i think it was grant morrison? but moore's bond had basically seen it all at that point, and he was so good at saving the world that he purposefully sabotaged himself just to keep it interesting for him
i'd turn lazenby as an inside joke to the premiere
dalton should be crazy
moore should be a drill sgt for bonds because he's seen some shit
peter sellers is the new q
i like the idea of moore being completely out of it
like, he's old, he's retired, he spends all day pottering about in the garden or sitting on the porch in the sun and watching the girls go by
he strikes me as too essentially harmless for a sergeant. that's just me though.
also they should bring jaws back
You know, totally retired is even better for this concept.
He was out. He won.
Which makes him the only person that CraigBond can turn to. Everyone else died or went to the enemy.
So, you have a scene at the nice cottage. Just... talking. A little wistfulness, and a feeling that there is no way that it'll end this well for our hero.
i'd turn lazenby as an inside joke to the premiere
dalton should be crazy
moore should be a drill sgt for bonds because he's seen some shit
peter sellers is the new q
i like the idea of moore being completely out of it
like, he's old, he's retired, he spends all day pottering about in the garden or sitting on the porch in the sun and watching the girls go by
he strikes me as too essentially harmless for a sergeant. that's just me though.
also they should bring jaws back
You know, totally retired is even better for this concept.
He was out. He won.
Which makes him the only person that CraigBond can turn to. Everyone else died or went to the enemy.
So, you have a scene at the nice cottage. Just... talking. A little wistfulness, and a feeling that there is no way that it'll end this well for our hero.
I do not like this whole idea. If you felt you couldn't make a good movie within the current continuity you should make a reboot. Otherwise you should abide by the events established in continuity. One or two mistakes in continuity is fine but a wanton disregard for what happened before hurts my suspension of disbelief and makes me enjoy the whole thing.
Agreed.
You guys should, like, never read any mainstream superhero comics. Ever. Your heads would explode. I mean, is this the same guy who experienced this at some point? I don't fucking know! No one really does! (Take my advice, if anyone starts to say the word "crisis" around you, you punch them in the mouth immediately to preserve your own sanity)
I'm fine with loose continuity if it makes for a better story. Especially when you're dealing with things like prequels and not direct sequels.
Is this where I outline my idea for my dream Bond movie (yes it is)
This only works on the premise that "James Bond 007" is the name and number given to the top 00 agent at any given time, and that when one dies or retires a new one takes his place, so each actor is actually portraying a separate character. Not only does this allow for the different faces and personalities but lack of aging over 50 years, in-universe it makes more sense than a spy telling everyone what his real name is.
Anyway, my idea was that Sean Connery would come out of retirement to play his Bond again, the first Bond, who is now a leader of a crime syndicate (or terrorist ring, or something). He's a bitter old man who's angry at MI6 for demanding so much of their promising young men before destroying their lives, and he's set out to destroy the agency. He's had all the training they have so he knows how to stay ahead of them and predict their moves, so Craig-Bond can't just punch his way to a solution. It would have a whole lot of revelations about MI6 and the nature of the 00 program and what happens to old cast-off spies.
It'll never happen because the studio has said they do not support the multiple agents hypothesis
And even if it were made it would probably have to be the last Bond movie ever
Isn't that kind of just a combination of Goldeneye and the Bourne movies?
i'd turn lazenby as an inside joke to the premiere
dalton should be crazy
moore should be a drill sgt for bonds because he's seen some shit
peter sellers is the new q
i like the idea of moore being completely out of it
like, he's old, he's retired, he spends all day pottering about in the garden or sitting on the porch in the sun and watching the girls go by
he strikes me as too essentially harmless for a sergeant. that's just me though.
also they should bring jaws back
You know, totally retired is even better for this concept.
He was out. He won.
Which makes him the only person that CraigBond can turn to. Everyone else died or went to the enemy.
So, you have a scene at the nice cottage. Just... talking. A little wistfulness, and a feeling that there is no way that it'll end this well for our hero.
Makes the ending work even better.
