yeah this is exactly the sort of setting where a suppressed rifle would have done a lot more damage, too, because it sounds like a lot of people were essentially saved by having time to get to cover
This is the first major domestic incident this year (it's horrible that I have to use so many qualifiers in that sentence...).
I'm terrified of what trump will do
What qualifies as a major domestic incident?
Two Indian guys were shot, one died, and a guy that tried to chase down the assailant was also shot, earlier this year in my neck of the woods.
And the Indian guys were shot because random white old racist guy thought they were Iranians that were taking his job, or some shit
I think the metric is something like 5+ involved for a mass shooting usually.
In any case, this is the first domestic incident this year that Trump has a non-zero chance of responding to. There were also the stabbings in Portland. Stuff like that somehow doesn't make it on his radar.
If the shooter turns out to be a far-right Trumpshirt that was trying to assassinate the Congressman because he wasn't supporting Trump enough, you can bet that Fox will drop the story faster than the terrorist attack against the IRS building (remember that? The guy flying his plane into an IRS building and killing several people? But because he was a white guy that incidence of domestic terrorism just vanished off the radar?)
I remember that guy because it was here in Austin and happened a block from my old apartment. Dude was a left-wing crazy person with mostly incoherent ideas about communism who was in the middle of a divorce and about to lose his plane, nearly the last thing he had.
yeah this is exactly the sort of setting where a suppressed rifle would have done a lot more damage, too, because it sounds like a lot of people were essentially saved by having time to get to cover
If you're talking about the sound, then not really? Suppressors make guns quieter, not quiet.
yeah this is exactly the sort of setting where a suppressed rifle would have done a lot more damage, too, because it sounds like a lot of people were essentially saved by having time to get to cover
I mean, not really. A suppressor doesn't make a firearm silent. The decibel reduction is on the scale of 10-30 when gunshots are ~140-170 decibels, dependent on firearm, cartridge specifications, and suppressor.
This is the first major domestic incident this year (it's horrible that I have to use so many qualifiers in that sentence...).
I'm terrified of what trump will do
What qualifies as a major domestic incident?
Two Indian guys were shot, one died, and a guy that tried to chase down the assailant was also shot, earlier this year in my neck of the woods.
And the Indian guys were shot because random white old racist guy thought they were Iranians that were taking his job, or some shit
I think the metric is something like 5+ involved for a mass shooting usually.
In any case, this is the first domestic incident this year that Trump has a non-zero chance of responding to. There were also the stabbings in Portland. Stuff like that somehow doesn't make it on his radar.
yeah this is exactly the sort of setting where a suppressed rifle would have done a lot more damage, too, because it sounds like a lot of people were essentially saved by having time to get to cover
If you're talking about the sound, then not really? Suppressors make guns quieter, not quiet.
Oh I am well aware of what a suppressed rifle sounds like
the big thing in an urban setting like this is that, at about 100 yards, a suppressor sufficiently muddies the sound to where people can't tell where it's coming from. or, given the general demeanor of Alexandria, if it's gunshots at all (several eyewitnesses interviewed so far said they heard a 'popping noise" or similar and didn't recognize it, even unsuppressed)
edit to get in a response to NSDFRand: 10-30db is still a logarithmic scale and in a place as loud as Alexandria along Route 1, that is a lot of reduction. Goes from Definite Signal to Background Noise.
The high end of that scale is accounting for a manual bolt action rifle, sub sonic ammunition, and a quality suppressor that is "wet". That would likely be the most quiet combination and would probably signify someone who has some level of knowledge, training, and experience in killing people. Which doesn't seem to be the case with most shooters like this.
Other than that the suppressor discussion isn't really relevant so I'll drop it.
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The high end of that scale is accounting for a manual bolt action rifle, sub sonic ammunition, and a quality suppressor that is "wet". That would likely be the most quiet combination and would probably signify someone who has some level of knowledge, training, and experience in killing people. Which doesn't seem to be the case with most shooters like this.
Other than that the suppressor discussion isn't really relevant so I'll drop it.
agreed, all else I have to say about the matter of tactical considerations is I'm glad this guy seems like he was a pretty bad shot
DC has good hospitals, and unfortunately a lot of experience with gunshot trauma so hopefully the only thing to come out of this are a few bionic Congressional staffers.
I... strongly disagree with the policies and politics of some of these people, but I don't want them dead. I'm glad to hear that (so far) there are no fatalities, and hope that the situation resolves without becoming a larger clusterfuck in some fashion.
No, that's not sarcasm, nor do I need to be reminded of this administrations propensity for clusterfucks.
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I... strongly disagree with the policies and politics of some of these people, but I don't want them dead. I'm glad to hear that (so far) there are no fatalities, and hope that the situation resolves without becoming a larger clusterfuck in some fashion.
No, that's not sarcasm, nor do I need to be reminded of this administrations propensity for clusterfucks.
