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Did they add new weapons for the jobs that weren't around last run or is this purely a rerun?
It was that somehow, from within the derelict-horror, they had learned a way to see inside an ugly, broken thing... And take away its pain.
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Interesting YoshiP letter about their processes for updating the benchmark, estimates may 23rd for when it'll be ready to release but that's tentative.
some of my friends combined grinding out the yokai stuff with getting enough copies of every atma to do all the ARR relics, it apparently takes about as long for both these days
some of my friends combined grinding out the yokai stuff with getting enough copies of every atma to do all the ARR relics, it apparently takes about as long for both these days
I really should've done that. At least I'm getting the resistance souls doing the fates in the HW locations.
Woo, got em all. Think I'm gonna start leveling up non-main jobs. I've got all the gatherers/crafters leveled (though I've never really made any money with them, lol, just there to have done it I guess). And WHM and DNC (my current main), plus Blue Mage. Got a couple classes up to like mid levels, 50-70ish. Wanna get em all at least above 50 to start.
I should figure out a good way to get some youtube or something up while I'm playing on PS5. Could put a laptop on my lap or on a TV tray or something. Right now I'm just using the spotify app on the console to listen to podcasts. Re-listening to Versus Wolves, since that's pretty much my favorite podcast ever at this point.
I did 70-75 on blu today, pretty chill when you just use ultravibration then watch youtube til it's up again.
There's an easy and fun way to level BLU in the Tempest. There's an area in the north west 'above ground' area where there are a bunch of little leech boys and another mob called something like Cilonid. If you tag a leech boy and drag it over to a cilonid it will eat it and you'll get the exp as if you killed it yourself. Note that the cilonid gets a stack of a buff and if it goes up to 3 you have a bad time.
some of my friends combined grinding out the yokai stuff with getting enough copies of every atma to do all the ARR relics, it apparently takes about as long for both these days
Nope, atmas take about 50% longer. Average of 412 fates for all Yokai weapons and 600 fates for all atmas.
some of my friends combined grinding out the yokai stuff with getting enough copies of every atma to do all the ARR relics, it apparently takes about as long for both these days
Nope, atmas take about 50% longer. Average of 412 fates for all Yokai weapons and 600 fates for all atmas.
Welp, I'm gonna be doing that in a bit I guess. Getting all my jobs up to 50 and gonna do all the relics as I go.
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Just_Bri_ThanksSeething with ragefrom a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPAregular
The Atmos aren't even the worst part. The books are worse by far. So tedious.
...and when you are done with that; take a folding
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
Assuming you're being serious and not like, sarcastic or something and I'm totally missing it:
That's like, the opposite message of Endwalker. The entire last bit is a rebuttal of that. That like, along with the anger and sadness and pain and despair that is life, which Meteion gets crushed by and can't escape and thus becomes the Endsinger, the avatar of despair, there is also joy and love and happiness and excitement and the bonds we create with those around us and that ultimately those things are what makes life worth living and preserving. You literally see that in the Endsinger fight, where your friends' love and faith and belief in you literally protect you from and allow you to defeat a literal manifestation of the concept of despair.
Idk, like, you can say the ending is overly earnest and a bit anime, but I was 100% about it, I thought it hit its message home excellently and it resonated with me.
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Assuming you're being serious and not like, sarcastic or something and I'm totally missing it:
That's like, the opposite message of Endwalker. The entire last bit is a rebuttal of that. That like, along with the anger and sadness and pain and despair that is life, which Meteion gets crushed by and can't escape and thus becomes the Endsinger, the avatar of despair, there is also joy and love and happiness and excitement and the bonds we create with those around us and that ultimately those things are what makes life worth living and preserving. You literally see that in the Endsinger fight, where your friends' love and faith and belief in you literally protect you from and allow you to defeat a literal manifestation of the concept of despair.
Idk, like, you can say the ending is overly earnest and a bit anime, but I was 100% about it, I thought it hit its message home excellently and it resonated with me.