Shit I like this a lot
i was thinking maybe connery kills him
but no, this is better. new bond (craig?) goes to moore because he's the only man alive who knows what connery is capable of. and craig says, why don't you join me? back in the field again, the last hurrah, saving the world one final time. thinking there's no way moore can pass it up.
and moore says, no. i'm tired of being the hero. leave me to my flowers.
i'd turn lazenby as an inside joke to the premiere
dalton should be crazy
moore should be a drill sgt for bonds because he's seen some shit
peter sellers is the new q
i like the idea of moore being completely out of it
like, he's old, he's retired, he spends all day pottering about in the garden or sitting on the porch in the sun and watching the girls go by
he strikes me as too essentially harmless for a sergeant. that's just me though.
also they should bring jaws back
You know, totally retired is even better for this concept.
He was out. He won.
Which makes him the only person that CraigBond can turn to. Everyone else died or went to the enemy.
So, you have a scene at the nice cottage. Just... talking. A little wistfulness, and a feeling that there is no way that it'll end this well for our hero.
Makes the ending work even better.
Shit I like this a lot
i was thinking maybe connery kills him
but no, this is better. new bond (craig?) goes to moore because he's the only man alive who knows what connery is capable of. and craig says, why don't you join me? back in the field again, the last hurrah, saving the world one final time. thinking there's no way moore can pass it up.
and moore says, no. i'm tired of being the hero. leave me to my flowers.
It's like nobody even read what I wrote. I am not complaining about a few fucking continuity errors. I am complaining that they hamstrung them selves in the dumbest possible way. They reverently held to certain elements of the old movies(What prevented any of the traditional ones from showing) when it hurt their story but completely ignored continuity when it would have improved the story.
I am not saying they should have obeyed continuity even if it would make a worse story. I am saying trying to play it both ways hurt the movie. That it made it worse by both denying it good moments and good characters.
I am fucking saying they should have ignored the whole thing and started fresh
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i think it was grant morrison? but moore's bond had basically seen it all at that point, and he was so good at saving the world that he purposefully sabotaged himself just to keep it interesting for him
I guess I can get behind this
At the very least to try to justify why he spent the action climax of that one movie running around dressed as a sad clown
this was specifically brought up
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I do not like this whole idea. If you felt you couldn't make a good movie within the current continuity you should make a reboot. Otherwise you should abide by the events established in continuity. One or two mistakes in continuity is fine but a wanton disregard for what happened before hurts my suspension of disbelief and makes me enjoy the whole thing.
Agreed.
You guys should, like, never read any mainstream superhero comics. Ever. Your heads would explode. I mean, is this the same guy who experienced this at some point? I don't fucking know! No one really does! (Take my advice, if anyone starts to say the word "crisis" around you, you punch them in the mouth immediately to preserve your own sanity)
I'm fine with loose continuity if it makes for a better story. Especially when you're dealing with things like prequels and not direct sequels.
Is this where I outline my idea for my dream Bond movie (yes it is)
This only works on the premise that "James Bond 007" is the name and number given to the top 00 agent at any given time, and that when one dies or retires a new one takes his place, so each actor is actually portraying a separate character. Not only does this allow for the different faces and personalities but lack of aging over 50 years, in-universe it makes more sense than a spy telling everyone what his real name is.
Anyway, my idea was that Sean Connery would come out of retirement to play his Bond again, the first Bond, who is now a leader of a crime syndicate (or terrorist ring, or something). He's a bitter old man who's angry at MI6 for demanding so much of their promising young men before destroying their lives, and he's set out to destroy the agency. He's had all the training they have so he knows how to stay ahead of them and predict their moves, so Craig-Bond can't just punch his way to a solution. It would have a whole lot of revelations about MI6 and the nature of the 00 program and what happens to old cast-off spies.
It'll never happen because the studio has said they do not support the multiple agents hypothesis
And even if it were made it would probably have to be the last Bond movie ever
Isn't that kind of just a combination of Goldeneye and the Bourne movies?
...
Sold!
They've cared about continuity, otherwise they would never have gone through so many Cris-OW MY TEEF
We got caught up in Rainbow Creatures and Bond dreams.
Care to join us?
(Also, fun fact. I have a terrifying ability of being able to recognize, from literally seconds of seemingly generic footage, a Bond film when it's on television)
It's like nobody even read what I wrote. I am not complaining about a few fucking continuity errors. I am complaining that they hamstrung them selves in the dumbest possible way. They reverently held to certain elements of the old movies(What prevented any of the traditional ones from showing) when it hurt their story but completely ignored continuity when it would have improved the story.
