The shooter at the GOP congressional baseball practice this morning is James T. Hodgkinson of Belleville, Ill., according to multiple law enforcement sources. Hodgkinson, 66, owns a home inspection business. His home inspection license expired in November 2016 and was not renewed, state records show.
Hodgkinson was charged in April 2006 with battery and aiding damage to a motor vehicle, according to online records in St. Clair County, Illinois. The charges were dismissed, records show.
I'm not a mod so the most I can do is ask: please let's not go into political discussion AT THIS TIME. Political fallout is important and we will do that part later. I have the same sour feeling in my gut about what Trump and GOP will do, but they ain't done nothing yet. More importantly, it's inappropriate to politicize this incident when there are victims freshly in the hospital. Let's be a little stoic for now.
EDIT: If Trump et al politicize this too soon, then we shouldn't ignore that. Ugh.
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The shooter at the GOP congressional baseball practice this morning is James T. Hodgkinson of Belleville, Ill., according to multiple law enforcement sources. Hodgkinson, 66, owns a home inspection business. His home inspection license expired in November 2016 and was not renewed, state records show.
Hodgkinson was charged in April 2006 with battery and aiding damage to a motor vehicle, according to online records in St. Clair County, Illinois. The charges were dismissed, records show.
East St. Louis. An area hit VERY hard by the way our state is being run.
Edit: So this was my post on Facebook about this:
So I want to make this crystal clear: I disagree with a lot of politicians right now.
There is no reason, no excuse, no cowardly justification to ever use violence against someone. Yes, we all laugh at punching nazis.. but even that is extreme. And whatever the hell went down in DC this morning was abhorrent.
I then had a cousin say violence against Nazis is fine because they deserve it. I don't think this squares with my beliefs.. Violence is never the answer.
I'm not a mod so the most I can do is ask: please let's not go into political discussion AT THIS TIME. Political fallout is important and we will do that part later. I have the same sour feeling in my gut about what Trump and GOP will do, but they ain't done nothing yet. More importantly, it's inappropriate to politicize this incident when there are victims freshly in the hospital. Let's be a little stoic for now.
EDIT: If Trump et al politicize this too soon, then we shouldn't ignore that. Ugh.
Trump Jr already has.
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I'd think that with the quality of the people in here, a "I'm happy no one is hurt/dead" preface isn't necessary. Moreover, it's about as useful as "sending thoughts and prayers."
Also, if you don't think this will be used as a political tool, you're naive. Brace yourselves for "the tolerant left."
You'd think, but this is still one of the largest internet communities left after the advent of social media.
We still get new people, and lurkers. Maintaining your decency to set an example is an important thing, and a little discipline to keep yourself out of the tasty red meat of controversy long enough for the controversy to actually materialize should be a thing we strive for amongst the rest of the chaos online.
I'm not a mod so the most I can do is ask: please let's not go into political discussion AT THIS TIME. Political fallout is important and we will do that part later. I have the same sour feeling in my gut about what Trump and GOP will do, but they ain't done nothing yet. More importantly, it's inappropriate to politicize this incident when there are victims freshly in the hospital. Let's be a little stoic for now.
EDIT: If Trump et al politicize this too soon, then we shouldn't ignore that. Ugh.
They already did. They are spreading the word that the shooter asked if the team was Democrat or Republican before opening fire. You can't avoid this being political.
Political violence is a fact of life in the USA. JFK and Reagan both got shot on both sides of the political spectrum, and many other politicians have been hurt or killed over the years.
Hours ago on Morning Joe a spokesperson calling in about this already tried to associate it with immigration and the travel ban by saying we can't feel safe in America, not in parks or even at our airports.
Except for the fact that it was an outright politically motivated attempted mass murder that gop fuckers are going to use to try and forward their shitty agenda
I'm not a mod so the most I can do is ask: please let's not go into political discussion AT THIS TIME. Political fallout is important and we will do that part later. I have the same sour feeling in my gut about what Trump and GOP will do, but they ain't done nothing yet. More importantly, it's inappropriate to politicize this incident when there are victims freshly in the hospital. Let's be a little stoic for now.
EDIT: If Trump et al politicize this too soon, then we shouldn't ignore that. Ugh.
Trump Jr already has.
Specifically, he retweeted someone blaming this on liberal elites for calling for violence against the president.
I guess that time his father called for violence against Clinton didn't count.
I'm also seeing reports that the alleged shooter (assuming they got it right) was a Bernie or Bust guy who despised Clinton.
