hulu and soon to D+.
With the turnaround of Star Trek and Paramount taking it full MCU (they just announced the first inter-show crossover), plus Disney struggling to do the same with Star Wars, maybe the pieces are in place.
Kaylon Prime saw first hand that a living being sacrificed their life for them. That was a great way to end the story. That was a well written episode.
We know from Isaac that the Kaylon are not the flawless arbiters of logic that they claim to be, so I'm going to say that this gesture meaning something to KP works for me
Kaylon Prime saw first hand that a living being sacrificed their life for them. That was a great way to end the story. That was a well written episode.
We know from Isaac that the Kaylon are not the flawless arbiters of logic that they claim to be, so I'm going to say that this gesture meaning something to KP works for me
the music felt very star trek and star wars depending on the moment. it was awesome! one of my nitpicks
it feels like THE WHOLE FLEET is involved in all of these battles, ships are blowing up left and right, and then next week THE WHOLE FLEET is back to what it was.
the music felt very star trek and star wars depending on the moment. it was awesome! one of my nitpicks
it feels like THE WHOLE FLEET is involved in all of these battles, ships are blowing up left and right, and then next week THE WHOLE FLEET is back to what it was.
klydon, you still make me want to punch you.
They said in the pilot they had more ships than captains. A lot of these things are getting booted out into space with like kinda smart middle managers running helm.
the music felt very star trek and star wars depending on the moment. it was awesome! one of my nitpicks
it feels like THE WHOLE FLEET is involved in all of these battles, ships are blowing up left and right, and then next week THE WHOLE FLEET is back to what it was.
klydon, you still make me want to punch you.
They said in the pilot they had more ships than captains. A lot of these things are getting booted out into space with like kinda smart middle managers running helm.
Post scarcity means that building lots of ships is easy Manpower is a different matter, but most of those ships probably don't have a full science or engineering crew and only one shift worth of operations and tactical.
Easily could have ghost fleets like the one seen on TNG in Reunification, sitting around waiting their turn (which may never come) to be crewed during peace time but being shoved out the door with whatever warm bodies show up during a crisis.
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Well. They had a pickle jar that absolutely needed to be opened. You just don't leave the pickle jar alone when it's
What I'm saying is, fuck that pickle jar.
It just felt like one of those loose threads, that someone forgot about during the writing process. "Oh, we gotta pull the C plot", and removed the conclusion, but left the setup to it in the script. Could have made a big brother storyline without the romantic part.
Definitely don't want this being a long term thing, just because it's squicky as fuck, especially given she's what, two years old? That might be getting mature by Moclan standards, but Malloy knows how old she is. It was the same feeling I had for the Paris/Kes>Harry/Linnis relationship. Maybe that's small-minded of me, but I'm not seeing I'll move past that.
I actually really enjoyed
I think that scene was handled very well. Gordon called her a little sister to make her understand that their relationship was not romantic, but later felt like he was extra invested in her fate now and asked to go to the council negotiations.
EDIT for spoiler. Sorry gang.
Spoilers?
Also,
You can also see it in how Grayson has talked about wanting to be a Captain, like her father. She's being groomed as his replacement at some point. I really like how you can feel Grayson's military upbringing in how she bonds with the rest of the crew.
Because yeah, I get that they probably stunned the soldiers on their way in because maybe all those guys didn't know what was up, but a career torture guy? Torturing children? And you know for a fact he'll do it to somebody else if you let him live? Nah, that guy is going to be thoroughly dead in a short time. Haul that fucker's head back to the council mounted on that torture stick and toss it to Moclan reps to very pointedly express displeasure as a citizen. That seems like a message that would get through even to Moclans.
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At first I was so annoyed at how quickly and easily the weapon was stolen, thinking it was just disguised Kaylons nabbing it and Union security being worthless again. But Admiral Danson's sudden betrayal made a bit more sense in how it was able to be pulled off. A rather unceremonious exit from the show for Ted, but I guess he had a Cheers reboot to go film or something.
Good to see them get to flex the animation budget this season, very Mass Effect-y action sequences this episode. Did the Union completely abandon the idea of grenades and other cover-breakers though? Standing behind a pillar occasionally popping out to trade shots is... well, also somewhat Mass Effect-y.
