He's still a dude that's been doing this for nearly 30 years now. He's basically had a front row seat to this industry since the N64 era. He's a man who's had to rebuild his career twice already now, even while that career becomes increasingly less and less secure as time has gone on.
That's too long, quite honestly. It's long enough to resent having to play games you don't like and long enough for new stuff to just have an impossibly huculean task to impress you.
Jeff is the gamer curmudgeon. That isn't going away anytime soon and he'll likely go down further that path as he gets older.
I feel that being a bit of a curmudgeon is just part of his schtick.
I think it was back in the day, but imo it's gone past that, as Knight_ said, a couple of years ago. Oh well.
No, you're right. The curmudgeoness has definitely ramped up in the, let's say, past 4-6 years. He didn't used to be that way but maybe with age, apathy, and the way things have changed so much it's just how his on screen personality has transitioned to.
Jeff is an incredible font of gaming knowledge and industry insight. He just also knows what he likes and what he doesn't, but that unfortunately runs counter to THE ALGORYTHM, which requires he plays the big releases for that sweet, sweet SEO.
EDIT: What Jeff really needs are other people who are willing to disagree with him. I feel like losing Brad, Alex and Vinny just left him with too much inertia at giant bomb for anyone to effectively counter him (still bitter about what happened with Psychonauts 2) and now that he's on his own, that's basically the only flavor you get out of him.
Yeah the thing with Jeff is that even when he's being curmudgeonly, if there's someone else there to push back a little, and acknowledge the good parts of a game, in general Jeff is willing to relent and temper his negativity a little. That's sorely missing from his solo stuff, unfortunately.
Put on Jeff Gerstmann's TotK stream while doing stuff, because while I don't want to see things I have still ahead of me, seeing how people play the beginning etc can be interesting
And man, god love him, I am again getting the negativity vibes that put me off of latter day GB.
Oh come on, his reaction to getting to the first shrine had me genuinely laughing (and stopping to focus on it again on shrine 2). He builds some fine crafts as well!
Yeah, Palmer Luckey and other such CHUDs were dancing on their grave, but Waypoint by all accounts was bringing in subscription money. Not unlike Giant Bomb under Fandom. But due to issues of management with the parent company, they all had massive layoffs.
Waypoint+ Is Now Max Plus
(OK, that isn't true. But the name is changing.)
Waypoint might be dead, but we are not.
Neither is the Subscription Business Formerly Known as Waypoint Plus. We’re in a position to continue doing our podcasts for you, using the same Memberful service that powered Waypoint Plus. Let’s talk through what that means and the changes we’re going to make. If that sounds good and you still want to support us, we’ll tell you what you have to do to make that happen.
On June 2 (aka tomorrow when this is being sent out), we’re all being laid-off from VICE and Waypoint is shutting down. There is nothing we or you can or could have done to stop that happening. I’m sad about it, grateful for the experience, and at peace with the fact that as a publication it had its time and accomplished what it did. Running a publication like that was a more-than-full-time job for the people who worked on it, and required a lot of things that only a major media company can provide (legal protection and liability being a huge component of that) even if VICE brought more than its share of issues and miscues. It is not a business that could be sustained independently through Patreon, especially when you factor in how much of it involved people behind the scenes at VICE you didn’t hear much about, and freelancers and artists who graced us with amazing work.
However, there have always been people at VICE who respected what we did, admired the community we had built, and proved to be friends and allies to us inside the company. Soon after we were laid off, a few key people in the company wanted to make sure that this thing we had built for and with our community could continue in some fashion. Our contacts at Memberful were likewise eager to help us keep it going—for obvious reasons of self-interest but also because these are folks we built a close relationship with over the past couple years.
We’d never been much interested in trying to re-create Waypoint on Patreon, for a lot of the good reasons we outlined on Waypoint Radio last month. It never made sense to spin up an entirely new project where we were so unsure of what we could commit to, and of how our own career plans might affect it. The foundations would have been built on quicksand, even if we had every confidence our community would show up and support us.
The prospect of continuing and eventually evolving Waypoint Plus was an entirely different and less scary proposition. So that is what we are going to do.
The truth is, none of us is ready to say goodbye to you, to each other, and to the work we’re doing. The Mannhunting faithful deserve better than to be abandoned. So does SHODAN, who we have barely even met in our Waypoint 101 playthrough of System Shock. How can something be Final Fantasy Tactics if we have not even started it? And frankly, how dare VICE fire us before Cado and I could be fired in Motorsport Manager?