I'm not a mod so the most I can do is ask: please let's not go into political discussion AT THIS TIME. Political fallout is important and we will do that part later. I have the same sour feeling in my gut about what Trump and GOP will do, but they ain't done nothing yet. More importantly, it's inappropriate to politicize this incident when there are victims freshly in the hospital. Let's be a little stoic for now.
EDIT: If Trump et al politicize this too soon, then we shouldn't ignore that. Ugh.
I'm not a mod in here, but why even make a thread if not to discuss the political fallout? Otherwise it's just pages of "wow, that sucks." If not for the political interest it's basically just another shooting, and there are plenty of those every day.
I'm not a mod so the most I can do is ask: please let's not go into political discussion AT THIS TIME. Political fallout is important and we will do that part later. I have the same sour feeling in my gut about what Trump and GOP will do, but they ain't done nothing yet. More importantly, it's inappropriate to politicize this incident when there are victims freshly in the hospital. Let's be a little stoic for now.
EDIT: If Trump et al politicize this too soon, then we shouldn't ignore that. Ugh.
Trump Jr already has.
Specifically, he retweeted someone blaming this on liberal elites for calling for violence against the president.
I guess that time his father called for violence against Clinton didn't count.
I'm also seeing reports that the alleged shooter (assuming they got it right) was a Bernie or Bust guy who despised Clinton.
If the name, location, and job description being reported are correct, than his facebook page has him liking a 'The GOP LEft Me' 'Dump Trump' and 'Hillary 2016' among other things
I never know what to say when stuff like this happens. I'm not religious, so none of usual 'you have my prayers' really has any meaning for me. And when I think about the alternatives, they all seem contrite or crass.
Do we discuss this as an illegal, gross politically motivated crime and the ramifications of it?
Do we spew forth our meaningless "I'm glad everyone is okay", and leave it at that?
It's not just a question about what is appropriate, it's a question about what is worth saying.
And I never know, I just feel sad instead.
Look at me. Look at me. Look at how large the monster inside me has become. Crunch Crunch! Munch Munch! Chomp Chomp! Gulp!
I'm not a mod so the most I can do is ask: please let's not go into political discussion AT THIS TIME. Political fallout is important and we will do that part later. I have the same sour feeling in my gut about what Trump and GOP will do, but they ain't done nothing yet. More importantly, it's inappropriate to politicize this incident when there are victims freshly in the hospital. Let's be a little stoic for now.
EDIT: If Trump et al politicize this too soon, then we shouldn't ignore that. Ugh.
I'm not a mod in here, but why even make a thread if not to discuss the political fallout? Otherwise it's just pages of "wow, that sucks." If not for the political interest it's basically just another shooting, and there are plenty of those every day.
This is a shooting involving federal elected officials. It's big news. Please listen to the OP and try not to literally immediately start shouting about the GOP or speculating wildly. That's my take on his intention anyway.
I'm not a mod so the most I can do is ask: please let's not go into political discussion AT THIS TIME. Political fallout is important and we will do that part later. I have the same sour feeling in my gut about what Trump and GOP will do, but they ain't done nothing yet. More importantly, it's inappropriate to politicize this incident when there are victims freshly in the hospital. Let's be a little stoic for now.
EDIT: If Trump et al politicize this too soon, then we shouldn't ignore that. Ugh.
I'm not a mod in here, but why even make a thread if not to discuss the political fallout? Otherwise it's just pages of "wow, that sucks." If not for the political interest it's basically just another shooting, and there are plenty of those every day.
I think that having a place to get real time aggregated updates that are cross checked until the whole story is decently pieced together is valuable.
Certainly more valuable than "Man I sure do hate them republicans. I wonder how close I can get to victim blaming before somebody calls me out?"
I'm not a mod so the most I can do is ask: please let's not go into political discussion AT THIS TIME. Political fallout is important and we will do that part later. I have the same sour feeling in my gut about what Trump and GOP will do, but they ain't done nothing yet. More importantly, it's inappropriate to politicize this incident when there are victims freshly in the hospital. Let's be a little stoic for now.
EDIT: If Trump et al politicize this too soon, then we shouldn't ignore that. Ugh.
Trump Jr already has.
Specifically, he retweeted someone blaming this on liberal elites for calling for violence against the president.
I guess that time his father called for violence against Clinton didn't count.
I'm also seeing reports that the alleged shooter (assuming they got it right) was a Bernie or Bust guy who despised Clinton.