I am not saying they should have obeyed continuity even if it would make a worse story. I am saying trying to play it both ways hurt the movie. That it made it worse by both denying it good moments and good characters.
I am fucking saying they should have ignored the whole thing and started fresh
And I'm saying that doing it halfway and just carrying over the elements they want to keep is fine, and they've been doing it that way de facto in comics for like half a century.
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I think I've seen...two and a half Bond films. Parts of several others. So I don't have the experience necessary.
Still, though, one that comes to mind is just a shot of a car driving along a road and I stop and go "Wait, don't turn the channel. Is this James Bond?"
It's like nobody even read what I wrote. I am not complaining about a few fucking continuity errors. I am complaining that they hamstrung them selves in the dumbest possible way. They reverently held to certain elements of the old movies(What prevented any of the traditional ones from showing) when it hurt their story but completely ignored continuity when it would have improved the story.
I am not saying they should have obeyed continuity even if it would make a worse story. I am saying trying to play it both ways hurt the movie. That it made it worse by both denying it good moments and good characters.
I am fucking saying they should have ignored the whole thing and started fresh
And I'm saying that doing it halfway and just carrying over the elements they want to keep is fine, and they've been doing it that way de facto in comics for like half a century.
Comics tend to try and explain it away or explicitly retcon things though.
We got caught up in Rainbow Creatures and Bond dreams.
Care to join us?
(Also, fun fact. I have a terrifying ability of being able to recognize, from literally seconds of seemingly generic footage, a Bond film when it's on television)
Ah. TV psychic?
Be careful. I'm pretty sure war-tardises want to use you as a pilot.
(Nobody except me on this entire forum will get this, and I don't care.)
We got caught up in Rainbow Creatures and Bond dreams.
Care to join us?
(Also, fun fact. I have a terrifying ability of being able to recognize, from literally seconds of seemingly generic footage, a Bond film when it's on television)
Ah. TV psychic?
Be careful. I'm pretty sure war-tardises want to use you as a pilot.
(Nobody except me on this entire forum will get this, and I don't care.)
Ooh!
Ooh!
I know what a war-TARDIS is!
I spent far more time than I should have on the Doctor Who wiki!
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i guarantee you could do a totally serious rainbow creature story and it would be terrifying
also you know what i miss from old bond films? the wacky henchmen. bring back the giants and the freaks and the dudes with metal teeth
even if half the time 'wacky' just means 'asian'
I am Diamondface. I have diamonds. In my face.
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tv psychics?
i remember a period of time for several months where i would think about an episode of a cartoon that i thought was funny and it would air right after i thought about it
this would happen multiple times per day, multiple days over the course of several months
there weren't even any TV listings that told me more than what show was up next
It's like nobody even read what I wrote. I am not complaining about a few fucking continuity errors. I am complaining that they hamstrung them selves in the dumbest possible way. They reverently held to certain elements of the old movies(What prevented any of the traditional ones from showing) when it hurt their story but completely ignored continuity when it would have improved the story.
I am not saying they should have obeyed continuity even if it would make a worse story. I am saying trying to play it both ways hurt the movie. That it made it worse by both denying it good moments and good characters.
I am fucking saying they should have ignored the whole thing and started fresh
And I'm saying that doing it halfway and just carrying over the elements they want to keep is fine, and they've been doing it that way de facto in comics for like half a century.
Comics tend to try and explain it away or explicitly retcon things though.
Yeah, and it's not like that's just made things more muddled, or anything...
Look, continuity is whatever the writers and editors of that particular story want it to be, and always has been, whatever pretentions to consistency they may try to make stabs at.
EDIT: Fun fact, the recent Marvel live action movies officially take place on Earth-199999. Stare into the eyes of madness, my friends.
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I did not know this about the guy who played Goldfinger.
He joined the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei in 1929 at the age of 16 and left it again in 1937. However, he aided two German Jews by hiding them from the Gestapo. Because of his former membership in the Nazi Party, the film Goldfinger was initially banned in Israel until the family came forward and thanked him for saving their lives.