Second, this work is fun, and making it for this community is fun. I can’t recommend being laid-off, but I will say that nothing makes you feel more valued and appreciated than reading the messages we received after our announcement. It’s not that we felt unappreciated, far from it. It’s more that we came out of that experience more appreciative of our audience and community, and the place they have reserved for us in their lives.
So is the future just Waypoint New Game Plus [hang on, let’s see if this is a trademark we can get—Patrick] more of the same? No. Like I said, everything that Waypoint was and is can’t really be sustained as an independent operation. Even if some parts of it can survive, and even if we could have taken the brand with us I don’t think it would have been honest to pretend that we were still doing the same work, pursuing the same mission. Our values are unchanged, but our capacity has, along with our needs. We have to own that. It would offend me to see someone else using the Waypoint brand to try and promote something that has nothing to do with our work, and I would offend myself if I felt like we were draping the Waypoint name over something markedly different from the outlet the gang launched in 2016 and that I joined in 2017.
At the outset, this new business is effectively just Waypoint Plus Under New Ownership. After all, a lot of folks are signed up to Waypoint Plus into next year and we’re going to give them at least a few more months of what we promised. That also gives us an easy framework that we can build within. But come the end of summer, with Ren largely moving on to pursue a career outside games media, and with the rest of us having a better idea of what our own respective futures hold, we’re going to starting figuring out what we want the future of this project to look like… and what shape our lives will let it take.
More immediately, however, a few things are changing. First, we’re going to one public-feed podcast a week (plus the odd episode of Sports). Our schedules never allowed us to play enough games or have enough overlap with each other to support four-to-six hours of games talk a week. Now our hope is that by focusing our effort on the Friday show, you’ll get a more consistently great show.
Second, a lot of folks (seriously, a lot of folks) have expressed a willingness and wish that they could have done more than just support us for $5 a month. I know how that sounds but it’s true. This is one reason why we had a truly ridiculous number of gift subscriptions floating around at the end of the last sales drive, as people began buying extras just to try and put more money in our bottom line.
As part of VICE, we never really felt comfortable asking more than $5 a month. It always felt like we were living inside a house of cards that could fall down at any moment and while every part of our business helped us keep our jobs these last couple years, beyond that we could not really say how the money worked out or where it was going.
Now that we’re outside of VICE, however, there are a lot of costs that were previously borne or subsidized by the company that now land squarely on our shoulders. We were in a situation where we had generous health and retirement benefits on top of our salaries, now that is all gone and we’re going to be taxed at a higher rate. Plus, all the infrastructure that VICE provided is now lost to us.
It turns out there are a lot of things you learn when you launch a business like this and suddenly every aspect of its operations is something you have to think about and assess. The biggest one is: online commerce is a leaky pipe. Second, operating the kind of podcast that we do is surprisingly expensive. It turns out someone has to pay for Five-Star Runtimes at Quality Bitrates, and unfortunately that person is now me. I am cursed with the knowledge of what serving multiple two- and three-hour podcasts to tens of thousands of people actually costs. And all of this is before you get to the lawyers and accountants we’ve worked with to get to this point, and will need to employ to make sure we run this business legally and responsibly.
So as Waypoint Plus staples like Mannhunting and My Turn (and I swear to God, the 101s) wind down, new premium shows will be offered at the $10 tier. To be frank, there won’t be much at this tier to start. Waypoint Plus existed entirely at the lower tier. But over time this is the tier where most of the subscriber content (aside from Sports) will live. We’ll still have some fun things for people at this tier to start out, though. Some of it will just be us on our bullshit in new and different ways, but some of it will also be trial-runs for shows and formats we might want to use in the future.
Folks with an existing annual membership will be able to do a prorated upgrade to the new tier. At this stage it would be a very valuable show of support as we get this off the ground, especially as VICE earned all the money on existing annuals. Still, as I said above, the $10 tier is more of a blank slate right now that we’re going to fill-in down the line. If folks want to see what this is going to turn into, it’ll be clearer by the fall.
Whether there is ever an editorial component to this project is hard to say. If there is, it will mostly be a small blog that serves as an outlet for us to jot down the odd thought as a labor of love and a way to keep up our habits as writers, but we’re not running an editorial publication and if we ever did, we’d probably seek to fund and operate it via other means so that we don’t end up overbooking ourselves or making it harder to find other work.
I think that covers everything. There’s a lot more I have on my mind, a lot more I want to say, but this is already way too long for the kind of pithy pitch I intended to write. So as I wrap it here, I realize, there’s just one last question we need to answer.