If the name, location, and job description being reported are correct, than his facebook page has him liking a 'The GOP LEft Me' 'Dump Trump' and 'Hillary 2016' among other things
TL DRNot at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered Userregular
It's important to decry this sort of thing because it's anathema to a functioning democracy and begets reciprocity (though the right doesn't need any excuse, as recent US history shows).
We can hope for silver linings in the form of real progress on gun control or Scalise not returning to Congress, but the realpolitik is likely to be messy and thoroughly depressing.
It's important to decry this sort of thing because it's anathema to a functioning democracy and begets reciprocity (though the right doesn't need any excuse, as recent US history shows).
We can hope for silver linings in the form of real progress on gun control or Scalise not returning to Congress, but the realpolitik is likely to be messy and thoroughly depressing.
I never know what to say when stuff like this happens. I'm not religious, so none of usual 'you have my prayers' really has any meaning for me. And when I think about the alternatives, they all seem contrite or crass.
Do we discuss this as an illegal, gross politically motivated crime and the ramifications of it?
Do we spew forth our meaningless "I'm glad everyone is okay", and leave it at that?
It's not just a question about what is appropriate, it's a question about what is worth saying.
And I never know, I just feel sad instead.
Perhaps the first discussion should be if violence is traditionally intertwined with politics, in the US or otherwise.
If you were to have military violence and political violence that is not military as comparable actions, for the sake of argument, then as Clausewitz argues political violence is an expression of politics. It's difficult to disentangle violence and politics because they are on the same scale of non violence - violence. What is in question is the threshold for an individual or group to move along that scale from non violent political action to violent political action.
Also if you are going to provide breaking information please include a source (watching CNN, WaPo article, etc)
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I am bitterly reminded that the level of damage could have been limited significantly if it were much harder to be toting around guns
I'm not a gun person, but a rifle is a pretty big gun, right? It's not easily concealed? How did a guy carrying a gun like that end up in the dugout of a baseball field with a bunch of Congresspeople without anyone seeing the gun?
I am bitterly reminded that the level of damage could have been limited significantly if it were much harder to be toting around guns
I'm not a gun person, but a rifle is a pretty big gun, right? It's not easily concealed? How did a guy carrying a gun like that end up in the dugout of a baseball field with a bunch of Congresspeople without anyone seeing the gun?
Not technically illegal to walk around with a big gun in a lot of places, dunno about that specific area. Plus he could have had a duffel bag kinda thing, especially given it's a baseball field, that wouldn't have looked out of place.
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I am bitterly reminded that the level of damage could have been limited significantly if it were much harder to be toting around guns
I'm not a gun person, but a rifle is a pretty big gun, right? It's not easily concealed? How did a guy carrying a gun like that end up in the dugout of a baseball field with a bunch of Congresspeople without anyone seeing the gun?
The senator NPR had on this morning said they had both a rifle and a gun, and the only reason they had such a quick response was because Scalise was there; if he hadn't been, then the protection detail wouldn't have been there.
I am bitterly reminded that the level of damage could have been limited significantly if it were much harder to be toting around guns
I'm not a gun person, but a rifle is a pretty big gun, right? It's not easily concealed? How did a guy carrying a gun like that end up in the dugout of a baseball field with a bunch of Congresspeople without anyone seeing the gun?
As far as I'm aware DC continues to have a ban on the ownership of the type of rifle the shooter is alleged to have used, much less the open carry of such.
I am bitterly reminded that the level of damage could have been limited significantly if it were much harder to be toting around guns
I'm not a gun person, but a rifle is a pretty big gun, right? It's not easily concealed? How did a guy carrying a gun like that end up in the dugout of a baseball field with a bunch of Congresspeople without anyone seeing the gun?
We dont know much. Could have driven there. Could have had a bag. /shrug
I'm not a mod so the most I can do is ask: please let's not go into political discussion AT THIS TIME. Political fallout is important and we will do that part later. I have the same sour feeling in my gut about what Trump and GOP will do, but they ain't done nothing yet. More importantly, it's inappropriate to politicize this incident when there are victims freshly in the hospital. Let's be a little stoic for now.
EDIT: If Trump et al politicize this too soon, then we shouldn't ignore that. Ugh.
Trump Jr already has.
Specifically, he retweeted someone blaming this on liberal elites for calling for violence against the president.
I guess that time his father called for violence against Clinton didn't count.
