the only part of civil war I really liked was ben grimm being like fuck this bullshit I'm going to france
and then there was just a bad guy to fight and he was so happy that he has tears in his eyes as he beat the guy senseless
And then the French superhero lady was all "and now, breakfast!" And Ben was all "I love this place"
But yeah, the stupid gravitas around Civil War pissed me off. Oh man, Stamford was awful! Yeah? How about that time when Kang killed everyone in DC! Or when Ultron murdered the entire population of a small country! You loved the Avengers then, when they took out the baddie!
The worst thing about Civil War overall, though, is Iron Man
He actually becomes a super-villain
oh yeah, let's throw people who won't work for the government into a prison! For as long as we want! Without trial! And the prison is in a place which literally sucks the happiness out of you!
Great work there, Tony
Oh yeah and the horrible class warfare implications of the whole thing, with the pro-reg side being made up of all the superheroes from wealthy, priveliged backgrounds, and the anti-red dudes being regular guys.
the only part of civil war I really liked was ben grimm being like fuck this bullshit I'm going to france
and then there was just a bad guy to fight and he was so happy that he has tears in his eyes as he beat the guy senseless
And then the French superhero lady was all "and now, breakfast!" And Ben was all "I love this place"
But yeah, the stupid gravitas around Civil War pissed me off. Oh man, Stamford was awful! Yeah? How about that time when Kang killed everyone in DC! Or when Ultron murdered the entire population of a small country! You loved the Avengers then, when they took out the baddie!
I dunno
Stamford is, like, the least of my problems with Civil War
the public has no long-term memory when it comes to important shit. All that matters is what you have done lately. That's how it is when you are a public official, like the Avengers basically are. Ultron happened years ago man, Stamford happened right now.
Plus it doesn't help the populace of the Marvel Universe are assholes
the only part of civil war I really liked was ben grimm being like fuck this bullshit I'm going to france
and then there was just a bad guy to fight and he was so happy that he has tears in his eyes as he beat the guy senseless
And then the French superhero lady was all "and now, breakfast!" And Ben was all "I love this place"
But yeah, the stupid gravitas around Civil War pissed me off. Oh man, Stamford was awful! Yeah? How about that time when Kang killed everyone in DC! Or when Ultron murdered the entire population of a small country! You loved the Avengers then, when they took out the baddie!
I dunno
Stamford is, like, the least of my problems with Civil War
the public has no long-term memory when it comes to important shit. All that matters is what you have done lately. That's how it is when you are a public official, like the Avengers basically are. Ultron happened years ago man, Stamford happened right now.
Plus it doesn't help the populace of the Marvel Universe are assholes
Everyone in that comic was an asshole
everyone except Cap, I guess, who was legit pissed at somebody trying to arrest him because he refused to enforce a law that didn't even exist yet
oh yeah and Luke Cage who was pissed because a rich white dude came to his door when he was sitting on the sofa and told him that he worked for him now and Luke was all "yeah fuck that."
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What's really awful is that if you look at Mutant Rights as a parallel for homosexual/African-American rights, the populace of the Marvel universe are only a couple of steps more evil than the general populace of America.
Secret Invasion
Janet was among the Mighty Avengers who were fighting heroes from the Skrull ship. She was later seen with the rest of the Avengers heading to New York to confront the Skrulls. While fighting the Skrulls, the true purpose of the serum that the Skrull Hank Pym gave her was revealed. After Queen Veranke was thought to be dead, Skrull Pym pressed a button that made Jan increase in size rapidly. She realized the "new" particles Pym gave her were turning her into a bio-bomb. Jan was seen growing to huge size, emitting black-purple energy, and about to explode. Janet tried to flee the battlefield trying to take as many Skrulls with her as possible. To save the humans, Thor killed her to put her out of her misery, vowing to avenge her.
In the Siege crossover, using dimensional technology Hank Pym established a headquarters known as the Infinite Avengers Mansion in a realm called "Underspace". He soon deduced that this was the dimension to which Thor sent the dying Janet Van Dyne. He believes that Janet was transformed into a massive celestial entity, with the Mansion seemingly residing within her eye.