I don't know what I'm trying to say. I guess just that it didn't really tug at me like it did so many. I couldn't get into it because it went to overboard with "fuck everything" and then "well love and friends that we make along the way conquer all!"
I still am completely confused why people like Emet-Selch. Even seeing past-future him didn't make me feel he redeemed himself.
They certainly seem better at setting things up than resolving them, which is what has me tentatively excited for dawntrail
Though I enjoyed the finale with Zenos because it was specifically ‘all this other bullshit is stupid, what would be cool is if we fought instead. Very kamen rider’
What I’m worried about is how long they’re willing to ride the ‘fun and breezy’ vibe they’ve been putting out for Dawntrail before falling back into the safe ‘you’re destined to be the chosen one’ stuff again.
The bait and switch they pulled with the scions disbanding definitely soured my confidence in their ability to be less formulaic with the story.
They certainly seem better at setting things up than resolving them, which is what has me tentatively excited for dawntrail
Though I enjoyed the finale with Zenos because it was specifically ‘all this other bullshit is stupid, what would be cool is if we fought instead. Very kamen rider’
What I’m worried about is how long they’re willing to ride the ‘fun and breezy’ vibe they’ve been putting out for Dawntrail before falling back into the safe ‘you’re destined to be the chosen one’ stuff again.
The bait and switch they pulled with the scions disbanding definitely soured my confidence in their ability to be less formulaic with the story.
I'm not bothered by the fake out of the scions disbanding because they did disband, we're just still doing adventures together after hours as it were. Also because I like the scions and wanted them to keep being present in the story so wish granted. I wouldn't have minded leaving more space for new characters though. We'll see how it goes in Dawntrail but I'm expecting the whole gang minus Y'shtola to all be back together by the end of 7.0 MSQ, since everyone showed up in Tural in the cinematic except Y'shtola.
They certainly seem better at setting things up than resolving them, which is what has me tentatively excited for dawntrail
Though I enjoyed the finale with Zenos because it was specifically ‘all this other bullshit is stupid, what would be cool is if we fought instead. Very kamen rider’
What I’m worried about is how long they’re willing to ride the ‘fun and breezy’ vibe they’ve been putting out for Dawntrail before falling back into the safe ‘you’re destined to be the chosen one’ stuff again.
The bait and switch they pulled with the scions disbanding definitely soured my confidence in their ability to be less formulaic with the story.
I'm not bothered by the fake out of the scions disbanding because they did disband, we're just still doing adventures together after hours as it were. Also because I like the scions and wanted them to keep being present in the story so wish granted. I wouldn't have minded leaving more space for new characters though. We'll see how it goes in Dawntrail but I'm expecting the whole gang minus Y'shtola to all be back together by the end of 7.0 MSQ, since everyone showed up in Tural in the cinematic except Y'shtola.
Assuming you're being serious and not like, sarcastic or something and I'm totally missing it:
That's like, the opposite message of Endwalker. The entire last bit is a rebuttal of that. That like, along with the anger and sadness and pain and despair that is life, which Meteion gets crushed by and can't escape and thus becomes the Endsinger, the avatar of despair, there is also joy and love and happiness and excitement and the bonds we create with those around us and that ultimately those things are what makes life worth living and preserving. You literally see that in the Endsinger fight, where your friends' love and faith and belief in you literally protect you from and allow you to defeat a literal manifestation of the concept of despair.
Idk, like, you can say the ending is overly earnest and a bit anime, but I was 100% about it, I thought it hit its message home excellently and it resonated with me.
I don't know what I'm trying to say. I guess just that it didn't really tug at me like it did so many. I couldn't get into it because it went to overboard with "fuck everything" and then "well love and friends that we make along the way conquer all!"
I still am completely confused why people like Emet-Selch. Even seeing past-future him didn't make me feel he redeemed himself.
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Just_Bri_ThanksSeething with ragefrom a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPAregular
I don't think the events in that expansion pack were there to redeem Emet, but rather to show how and how far the mighty had fallen.
