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honestly I don't know. I feel like the employee should be able to say, okay you won't show me your receipt, let me go to the checker you checked out with and confirm your purchase while you wait here or something like that.
*walks away*
following to your car and callin da cops!
also most states probably have some sort of statute like the one I just linked that says they can detain
The owner or lessee of a motion picture theater or authorized agent or employee of the owner or lessee who has probable cause to believe that the person has violated ORS
A motion picture theater? You mean where they show talkies?
I've been to many stores where I've been asked to show a receipt when I'm leaving. Hell, I've been a receipt checker a few times. This was in the 90s so its not a new practice. If you have a store that is literally hundreds of thousands of square feet, with hundreds of customers its not practical to visually see if someone has paid for their stuff. So they have someone check your receipt for like 15 seconds and then let you proceed.
By the quoted story, the employee grabbed the cart. Even if you don't believe the store can stop you from leaving, they could surely prevent you from taking a cart. At best convention calls for the store to allow you to use the cart to load your car, and the same convention would require him to allow his receipt to be checked. The guy used violence on one employee and then violence was used on him. I don't have too much sympathy.
Do you think the employee would have done nothing if he had started taking the bags to his car instead of using the cart to push them there?
Speculating on a hypothetical based largely on one man's side of the story is rarely fruitful. By his own version of events, he was in the wrong and the store employee was within his rights to stop the cart from leaving the store.
But in the specific case of Costco, he has a written agreement that compels him to allow a search and to detain him in this situation.
The purpose of stopping the cart to leave the store was to prevent the guy from leaving the store with the goods he had purchased, not to merely deprive him of the use of the cart as tit for tat.
So?
The intention of the person is usually very relevant in these situations. The employee's purpose was to detain the person, not merely deprive him of use of the cart to force him to take the bags to the car without use of the cart.
Intent is irrelevant barring criminality. You have to establish the existence of a crime or otherwise impermissible act first. You're starting from the position that they did something wrong and trying to justify it. The man was not prevented from leaving by his own story and then used violence against an employee. He thought the rules didn't apply to him and then tried to remove the employee from the cart violently. Distrust of business interests shouldn't make one blindly oppose everything they might do.
The owner or lessee of a motion picture theater or authorized agent or employee of the owner or lessee who has probable cause to believe that the person has violated ORS
A motion picture theater? You mean where they show talkies?
It's weird how these days they're called movies and not talkies.
The owner or lessee of a motion picture theater or authorized agent or employee of the owner or lessee who has probable cause to believe that the person has violated ORS
A motion picture theater? You mean where they show talkies?
It's weird how these days they're called movies and not talkies.
I just like that the law says "motion picture theater", like it was written in the 30s.
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LudiousI just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered Userregular
2015 marvel heroes characters are officially:
Kitty Pryde, She-Hulk, Black Cat, War Machine, Blade, Dr. Doom, Winter Soldier, Bobby Drake, Vision, and Iron Fist
Kitty Pryde, She-Hulk, Black Cat, War Machine, Blade, Dr. Doom, Winter Soldier, Bobby Drake, Vision, and Iron Fist
X-23 comes out end of this year
so many girl heroes
You keep talking about this game, and I'll have to start playing.
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Donkey KongPutting Nintendo out of business with AI nipsRegistered Userregular
edited September 2014
This hardware from China requires that I send it commands in TCP packets but if I don't hack my TCP code to preserve message boundaries (one packet = one command), it fails.
I hope this gives some networking programmer lurker an aneurism. Need to share this misery.
Donkey Kong on
Thousands of hot, local singles are waiting to play at bubbulon.com.
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderatormod
I've been to many stores where I've been asked to show a receipt when I'm leaving. Hell, I've been a receipt checker a few times. This was in the 90s so its not a new practice. If you have a store that is literally hundreds of thousands of square feet, with hundreds of customers its not practical to visually see if someone has paid for their stuff. So they have someone check your receipt for like 15 seconds and then let you proceed.
By the quoted story, the employee grabbed the cart. Even if you don't believe the store can stop you from leaving, they could surely prevent you from taking a cart. At best convention calls for the store to allow you to use the cart to load your car, and the same convention would require him to allow his receipt to be checked. The guy used violence on one employee and then violence was used on him. I don't have too much sympathy.
Do you think the employee would have done nothing if he had started taking the bags to his car instead of using the cart to push them there?