I'm also seeing reports that the alleged shooter (assuming they got it right) was a Bernie or Bust guy who despised Clinton.
If the name, location, and job description being reported are correct, than his facebook page has him liking a 'The GOP LEft Me' 'Dump Trump' and 'Hillary 2016' among other things
WaPo just interviewed a guy from the Quad Cities area in Iowa who was an acquaintance that campaigned together for Bernie, said, "He was this union tradesman, pretty stocky, and we stayed up talking politics ... He was more on the really progressive side of things.”
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Majority leader says Scalise is out of surgery
House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) said lawmakers are set to learn more about the shooter during an all-members’ briefing later this morning.
A visibly emotional McCarthy said that House Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.) is out of surgery and that he knows the two Capitol Police officers injured. He described them as “amazing individuals” who saved the lives of lawmakers.
“If you talk to the members who were there, they will tell you they went out into the fire to draw the fire,” McCarthy said. “The shooter was moving toward the dugout where the members were and they were able to take him down.”
McCarthy said he was in the House gym when he learned the news and rushed to his Capitol office to learn more. He remained in the office suite of Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) later in the morning receiving updates.
As House majority leader, McCarthy controls the schedule; he said that committee hearings can resume this afternoon but that floor action won’t resume until tomorrow. He also wouldn’t say whether he thinks the Congressional Baseball Game should proceed as scheduled tomorrow night.
Asked about Scalise, McCarthy started to well up.
“I’ve known Steve since Young Republicans. Long before we ever served in the House,” he said before walking away.
I am bitterly reminded that the level of damage could have been limited significantly if it were much harder to be toting around guns
I'm not a gun person, but a rifle is a pretty big gun, right? It's not easily concealed? How did a guy carrying a gun like that end up in the dugout of a baseball field with a bunch of Congresspeople without anyone seeing the gun?
As far as I'm aware DC continues to have a ban on the ownership of the type of rifle the shooter is alleged to have used, much less the open carry of such.
I'm not a mod so the most I can do is ask: please let's not go into political discussion AT THIS TIME. Political fallout is important and we will do that part later. I have the same sour feeling in my gut about what Trump and GOP will do, but they ain't done nothing yet. More importantly, it's inappropriate to politicize this incident when there are victims freshly in the hospital. Let's be a little stoic for now.
EDIT: If Trump et al politicize this too soon, then we shouldn't ignore that. Ugh.
I'm not a mod in here, but why even make a thread if not to discuss the political fallout? Otherwise it's just pages of "wow, that sucks." If not for the political interest it's basically just another shooting, and there are plenty of those every day.
This is a shooting involving federal elected officials. It's big news. Please listen to the OP and try not to literally immediately start shouting about the GOP or speculating wildly. That's my take on his intention anyway.
This, and i'm certain we will be going over the inevitable fallout later, so why not have a thread for it now with events summarized. I know D&D ain't like the Reddit front page with current events, but this event warrants a thread. If this thread is not longer worthwhile, i would be fine see g it locked.
I am bitterly reminded that the level of damage could have been limited significantly if it were much harder to be toting around guns
I'm not a gun person, but a rifle is a pretty big gun, right? It's not easily concealed? How did a guy carrying a gun like that end up in the dugout of a baseball field with a bunch of Congresspeople without anyone seeing the gun?
As far as I'm aware DC continues to have a ban on the ownership of the type of rifle the shooter is alleged to have used, much less the open carry of such.
I thought this was Alexandria, VA, not DC.
My bad. Alexandria does have a prohibition on the open carry of "assault weapons", but no outright ban.
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I know. I woke up and thought of the troubled world not just us.
EDIT: If Trump et al politicize this too soon, then we shouldn't ignore that. Ugh.
East St. Louis. An area hit VERY hard by the way our state is being run.
Edit: So this was my post on Facebook about this:
I then had a cousin say violence against Nazis is fine because they deserve it. I don't think this squares with my beliefs.. Violence is never the answer.
Trump Jr already has.
You'd think, but this is still one of the largest internet communities left after the advent of social media.
We still get new people, and lurkers. Maintaining your decency to set an example is an important thing, and a little discipline to keep yourself out of the tasty red meat of controversy long enough for the controversy to actually materialize should be a thing we strive for amongst the rest of the chaos online.
But, you do you.
They already did. They are spreading the word that the shooter asked if the team was Democrat or Republican before opening fire. You can't avoid this being political.