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something something clown porn
that's silly
i mean it makes sense but why would you bother believing it
I also do birthday parties
grant morrison should write a bond movie
like batman inc. but with actual bond
Put a whistle in your dick, so when you get blown...
:whistle:
You know, totally retired is even better for this concept.
He was out. He won.
Which makes him the only person that CraigBond can turn to. Everyone else died or went to the enemy.
So, you have a scene at the nice cottage. Just... talking. A little wistfulness, and a feeling that there is no way that it'll end this well for our hero.
Makes the ending work even better.
Why I fear the ocean.
Shit I like this a lot
You guys should, like, never read any mainstream superhero comics. Ever. Your heads would explode. I mean, is this the same guy who experienced this at some point? I don't fucking know! No one really does! (Take my advice, if anyone starts to say the word "crisis" around you, you punch them in the mouth immediately to preserve your own sanity)
I'm fine with loose continuity if it makes for a better story. Especially when you're dealing with things like prequels and not direct sequels.
Isn't that kind of just a combination of Goldeneye and the Bourne movies?
...
Sold!
At the end of it?
A pot of blood
i was thinking maybe connery kills him
but no, this is better. new bond (craig?) goes to moore because he's the only man alive who knows what connery is capable of. and craig says, why don't you join me? back in the field again, the last hurrah, saving the world one final time. thinking there's no way moore can pass it up.
and moore says, no. i'm tired of being the hero. leave me to my flowers.
in the murder cauldron
You guys are getting story credits
it is never explained
I am not saying they should have obeyed continuity even if it would make a worse story. I am saying trying to play it both ways hurt the movie. That it made it worse by both denying it good moments and good characters.
I am fucking saying they should have ignored the whole thing and started fresh
They've cared about continuity, otherwise they would never have gone through so many Cris-OW MY TEEF
Care to join us?
(Also, fun fact. I have a terrifying ability of being able to recognize, from literally seconds of seemingly generic footage, a Bond film when it's on television)
And I'm saying that doing it halfway and just carrying over the elements they want to keep is fine, and they've been doing it that way de facto in comics for like half a century.
Still, though, one that comes to mind is just a shot of a car driving along a road and I stop and go "Wait, don't turn the channel. Is this James Bond?"
Sure enough, Casino Royale.
Comics tend to try and explain it away or explicitly retcon things though.
also you know what i miss from old bond films? the wacky henchmen. bring back the giants and the freaks and the dudes with metal teeth
even if half the time 'wacky' just means 'asian'
Ah. TV psychic?
Be careful. I'm pretty sure war-tardises want to use you as a pilot.
(Nobody except me on this entire forum will get this, and I don't care.)
Why I fear the ocean.
Ooh!
Ooh!
I know what a war-TARDIS is!
I spent far more time than I should have on the Doctor Who wiki!
I am Diamondface. I have diamonds. In my face.
i remember a period of time for several months where i would think about an episode of a cartoon that i thought was funny and it would air right after i thought about it
this would happen multiple times per day, multiple days over the course of several months
there weren't even any TV listings that told me more than what show was up next
that didn't quite work but i appreciated them trying
the pierce brosnan bonds are generally pretty good
i can't help but feel like the ideal bond film would reconcile the surface goofiness of brosnan with the underlying seriousness of craig
Yeah, and it's not like that's just made things more muddled, or anything...
Look, continuity is whatever the writers and editors of that particular story want it to be, and always has been, whatever pretentions to consistency they may try to make stabs at.
EDIT: Fun fact, the recent Marvel live action movies officially take place on Earth-199999. Stare into the eyes of madness, my friends.
A henchman with a prosthetic arm and leg. They've got guns and knives hidden in them.
Or how about your standard knife-thrower with a shitload of hidden knives and incredible accuracy and skill.
i am thinking some sort of ninja siamese twin
one of those people who straight up has two heads
basically if the joker would hire them to staff his evil carnival they'd be good in a bond film
Okay, hold on! I don't recall any Bond henchmen that wacky.
we are pushing wackiness to the limit
it's the next logical step up from jaws
after that we can dial it back down and just have like a chinese guy with a big stick
he sounds like a chief
bet the pope wishes he'd had the foresight to get some jews saved
Then I watched Moonraker.
I don't understand what kind of point you think you're making here