...and when you are done with that; take a folding
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
What he and the Ascians were doing and the WoL and company are doing are two sides of the same coin. He was trying to save his world, and his people, from what was an unearned apocalypse. He turned his entire being into focusing on rejecting the notion of nihilism that lead to the Final Days.
From our prespective he was destroying the world we knew, but from his perspective he was fixing the world he knew. It was no less than what we've been doing since day one, we just feel more justified because from our perspective we're protecting what we thing is "right".
So is he.
Him helping at the end of 6.0 wasn't "friendship is magic", it was an acknowledgement that he lost. He lost his war, but he didn't lose his hope. And he accepted that the future wouldn't look like the past, but there should still be a future and that the Endsinger was wrong. Even though he might have vocalized that he'd rather destroy it all than lose, ultimately that simply wasn't true, he was just angry about all that he had lost, just like we have been throughout the story as we've lost things. His plight was purely a battle of wills against the very nature of the nihilism that was threatening everything; just because the world he wanted to save wasn't the world that we lived in doesn't mean he ever didn't care.
When it came down to it, the enemy we were actually fighting was the same one he was; it just took us proving to him, without any doubt, that we had the strength to possibly do what he couldn't (save his world, or even bring it back). So he helped, by using his powers to show that hope and struggle for existence never goes away, even when all seems lost, to show the one who actually destroyed his world that they were wrong and would always be wrong. Us fighting the Endsinger was just walking through the motions, the fight was already won; she was proven wrong already.
I like to think that, in the end, given his bit of petulance at the notion of returning and maybe someday part of him coming back, was a nod at his acceptance of the reality that the world we fought to save was the same world he was fighting to save, and that though we may be fragments of who once was, we were still parts of each other and were fighting the same battle.
I don't think the writers were trying to do any sort of real moral equivocating, I think they were just trying to be clear about how powerful the will to exist is, even in the face of utter destruction and a seemingly hopeless future. XIV has, in my view, the most justifiable series of "redemption" arcs for many of its villains. It's a trope that frequently doesn't work! And maybe for some it doesn't work here too. But for me, they do, largely (not always) an excellent job of showing that many of these people aren't just villains, but they're fighting the same fight we are, just on a different side. Every expansion has gone out of its way to make it clear that even though we may be on a different side from our adversaries, it's extremely rare that they are trying to hurt anyone or make things worse. They all thing their cause is just, and from their perspective they often are. Ishgard weren't victims of aggression from Dragons, they brought that rain down on themselves. Ala Mihgo wasn't a successful peaceful nation that was unjustly attacked by Garlemald, King Theodoric was a tyrant. The rulers of the first who pushed their Warriors to banish the Darkness and bring upon the flood of light weren't making innocent mistakes. They were drunk with power and colluded with the light. The ascians, prior to the Final Days weren't just some wise benevolent beings who were destroyed unjustly. They were callous and denying of new life that they didn't approve of, and didn't even tend to the needs of their own if their actions or emotions fell outside what was accepted.
Emet wanted to save his world and was willing to carve his way through hell to do it. It's literally what we've been doing for the last decade in XIV. Hell, Endwalker spends a good bit of time showing us the consequences of our "salvation" by making us deal with Garlemald, and how in every situation that we've encountered in the story of XIV, the people who suffer are the ones just trying to live, either by our hand or by our enemies. The only thing that is constant, throughout, that lends us a glimmer of being "right", is that what we've always fought against is the consolidation of diversity of ideas and thought and culture. Every instance of "failure" in the context of Endwalker and worlds who gave in, were those who were completely homogeneous, who had snuffed out weakness and differences and innovation. Emets biggest failing (beyond the genocide I guess ) was that he was so convinced that the world he was trying to restore was one of true perfection, that he failed to see the strength that came from not being all powerful, immortal, of one mind and process, and how the very thing he wanted to save was the thing that was the reason for its downfall. Same as so many other big bads in XIV. Just, few are able to see things with the scope he did to understand how to accept his mistake.