The current political climate skeptic in me says that the clusterfuck is literally in progress from this.
Any attack on an elected official or candidate is corrosive to our democracy. Even beyond the fact that someone targeted it fellow Americans with violence, I'm pretty confident in saying that everyone here is appalled by what happened and happy that there seem to be no deaths.
At some point, they stop being republocrats and everyone is just Americans again, for at least a little while. This is one of those times.
I'd think that with the quality of the people in here, a "I'm happy no one is hurt/dead" preface isn't necessary. Moreover, it's about as useful as "sending thoughts and prayers."
Also, if you don't think this will be used as a political tool, you're naive. Brace yourselves for "the tolerant left."
Also seeing a lot of places that shooter was in his 60s. Early reporting was "middle aged". May or may not currently be in surgery. If that's the case, I hope he lives so we can get some answers.
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Then he filibustered the bill for strengthened background checks.
yeah this is exactly the sort of setting where a suppressed rifle would have done a lot more damage, too, because it sounds like a lot of people were essentially saved by having time to get to cover
They're just canceling all votes, so nothing specific about guns
I think the metric is something like 5+ involved for a mass shooting usually.
In any case, this is the first domestic incident this year that Trump has a non-zero chance of responding to. There were also the stabbings in Portland. Stuff like that somehow doesn't make it on his radar.
I remember that guy because it was here in Austin and happened a block from my old apartment. Dude was a left-wing crazy person with mostly incoherent ideas about communism who was in the middle of a divorce and about to lose his plane, nearly the last thing he had.
There were also the guys who were stabbed standing up for that Muslim girl in ... Washington?
First (of Trump's term) involving a US political figure that I can think of off the top of my head though.
If you're talking about the sound, then not really? Suppressors make guns quieter, not quiet.
I mean, not really. A suppressor doesn't make a firearm silent. The decibel reduction is on the scale of 10-30 when gunshots are ~140-170 decibels, dependent on firearm, cartridge specifications, and suppressor.
Hmmm.
Yes.
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Oh I am well aware of what a suppressed rifle sounds like
the big thing in an urban setting like this is that, at about 100 yards, a suppressor sufficiently muddies the sound to where people can't tell where it's coming from. or, given the general demeanor of Alexandria, if it's gunshots at all (several eyewitnesses interviewed so far said they heard a 'popping noise" or similar and didn't recognize it, even unsuppressed)
edit to get in a response to NSDFRand: 10-30db is still a logarithmic scale and in a place as loud as Alexandria along Route 1, that is a lot of reduction. Goes from Definite Signal to Background Noise.
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Other than that the suppressor discussion isn't really relevant so I'll drop it.
It seems there's reason to believe its unrelated as well from the thread. But it sounds so juicy media will run with it.
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The man he described was wearing running clothes. The shooter was wearing jeans.
agreed, all else I have to say about the matter of tactical considerations is I'm glad this guy seems like he was a pretty bad shot
Well Kellyanne Conway retweeted the claim, so I could see why people picked it up.
And is why people in the administration shouldn't tweet out info before decent confirmation.
Conway does not care:
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If your first reaction to this news was "blah blah blah Republicans," you should probably check yourself for being a goose.
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I don't think anyone has said that?
I... strongly disagree with the policies and politics of some of these people, but I don't want them dead. I'm glad to hear that (so far) there are no fatalities, and hope that the situation resolves without becoming a larger clusterfuck in some fashion.
No, that's not sarcasm, nor do I need to be reminded of this administrations propensity for clusterfucks.
Literally the first response in the thread is about how "gop fuckers" will use this story to advance their "shitty agenda"
No concern for the victims, no acknowledgment that people have a right not to be fucking shot while they pay softball, nothing. It's not a good look.
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And that he appears to be in custody and therefore can be questioned and tried and charged
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The current political climate skeptic in me says that the clusterfuck is literally in progress from this.
At some point, they stop being republocrats and everyone is just Americans again, for at least a little while. This is one of those times.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
to be fair, these are the same people that invented a terrorist attack in bowling green to scare up votes
I'm glad no one is dead, but at the same time, these guys are voting to take away healthcare from babies with cancer
I'm glad no one is dead is the best wishes I'm willing to put forth
Did the congressperson who got shot directly start the bowling green scare fraud himself?
If not, then this is irrelevant.
It's relevant in that incidents like this will be used for political purposes. Or the attempt will be made anyway.
The political dimensions of the incident matter. Though at the moment you can't say anything because we don't know shit about what actually happened.
Also, if you don't think this will be used as a political tool, you're naive. Brace yourselves for "the tolerant left."
Also seeing a lot of places that shooter was in his 60s. Early reporting was "middle aged". May or may not currently be in surgery. If that's the case, I hope he lives so we can get some answers.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
We live in a country where people attempting mass murder is the norm now.