I wonder how Memberful payments work- they say the paid for membership will continue into this new service, but are they actually getting that ~future~ money, or did Vice already swallow it and they're relying on newcomers to keep them alive until annuals roll over? Or does Memberful take the money, but only pay it out monthly (which feels much better as far as protecting customers goes, but also a huge complexity)?
I wonder how Memberful payments work- they say the paid for membership will continue into this new service, but are they actually getting that ~future~ money, or did Vice already swallow it and they're relying on newcomers to keep them alive until annuals roll over? Or does Memberful take the money, but only pay it out monthly (which feels much better as far as protecting customers goes, but also a huge complexity)?
Vice keeps that money. Remap gets new subs/ roll overs/ and upgrades to the new 10 dollar tier.
For those in the same boat as me, where you cancelled (before they said not to right at the end) and the waypoint Memberful URL is now dead, you can access the new account here: https://remap.memberful.com
and your old sub should still be alive on it.
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Maaan, did you catch that Waypoint stream? That there were talks to acquire Giant Bomb? Can you imagine the energy of Danika, Austin, Natalie, Jeff and Vinny in one thing?
bananas
was Austin still working there during that timeframe?
Jeff and Vinny apparently each mentioned the deal separately on their own podcasts, around the time the Waypoint shutting down news broke, and both mentioned that it never really got that far and I think Jeff vaguely blamed some exec who "didn't know what the fuck he was doing"
Jeff went into a little more detail on his tumblr. He says he was told that CBS doesnt sell off things piecemeal so the talks then shifted to CBS buying Waypoint but it didnt go anywhere.
Heh, someone dug up a screenshot they took from gamefaqs back when Jeff reviewed Twilight Princess and gave it an 8.8.
I recall there even being some unpleasantness on this very forum about his score! I tried to find it, but all I could find was this thread from 2007 about Greg Kasavin leaving Gamespot and at least one user posted about how he hopes Gerstmann doesn't get promoted. Quite a walk down memory lane!
I am hoping a lot of those people grew up and feel like idiots now, but it would be unsurprising to me if many of them ended up joining the whole GamerGate thing about 7 years later. Them and some of the PA forumers in that thread I linked to as well, because boy does it get bad in there.
Jeff Grubb casually bringing up at the end that he'll be picking up the torch by scheduling a post-Xbox Showcase interview with Phil Spencer/Matt Booty
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I tweeted it at Cado too but I doubt he's seen it yet.
That's too long, quite honestly. It's long enough to resent having to play games you don't like and long enough for new stuff to just have an impossibly huculean task to impress you.
Jeff is the gamer curmudgeon. That isn't going away anytime soon and he'll likely go down further that path as he gets older.
No, you're right. The curmudgeoness has definitely ramped up in the, let's say, past 4-6 years. He didn't used to be that way but maybe with age, apathy, and the way things have changed so much it's just how his on screen personality has transitioned to.
EDIT: What Jeff really needs are other people who are willing to disagree with him. I feel like losing Brad, Alex and Vinny just left him with too much inertia at giant bomb for anyone to effectively counter him (still bitter about what happened with Psychonauts 2) and now that he's on his own, that's basically the only flavor you get out of him.
I'd rather he be a curmudgeon than fake any enthusiasm. I have the entirety of the rest of the internet for that.
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Some Giant Bombers went to Nintendo World.
Oh come on, his reaction to getting to the first shrine had me genuinely laughing (and stopping to focus on it again on shrine 2). He builds some fine crafts as well!
Welp, it's more than Waypoint.
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Vice keeps that money. Remap gets new subs/ roll overs/ and upgrades to the new 10 dollar tier.
and your old sub should still be alive on it.
was Austin still working there during that timeframe?
Now we have the added context of what Jeff meant.
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https://www.tumblr.com/jeffgerstmann/718919063821271040/vinny-mentioned-that-giant-bomb-was-in-talks-with
I recall there even being some unpleasantness on this very forum about his score! I tried to find it, but all I could find was this thread from 2007 about Greg Kasavin leaving Gamespot and at least one user posted about how he hopes Gerstmann doesn't get promoted. Quite a walk down memory lane!
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you can barely define what 8/10 versus 9/10 means, the idea that there is any functional difference between 8.8 and 8.7 is goddamn lunacy
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Jeff Grubb casually bringing up at the end that he'll be picking up the torch by scheduling a post-Xbox Showcase interview with Phil Spencer/Matt Booty