Political violence is a fact of life in the USA. JFK and Reagan both got shot on both sides of the political spectrum, and many other politicians have been hurt or killed over the years.
Geth, kick @Sleep from the thread
Specifically, he retweeted someone blaming this on liberal elites for calling for violence against the president.
I guess that time his father called for violence against Clinton didn't count.
I'm also seeing reports that the alleged shooter (assuming they got it right) was a Bernie or Bust guy who despised Clinton.
I'm not a mod in here, but why even make a thread if not to discuss the political fallout? Otherwise it's just pages of "wow, that sucks." If not for the political interest it's basically just another shooting, and there are plenty of those every day.
If the name, location, and job description being reported are correct, than his facebook page has him liking a 'The GOP LEft Me' 'Dump Trump' and 'Hillary 2016' among other things
Do we discuss this as an illegal, gross politically motivated crime and the ramifications of it?
Do we spew forth our meaningless "I'm glad everyone is okay", and leave it at that?
It's not just a question about what is appropriate, it's a question about what is worth saying.
And I never know, I just feel sad instead.
Crunch Crunch! Munch Munch! Chomp Chomp! Gulp!
This is a shooting involving federal elected officials. It's big news. Please listen to the OP and try not to literally immediately start shouting about the GOP or speculating wildly. That's my take on his intention anyway.
I think that having a place to get real time aggregated updates that are cross checked until the whole story is decently pieced together is valuable.
Certainly more valuable than "Man I sure do hate them republicans. I wonder how close I can get to victim blaming before somebody calls me out?"
oh boy =/
We can hope for silver linings in the form of real progress on gun control or Scalise not returning to Congress, but the realpolitik is likely to be messy and thoroughly depressing.
Perhaps the first discussion should be if violence is traditionally intertwined with politics, in the US or otherwise.
If you were to have military violence and political violence that is not military as comparable actions, for the sake of argument, then as Clausewitz argues political violence is an expression of politics. It's difficult to disentangle violence and politics because they are on the same scale of non violence - violence. What is in question is the threshold for an individual or group to move along that scale from non violent political action to violent political action.
I'm not a gun person, but a rifle is a pretty big gun, right? It's not easily concealed? How did a guy carrying a gun like that end up in the dugout of a baseball field with a bunch of Congresspeople without anyone seeing the gun?
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Not technically illegal to walk around with a big gun in a lot of places, dunno about that specific area. Plus he could have had a duffel bag kinda thing, especially given it's a baseball field, that wouldn't have looked out of place.
The senator NPR had on this morning said they had both a rifle and a gun, and the only reason they had such a quick response was because Scalise was there; if he hadn't been, then the protection detail wouldn't have been there.
As far as I'm aware DC continues to have a ban on the ownership of the type of rifle the shooter is alleged to have used, much less the open carry of such.
They're already trying to tie this to the Russia investigation.
We dont know much. Could have driven there. Could have had a bag. /shrug
Do we even have official confirmation, it is this another Boston situation in the making?
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
WaPo just interviewed a guy from the Quad Cities area in Iowa who was an acquaintance that campaigned together for Bernie, said, "He was this union tradesman, pretty stocky, and we stayed up talking politics ... He was more on the really progressive side of things.”
Edit: From Robert Costa, live feed link (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/2017/live-updates/public-safety/updates-shooting-at-congressional-baseball-practice-in-virginia/)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/2017/live-updates/public-safety/updates-shooting-at-congressional-baseball-practice-in-virginia/majority-leader-says-scalise-is-out-of-surgery/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_axliveblog-835a:prime-time/promo&utm_term=.34ae8debb1f9
if he's out of surgery he's probably ok? I don't know, there hasn't been a report on where exactly he'd been shot
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I thought this was Alexandria, VA, not DC.
Who is? Cite.
Goddamn socialist business owners, trying to steal our wage slaves and paying their taxes!
Like wut?
This, and i'm certain we will be going over the inevitable fallout later, so why not have a thread for it now with events summarized. I know D&D ain't like the Reddit front page with current events, but this event warrants a thread. If this thread is not longer worthwhile, i would be fine see g it locked.
Paul Joseph Watson is a horrible fucking ghoul who has advocated putting his enemies in death camps. He runs Prison Planet.com
WaPo is on top of live updates, under the local newsdesk. Everyone open this up in a tab if you want to stay on top of the latest.
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My bad. Alexandria does have a prohibition on the open carry of "assault weapons", but no outright ban.