Speculating on a hypothetical based largely on one man's side of the story is rarely fruitful. By his own version of events, he was in the wrong and the store employee was within his rights to stop the cart from leaving the store.
But in the specific case of Costco, he has a written agreement that compels him to allow a search and to detain him in this situation.
The purpose of stopping the cart to leave the store was to prevent the guy from leaving the store with the goods he had purchased, not to merely deprive him of the use of the cart as tit for tat.
So?
The intention of the person is usually very relevant in these situations. The employee's purpose was to detain the person, not merely deprive him of use of the cart to force him to take the bags to the car without use of the cart.
Intent is irrelevant barring criminality. You have to establish the existence of a crime or otherwise impermissible act first. You're starting from the position that they did something wrong and trying to justify it. The man was not prevented from leaving by his own story and then used violence against an employee. He thought the rules didn't apply to him and then tried to remove the employee from the cart violently. Distrust of business interests shouldn't make one blindly oppose everything they might do.
A person doesn't have to be physically restrained to be detained. Withholding valuables from a person can detain that person and that was the employee's purpose.
My issue with them is if I took away the drink name and recipe and just look at the designs themselves, the only one people might understand is the Manhattan. It's the same beef I have with a lot of minimalist movie posters done by fan communities. They just tend to use minimalism as an excuse to be lazy whereas if you look at something like Saul Bass's work, he is minimalist and evocative. He produces as a reaction in a viewer.
The appeal to me is that the minimalist design reminds me of the minimalist quality of the recipes. The appeal of classic cocktails is their elemental nature - you don't need a lot of ingredients. You just need good quality ingredients in the right proportions.
Yeah but for me the drawings with them doesn't bring anything. I suspect I could get the exact same effect if I removed the drawings and simply had the recipe itself. Perhaps justifying the typeset in the shape of the correct glass. For me, really good minimalist art shouldn't have extraneous flourishes, and the drawings feel extraneous.
get a typewriter, double spaced lines, type recipes, done
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Podlyyou unzipped me! it's all coming back! i don't like it!Registered Userregular
After an extensive 12-month development program during which we identified 400hp being far more than either the chassis or the brakes could handle, we returned in 2012 with a new upgrade package, as devised by a crack team of experts. This included a 450hp engine, no changes to either the brakes or the suspension, some beefier hubs and back-to-back dinner bookings at the local Fondue house. Belgian fondue rocks. Three cheese; two beef.
This engine was quite something. It would rev to 6,400rpm with spiteful zip and, if the driver was feeling idiotic enough through Eau Rouge, would allow this super-heated paving slab to out-drag some of the semi-lightweight E-Types up the Kemmel Straight. At which point they would brake neatly for Les Combes and the Falcon driver would find religion.
After an extensive 12-month development program during which we identified 400hp being far more than either the chassis or the brakes could handle, we returned in 2012 with a new upgrade package, as devised by a crack team of experts. This included a 450hp engine, no changes to either the brakes or the suspension, some beefier hubs and back-to-back dinner bookings at the local Fondue house. Belgian fondue rocks. Three cheese; two beef.
This engine was quite something. It would rev to 6,400rpm with spiteful zip and, if the driver was feeling idiotic enough through Eau Rouge, would allow this super-heated paving slab to out-drag some of the semi-lightweight E-Types up the Kemmel Straight. At which point they would brake neatly for Les Combes and the Falcon driver would find religion.
Yessssss. I kinda love that school of design. There is something to be said for a car that is willing to punish you at the drop of a hat. They aren't fun daily drivers but on a track....
I don't see how an employee trying to prevent the guy from leaving with the goods he purchased isn't detention. Deciding to not do the receipt check is perfectly legal, and I don't see why the membership agreement would create reasonable suspicion.
This hardware from China requires that I send it commands in TCP packets but if I don't hack my TCP code to preserve message boundaries (one packet = one command), it fails.
I hope this gives some networking programmer lurker an aneurism. Need to share this misery.
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it's time to invade china
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ThomamelasOnly one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered Userregular
Grrr, we're not getting a proper sequel to Sleeping Dogs. Gonna need to dislocate some knees.
Got a date with a girl who's 5'11" on Wednesday. I better stand up real tall because I'm only 5'11" and 3/4". She's totally gonna be wearing heels and be taller than I am.