So if there was a redemption, that was it, just admitting that he was wrong, by helping prove us right; but ironically in doing so proved him at least partially right.
Anywhoo; if you didn't dig the story, it's all good? I mean hey, different things speak to different people. I mean, sure, my view is that Emet is one of the best villains in, well, media; but nothing is going to work for everybody.
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TDWH thank you for that. It puts things in a bit better detail.
beyond the genocide I guess
This is the part that bothered me. Players and streamers I interact with are saying, "oh man Emet was just misunderstood" and I'm like, "you guys, he is literally 'Hitler had some good ideas' guy". Their response is that I just didn't get the story.
Yeah, people have real issues dealing with the fact that just because you understand someone and realize why they do what they do doesn't mean they can still be a monster who has to be stopped.
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In case some people have forgotten just how monstrous the plan was:
The entire history of the calamities wasn't the objective. It was just the pregame to get Zodiark put back together.
They wanted to kill like 90% of all life across 14 different worlds and that was just to get their god juiced up enough to do the real plan which was allow life to flourish afterwards until there is enough to sacrifice all of it to restore what was lost in Zodiark's creation.
You could argue that Hydealyn was wrong to do what she did unilaterally but f*** sometimes you have to take a stand.
it was the Ancients lack of respect for life that made science dude depressed enough to ruin a perfectly good flock of birds and everybody's answer to that was let's just farm up some more life to extinguish!
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...and when you are done with that; take a folding
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
He is a villain, full-stop, but he's a very well-written villain. You can put yourself in his shoes and understand how someone could be pushed to a point where they become the monster he turned into. The writers were able to humanize him in a way that didn't involve absolving him of the terrible shit he did, which is a really important thing to accomplish because the real world is filled with terrible people doing things because they think they are right. Being able to connect with a character like Emet Selch can help people understand (and maybe help them deal with/interact with) real people with similar faults and the people that follow them, and maybe to avoid doing the same yourself.
They certainly seem better at setting things up than resolving them, which is what has me tentatively excited for dawntrail
Though I enjoyed the finale with Zenos because it was specifically ‘all this other bullshit is stupid, what would be cool is if we fought instead. Very kamen rider’
What I’m worried about is how long they’re willing to ride the ‘fun and breezy’ vibe they’ve been putting out for Dawntrail before falling back into the safe ‘you’re destined to be the chosen one’ stuff again.
The bait and switch they pulled with the scions disbanding definitely soured my confidence in their ability to be less formulaic with the story.
I'm not bothered by the fake out of the scions disbanding because they did disband, we're just still doing adventures together after hours as it were. Also because I like the scions and wanted them to keep being present in the story so wish granted. I wouldn't have minded leaving more space for new characters though. We'll see how it goes in Dawntrail but I'm expecting the whole gang minus Y'shtola to all be back together by the end of 7.0 MSQ, since everyone showed up in Tural in the cinematic except Y'shtola.
I'm completely fine with the scions sticking around, it was just the incongruity of treating the disbanding as this serious thing and the Ending of an Era, followed by immediately walking it back. 'Everyone goes their separate ways' can be done well even if they're not the last time those characters are present in a story, but the expedience with which they immediately got everyone back together felt like whiplash, and kind of cemented the general lack of stakes that the last couple of expansions have had where the storywriters seem to have been very insistent on constantly resetting everything back to a baseline. 'These 8 people will always be around, everyone except these 8 people will always fade into the background.' It'd have been better if either they hadn't bothered with the disbandment at all, or actually had some time between members of the group becoming relevant again, but the kind of fence-sitting that they did was in disservice of a finale.
I think that Emet was great in 5.0, and handled less and less deftly from there, when it became more and more apparent that they were simply leaning into fanservice. Writing his Elpis version as a generic tsundere was such an unfortunate dumbing down
They certainly seem better at setting things up than resolving them, which is what has me tentatively excited for dawntrail
Though I enjoyed the finale with Zenos because it was specifically ‘all this other bullshit is stupid, what would be cool is if we fought instead. Very kamen rider’
What I’m worried about is how long they’re willing to ride the ‘fun and breezy’ vibe they’ve been putting out for Dawntrail before falling back into the safe ‘you’re destined to be the chosen one’ stuff again.