I'm not sure how fond I am of the Kelly/Teleya 1v1 there towards the end of the episode, it was a flatly symbolic fight that exuded this "ex-wife vs ex-girlfriend" energy more than anything else it tried to accomplish. (good thing Talla has good control over her strength, Teleya's skull would be halfway across the planet)
And we end the episode with somber self-sacrifice of a dear friend to prove to the Kaylons that Not All Organics are bad, let's give peace another chance. (Also P.S. Yay go Democracy™ also have you heard about Democracy™?)
Quite overall not where I figured we'd end up after episode 8 but I guess things worked out well enough for now.
I'm curious where we'll go at this point, the Krill/Moclan alliance is still a thing but with Teleya effectively no longer steering the ship and Ambassador Asshole(I don't actually remember his name, I don't think this episode even calls him by it) still at large I think we may see the Moclans more aggressively leverage their hold over the alliance? Maybe get some layer of Dominion/Cardassia occupation parallels going?
(yooo are they going to draw the Mirror Universe Invasion card before we're even done with the season?!)
I hope not...
They're kind of great episodes, but always hold up better on smaller scales to give the actors a chance to be comic book villains ("You think Janeway is crazy? Oh no I'll show you pansies crazy.") DS9 pushed it and I think Discovery took a dive off the cliff and they only talked about an invasion, by season 3 they slammed the door shut on it actually happening.
There may never be a more fitting use for this clip
Also those dumb not x-wings got to to do a not trench run against not Tie fighters. Bravo Seth
It was nice to see Chekov's Starfighter get used finally.
What an episode
Edit: ten episodes, this was the penultimate one.
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It is not. There were a lot of rumors that this was the final season, but nothing has been substantiated yet. Mostly it surrounds MacFarlane's supposed desire to spend less time in front of the screen. This episode has opened up a clear path to have Mercer leave the show as a regular and still have him around though. So I guess we will see.
I think the direction of the show this season has strongly pushed for making room for Kelly to take over if there is an S4. She's had a lot of the spotlight this season, and although Mercer had some moments he's tangibly felt like furniture much of the time.
Thinking about that
Ep 9
Don't pull a Cowboy Bebop on this one.
Seth got his Fox leash off and handed infinite money for effects and it just feels just so grown up now. There's been the occasional joke but they come very naturally as a result of these just being people being people. The vast majority of this is hard hitting stuff with the crew dealing with the trauma of what happened and acting their asses off going through depression, rage, loss, and doubt. Even Seth is feeling like he has a whole new profesional poise wearing that uniform. Like, hell, this is written by Seth and it really doesn't feel like it.
The runtime no longer being constrained is giving them so much room to explore and really dig in and just, wow.
This music fucking SLAPS too. Just hot fucking damn and I could hear the TOS movie era homage in the leaving space dock scene.
JFC HOW MUCH OF THAT STATION IS PRACTICAL FX
AMAZING
Edit: There's been one joke and the rest is just full tilt horror show. Holy fuck this is incredible.
MacFarlane and several others confirmed 3 was the last season right when it was announced, but the closer the season actually got the more they backpedaled and it's pretty clear now the door is open but nobody's holding it.
A lot has happened since season 2. It's under the Disney umbrella now, MacFarlane signed on with a different network, the three year delay between seasons, and then venue moves from Fox to Hulu and soon to D+.
With the turnaround of Star Trek and Paramount taking it full MCU (they just announced the first inter-show crossover), plus Disney struggling to do the same with Star Wars, maybe the pieces are in place.
It's really clear its all modular so they can reconfigure it, but yeah the long take up the stairs to a second floor was great.
We know from Isaac that the Kaylon are not the flawless arbiters of logic that they claim to be, so I'm going to say that this gesture meaning something to KP works for me
Kaylons in a nutshell:
klydon, you still make me want to punch you.
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They said in the pilot they had more ships than captains. A lot of these things are getting booted out into space with like kinda smart middle managers running helm.
Post scarcity means that building lots of ships is easy Manpower is a different matter, but most of those ships probably don't have a full science or engineering crew and only one shift worth of operations and tactical.
Easily could have ghost fleets like the one seen on TNG in Reunification, sitting around waiting their turn (which may never come) to be crewed during peace time but being shoved out the door with whatever warm bodies show up during a crisis.