After an extensive 12-month development program during which we identified 400hp being far more than either the chassis or the brakes could handle, we returned in 2012 with a new upgrade package, as devised by a crack team of experts. This included a 450hp engine, no changes to either the brakes or the suspension, some beefier hubs and back-to-back dinner bookings at the local Fondue house. Belgian fondue rocks. Three cheese; two beef.
This engine was quite something. It would rev to 6,400rpm with spiteful zip and, if the driver was feeling idiotic enough through Eau Rouge, would allow this super-heated paving slab to out-drag some of the semi-lightweight E-Types up the Kemmel Straight. At which point they would brake neatly for Les Combes and the Falcon driver would find religion.
Yessssss. I kinda love that school of design. There is something to be said for a car that is willing to punish you at the drop of a hat. They aren't fun daily drivers but on a track....
For collected eye-candy, this might be the finest collection of machines I’ve seen in one place: a dozen Lola T70s, a 917, a Ferrari 512S, several Can-Am McLarens and more lightweight E-Types than you can throw a SWB 911 at. There being enough of those not to worry about losing the odd one.
A person doesn't have to be physically restrained to be detained. Withholding valuables from a person can detain that person and that was the employee's purpose.
Withholding equipment that belong to someone else? Or are you going to claim that the store was obligated to provide transportation for merchandise and that withholding transportation equipment was tantamount to detention? Shopping carts are a courtesy and subject to restriction by the merchant.
Basically there's been a number of citations that he was allowed to be stopped, by his own admission he was only potentially going to be detained and by his own admission he used violence first. Presuming that their method of stopping the carriage, thereby discouraging or slowing his ability to leave with merchandise, would have escalated to something impermissible is just looking for something to complain about
Posts
http://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/131.655
so there ya go
following to your car and callin da cops!
also most states probably have some sort of statute like the one I just linked that says they can detain
Fine.
More egg chairs for me then
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
A motion picture theater? You mean where they show talkies?
Intent is irrelevant barring criminality. You have to establish the existence of a crime or otherwise impermissible act first. You're starting from the position that they did something wrong and trying to justify it. The man was not prevented from leaving by his own story and then used violence against an employee. He thought the rules didn't apply to him and then tried to remove the employee from the cart violently. Distrust of business interests shouldn't make one blindly oppose everything they might do.
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It's weird how these days they're called movies and not talkies.
http://img.pandawhale.com/94150-live-in-the-now-gif-Waynes-Wor-dW2T.gif
I just like that the law says "motion picture theater", like it was written in the 30s.
Kitty Pryde, She-Hulk, Black Cat, War Machine, Blade, Dr. Doom, Winter Soldier, Bobby Drake, Vision, and Iron Fist
X-23 comes out end of this year
so many girl heroes
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
@Gooey
You keep talking about this game, and I'll have to start playing.
I hope this gives some networking programmer lurker an aneurism. Need to share this misery.
noooo that's what he waaaaants
A person doesn't have to be physically restrained to be detained. Withholding valuables from a person can detain that person and that was the employee's purpose.
get a typewriter, double spaced lines, type recipes, done
I am so exhausted.
I am surprised I didn't hit anyone driving home.
ladies bein mad smart tho
He won't, by the time this is over.
obviously trying to live up to your legacy
Iron Fist is tempting
twitch.tv/tehsloth
poonani > dongs
it's a fact
Yessssss. I kinda love that school of design. There is something to be said for a car that is willing to punish you at the drop of a hat. They aren't fun daily drivers but on a track....
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hank+hill+listens&page=&utm_source=opensearch
It's sort of a vaguely funny idea gone horribly, horribly wrong.
Hard to be Obama when it starts under Bush. Actually this is the Clinton/Reagan hangover.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-american-middle-class-hasnt-gotten-a-raise-in-15-years/
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it's time to invade china
How tall is she on other days of the week?
Like ... no more True Crime games (hooray) or no more Sleeping Dogs set in Hong Kong games (boo)?
Withholding equipment that belong to someone else? Or are you going to claim that the store was obligated to provide transportation for merchandise and that withholding transportation equipment was tantamount to detention? Shopping carts are a courtesy and subject to restriction by the merchant.
Basically there's been a number of citations that he was allowed to be stopped, by his own admission he was only potentially going to be detained and by his own admission he used violence first. Presuming that their method of stopping the carriage, thereby discouraging or slowing his ability to leave with merchandise, would have escalated to something impermissible is just looking for something to complain about
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