To be honest I think the SHRA and the Mutant Registration Act are both pretty good ideas
If you have people running around that can shoot lasers out of their eyes or create fire with their mind or throw your car 3 miles
well
you should probably keep track of them
I mean we know the superheroes are good people and won't fuck over the common man
but in-universe all the Marvel U has to go by is a promise that "hey we are never going to go evil or something" when a bunch of heroes have totally had a evil/dark period
the problem is how they went about it. Don't force them to suddenly become SHIELD Agents, don't make them give up their secret identity or if you have to, make it so that they give it up to another hero they trust that works for SHIELD or something. Don't fucking throw anyone who disagrees with the act in jail in another fucking dimension what the hell.
I mean when one side of the argument are shooting tear gas canisters at teenagers for breaking up muggings
and the other side is saying "imprisonment without trial is wrong, and we are not going to give ourselves up because that is what will happen to us."
well
it aint much of a choice, really.
Which was made worse by Marvel trying to milk the current political climate for credibility. Then they were erratic in what they believed and what the SHRA meant. It all depended on the writer's opinion. There was no attempt by editorial to keep anything consistent. :evil:
The only title I liked during Civil War was Ms. Marvel. That dealt with the correct implications on both sides and that both had their good arguments.
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the best thing about civil war is that we got world war hulk and planet hulk because of it
superhero comics should be divorced from current affairs
the metaphors are always juvenile and ham-fisted and it makes the stories seem really dated in just a few years
superhero comics should be divorced from current affairs
the metaphors are always juvenile and ham-fisted and it makes the stories seem really dated in just a few years
Like that time when Doctor Doom cried because of 9/11.
There were some really great comics written in the sixties and seventies which were allegories or even just directly about the Civil Rights Movement and Vietnam and so on.
Sometimes (like every time Millar does it) they are awful, but sometimes they can be pretty good, just like with everything else.
i don't know... with the sliding timeline Marvel and DC use with their main continuities, linking things to specific current events makes things really dated and hard to reconcile.
To be honest I think the SHRA and the Mutant Registration Act are both pretty good ideas
If you have people running around that can shoot lasers out of their eyes or create fire with their mind or throw your car 3 miles
well
you should probably keep track of them
I mean we know the superheroes are good people and won't fuck over the common man
but in-universe all the Marvel U has to go by is a promise that "hey we are never going to go evil or something" when a bunch of heroes have totally had a evil/dark period
the problem is how they went about it. Don't force them to suddenly become SHIELD Agents, don't make them give up their secret identity or if you have to, make it so that they give it up to another hero they trust that works for SHIELD or something. Don't fucking throw anyone who disagrees with the act in jail in another fucking dimension what the hell.
superhero comics should be divorced from current affairs
the metaphors are always juvenile and ham-fisted and it makes the stories seem really dated in just a few years
Like that time when Doctor Doom cried because of 9/11.
Well, those comics from the sixties are always going to look and feel somewhat dated. The fashion, the language, the technology, it's inevitable really. Adding it references to events at the time is part of what makes them cool, legit pieces of literature with honest social commentary going on in them. I'm happy for comics to feel a little dated in the future as long as they do a good job of portraying the now, and I feel that if they tap into something which deep and important enough, and portray that well, then they won't feel any more dated than they otherwise would.
not a huge fan of planet hulk mostly because it was like ah, all this shit, damn it
I liked the idea of WWH, though I had some criticisms with how it dealt with things. Had they made it more of a grey area between the Illuminanti and the Hulk I would have enjoyed it more. That and the heroes not on the Hulk's side act like stupid rookies to be the Hulk's punching bags.
superhero comics should be divorced from current affairs
the metaphors are always juvenile and ham-fisted and it makes the stories seem really dated in just a few years
Like that time when Doctor Doom cried because of 9/11.
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Captain America gets bumrushed by an assorted group of civil servants and cries and then gives up because I'M HURTING THE REAL AMERICA
I think it was during the Heroic Age?