The bait and switch they pulled with the scions disbanding definitely soured my confidence in their ability to be less formulaic with the story.
I'm not bothered by the fake out of the scions disbanding because they did disband, we're just still doing adventures together after hours as it were. Also because I like the scions and wanted them to keep being present in the story so wish granted. I wouldn't have minded leaving more space for new characters though. We'll see how it goes in Dawntrail but I'm expecting the whole gang minus Y'shtola to all be back together by the end of 7.0 MSQ, since everyone showed up in Tural in the cinematic except Y'shtola.
I'm completely fine with the scions sticking around, it was just the incongruity of treating the disbanding as this serious thing and the Ending of an Era, followed by immediately walking it back. 'Everyone goes their separate ways' can be done well even if they're not the last time those characters are present in a story, but the expedience with which they immediately got everyone back together felt like whiplash, and kind of cemented the general lack of stakes that the last couple of expansions have had where the storywriters seem to have been very insistent on constantly resetting everything back to a baseline. 'These 8 people will always be around, everyone except these 8 people will always fade into the background.' It'd have been better if either they hadn't bothered with the disbandment at all, or actually had some time between members of the group becoming relevant again, but the kind of fence-sitting that they did was in disservice of a finale.
I thought the walkback was fine. It literally happens in the same cutscene, it was a small gag playing with expectations a bit. The disbandment bit was more of just a "hey, this is the organization we've been in that is tied to all the shit we've been doing, we're leaving it behind and getting a fresh start." That's totally fine by me, the story arc is done and we're going to new places and doing new things with our main party.
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Interesting YoshiP letter about their processes for updating the benchmark, estimates may 23rd for when it'll be ready to release but that's tentative.
write down a checklist in notepad or something for each job (minus sage and reaper)
I really should've done that. At least I'm getting the resistance souls doing the fates in the HW locations.
There's an easy and fun way to level BLU in the Tempest. There's an area in the north west 'above ground' area where there are a bunch of little leech boys and another mob called something like Cilonid. If you tag a leech boy and drag it over to a cilonid it will eat it and you'll get the exp as if you killed it yourself. Note that the cilonid gets a stack of a buff and if it goes up to 3 you have a bad time.
Nope, atmas take about 50% longer. Average of 412 fates for all Yokai weapons and 600 fates for all atmas.
Welp, I'm gonna be doing that in a bit I guess. Getting all my jobs up to 50 and gonna do all the relics as I go.
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Just thought I'd share this, it's a criminally under viewed remix of Ifrits primal theme.
I don't know man. You guys really blew this story out of proportion. It's really just
I'm probably the asshole.
Idk, like, you can say the ending is overly earnest and a bit anime, but I was 100% about it, I thought it hit its message home excellently and it resonated with me.
Yeah,
I don't know what I'm trying to say. I guess just that it didn't really tug at me like it did so many. I couldn't get into it because it went to overboard with "fuck everything" and then "well love and friends that we make along the way conquer all!"
I still am completely confused why people like Emet-Selch. Even seeing past-future him didn't make me feel he redeemed himself.
What I’m worried about is how long they’re willing to ride the ‘fun and breezy’ vibe they’ve been putting out for Dawntrail before falling back into the safe ‘you’re destined to be the chosen one’ stuff again.
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chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
Anyway, re: Emet; he didn't need redeeming.
What he and the Ascians were doing and the WoL and company are doing are two sides of the same coin. He was trying to save his world, and his people, from what was an unearned apocalypse. He turned his entire being into focusing on rejecting the notion of nihilism that lead to the Final Days.
From our prespective he was destroying the world we knew, but from his perspective he was fixing the world he knew. It was no less than what we've been doing since day one, we just feel more justified because from our perspective we're protecting what we thing is "right".
So is he.
Him helping at the end of 6.0 wasn't "friendship is magic", it was an acknowledgement that he lost. He lost his war, but he didn't lose his hope. And he accepted that the future wouldn't look like the past, but there should still be a future and that the Endsinger was wrong. Even though he might have vocalized that he'd rather destroy it all than lose, ultimately that simply wasn't true, he was just angry about all that he had lost, just like we have been throughout the story as we've lost things. His plight was purely a battle of wills against the very nature of the nihilism that was threatening everything; just because the world he wanted to save wasn't the world that we lived in doesn't mean he ever didn't care.
When it came down to it, the enemy we were actually fighting was the same one he was; it just took us proving to him, without any doubt, that we had the strength to possibly do what he couldn't (save his world, or even bring it back). So he helped, by using his powers to show that hope and struggle for existence never goes away, even when all seems lost, to show the one who actually destroyed his world that they were wrong and would always be wrong. Us fighting the Endsinger was just walking through the motions, the fight was already won; she was proven wrong already.
I like to think that, in the end, given his bit of petulance at the notion of returning and maybe someday part of him coming back, was a nod at his acceptance of the reality that the world we fought to save was the same world he was fighting to save, and that though we may be fragments of who once was, we were still parts of each other and were fighting the same battle.
I don't think the writers were trying to do any sort of real moral equivocating, I think they were just trying to be clear about how powerful the will to exist is, even in the face of utter destruction and a seemingly hopeless future. XIV has, in my view, the most justifiable series of "redemption" arcs for many of its villains. It's a trope that frequently doesn't work! And maybe for some it doesn't work here too. But for me, they do, largely (not always) an excellent job of showing that many of these people aren't just villains, but they're fighting the same fight we are, just on a different side. Every expansion has gone out of its way to make it clear that even though we may be on a different side from our adversaries, it's extremely rare that they are trying to hurt anyone or make things worse. They all thing their cause is just, and from their perspective they often are. Ishgard weren't victims of aggression from Dragons, they brought that rain down on themselves. Ala Mihgo wasn't a successful peaceful nation that was unjustly attacked by Garlemald, King Theodoric was a tyrant. The rulers of the first who pushed their Warriors to banish the Darkness and bring upon the flood of light weren't making innocent mistakes. They were drunk with power and colluded with the light. The ascians, prior to the Final Days weren't just some wise benevolent beings who were destroyed unjustly. They were callous and denying of new life that they didn't approve of, and didn't even tend to the needs of their own if their actions or emotions fell outside what was accepted.
Emet wanted to save his world and was willing to carve his way through hell to do it. It's literally what we've been doing for the last decade in XIV. Hell, Endwalker spends a good bit of time showing us the consequences of our "salvation" by making us deal with Garlemald, and how in every situation that we've encountered in the story of XIV, the people who suffer are the ones just trying to live, either by our hand or by our enemies. The only thing that is constant, throughout, that lends us a glimmer of being "right", is that what we've always fought against is the consolidation of diversity of ideas and thought and culture. Every instance of "failure" in the context of Endwalker and worlds who gave in, were those who were completely homogeneous, who had snuffed out weakness and differences and innovation. Emets biggest failing (beyond the genocide I guess
So if there was a redemption, that was it, just admitting that he was wrong, by helping prove us right; but ironically in doing so proved him at least partially right.
Anywhoo; if you didn't dig the story, it's all good? I mean hey, different things speak to different people. I mean, sure, my view is that Emet is one of the best villains in, well, media; but nothing is going to work for everybody.
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This is the part that bothered me. Players and streamers I interact with are saying, "oh man Emet was just misunderstood" and I'm like, "you guys, he is literally 'Hitler had some good ideas' guy". Their response is that I just didn't get the story.
They wanted to kill like 90% of all life across 14 different worlds and that was just to get their god juiced up enough to do the real plan which was allow life to flourish afterwards until there is enough to sacrifice all of it to restore what was lost in Zodiark's creation.
You could argue that Hydealyn was wrong to do what she did unilaterally but f*** sometimes you have to take a stand.
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.