And then the French superhero lady was all "and now, breakfast!" And Ben was all "I love this place"
But yeah, the stupid gravitas around Civil War pissed me off. Oh man, Stamford was awful! Yeah? How about that time when Kang killed everyone in DC! Or when Ultron murdered the entire population of a small country! You loved the Avengers then, when they took out the baddie!
what the hell was all that about
He actually becomes a super-villain
oh yeah, let's throw people who won't work for the government into a prison! For as long as we want! Without trial! And the prison is in a place which literally sucks the happiness out of you!
Great work there, Tony
Oh yeah and the horrible class warfare implications of the whole thing, with the pro-reg side being made up of all the superheroes from wealthy, priveliged backgrounds, and the anti-red dudes being regular guys.
Stamford is, like, the least of my problems with Civil War
the public has no long-term memory when it comes to important shit. All that matters is what you have done lately. That's how it is when you are a public official, like the Avengers basically are. Ultron happened years ago man, Stamford happened right now.
Plus it doesn't help the populace of the Marvel Universe are assholes
but the execution was awful
really
the worst thing about civil war is that we, as readers, were supposed to percieve these as being two sides with equal merits
WHO DO YOU CHOOSE
uh the people not locking up superheroes obviously
Everyone in that comic was an asshole
everyone except Cap, I guess, who was legit pissed at somebody trying to arrest him because he refused to enforce a law that didn't even exist yet
oh yeah and Luke Cage who was pissed because a rich white dude came to his door when he was sitting on the sofa and told him that he worked for him now and Luke was all "yeah fuck that."
Straight deserves anything that happens to it
I think if they did a Civil War movie, they would definitely have to just take the basic premise of "heroes fight heroes".
Wikipedia tells me that it was after World War Hulk
gonna have to find that comic
I am talking about the general populace of the MU in general
these are the people that voted in favor of giant mutant hunting robots
and the other side is saying "imprisonment without trial is wrong, and we are not going to give ourselves up because that is what will happen to us."
well
it aint much of a choice, really.
Oh yeah they are awful
well, they appear to be awful en masse
there are some okay ones
the mayor of San Fran welcomed the X-Men there, and all that
How he handled Civil War was brilliant, and completely in character for Ben.
It was logical for Sue to do that IMO. Though Reed was acting out-of-character during that time period.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janet_Van_Dyne
"But Cap what do you know about Myspace and Nascar?!?"
If you have people running around that can shoot lasers out of their eyes or create fire with their mind or throw your car 3 miles
well
you should probably keep track of them
I mean we know the superheroes are good people and won't fuck over the common man
but in-universe all the Marvel U has to go by is a promise that "hey we are never going to go evil or something" when a bunch of heroes have totally had a evil/dark period
the problem is how they went about it. Don't force them to suddenly become SHIELD Agents, don't make them give up their secret identity or if you have to, make it so that they give it up to another hero they trust that works for SHIELD or something. Don't fucking throw anyone who disagrees with the act in jail in another fucking dimension what the hell.
It'll most likely end up "heroes fight government".
Which was made worse by Marvel trying to milk the current political climate for credibility. Then they were erratic in what they believed and what the SHRA meant. It all depended on the writer's opinion. There was no attempt by editorial to keep anything consistent. :evil:
The only title I liked during Civil War was Ms. Marvel. That dealt with the correct implications on both sides and that both had their good arguments.
the metaphors are always juvenile and ham-fisted and it makes the stories seem really dated in just a few years
Like that time when Doctor Doom cried because of 9/11.
There were some really great comics written in the sixties and seventies which were allegories or even just directly about the Civil Rights Movement and Vietnam and so on.
Sometimes (like every time Millar does it) they are awful, but sometimes they can be pretty good, just like with everything else.
Agreed, Blank.
not a huge fan of planet hulk mostly because it was like ah, all this shit, damn it
I liked the idea of WWH, though I had some criticisms with how it dealt with things. Had they made it more of a grey area between the Illuminanti and the Hulk I would have enjoyed it more. That and the heroes not on the Hulk's side act like stupid rookies to be the Hulk's punching bags.
which is why it needs to be done well. If it fails, it fails hard
I got so, so angry when I read that. So angry.
sorry
planet hulk was the one with all the gladiator stuff right? that was the good one
it was world war hulk I didn't like
Yeah, that's correct.