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They already set the core of "thankfully the good guys" were there with the police. Rand Paul's statement. Not sure if this will exactly be a Brady Act 2.0 event. Given the current world and us climate I would say no.
I am going to hug my GF all the more tonight I can tell you that.
Trump uses the sky being blue to attack news media.
The issue I have is that what you are saying effectively is Trump cares about his own party getting attacked, but couldn't bother to care about people of opposing idealogy defending someone he hates dying to someone who supports him. And that's a fucking problem for someone who is god damn president of the united states, and not just the GOP states.
pleasepaypreacher.net
“America has been divided,” said Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), who, suit in tie, stopped by the crime scene to pray, was viscerally angry about his own colleagues being attacked. “And the center of America is disappearing, and the violence is appearing in the streets, and it’s coming from the left.”
“The divisions within the country, people that can’t accept the results of the election that are determined to try to take this country down, take this organization down,” he said. “This city was filled up with demonstrations the day after the inauguration, where you couldn’t drive down the streets. And we’ve had demonstrations every week since then, sometimes different topics.”
Also, I don't super care to speculate on what the political fallout of this will be when we still have basically no info about the shooter and Trump is literally doing his public statement right now. Like, we don't know!
Not that the actual senators are much better but he's a Congressman, not a Senator from Iowa.
Steve King is still human garbage though, has been since long before this.
yeeeep that's what I expected 100%
Ah so he is. Sorry.
Not that most Trumpites would get it, but the nuance is that police should carry guns because they have specific and definable need, are specifically trained in thier use, and there are mechanisms to (theoretically) hold them accountable for their use.
who?
Steve King has always been a loon.
And that narrative SHOULD be easy to demolish with pretty much anything from Giffords up through the train stabbing guy. Unfortunately, one group is way better at it than the other.
I really don't think that justifies calling it a silver lining if he dies of his wounds or is wounded badly enough he cannot return to Congress. You're better than that dude.
I don't want to make light of this inexcusable act, but if this is true it's some real dark comedy.
Agreed. I mean it's true that this only got a quick response because it's "his people," but in this case "his people" is fellow government leadership. If it were the democratic congressional leadership it would also get a quick response, though perhaps of a slightly different flavor, because trump still gonna trump.
I get where Preacher is coming from, but I think a comparison of response time to, say, portland and london, or portland and Orlando, etc, would better demonstrate his point (which I agree with). I don't know how much mileage you'll get argiuong that the government was faster to respond to an attack in high level government officials than any other incident.
Cite? I believe you, but I want to be 101% cwrtain this is real.
the cycle is complete.
Great, we can talk about it then. I'm not into dumping dumb shit people say on Twitter in here the minute it gets tweeted. Especially unsourced speculation.
Shit.
This an argument that has been going since I started coming back here a few years ago and honestly it's become tiring because no one is going to change their minds because this issue is more about political stance.
To sum up the hundreds of posts I've likely dedicated to the subject here:
There already exist restrictions on who can and cannot legally purchase a firearm. And in states in which private sales exist knowingly transferring a firearm to a prohibited person is also a crime. A federal background check system, the NICS (National Instant Criminal Background Check System), and in some states a state equivalent exists.
"Assault Weapons", or semi auto rifles, account for less than .03 3% of firearms homicides. All long arms account for ~300, or 3%.
According to FBI statistics and city UCRs (Uniform Crime Reports) I've dug through and posted here before, ~80% of firearm homicide victims and perpetrators have at least one misdemeanor conviction with 50% having at least one felony. Which makes sense considering the strong drug trade in the US which includes drug gangs murdering members of other gangs over territory, stolen product, revenge for previous killings, and the like.
The majority, according to 2012 National Election Survey findings don't support the implementation of new gun restrictions. Only 65% of self identified Democrats, for example, support further gun restriction. Self identified independents are closer to 40% for 60% against, and self identified Republicans are almost the mirror image of Democrats.
Firearm suicides, which make up 2/3 of firearm deaths, represent only a fraction of total suicide attempts. Firearm suicide just happens to have the highest success rate while representing only a fraction of suicide events (IIRC estimates were 400,000 attempts annually when looking at hospitalizations where suicide is explicitly stated as the cause of injury or inferred to be due to circumstances, firearm suicide has ~95% success rate but accounts for 20,000 of these 400,000 attempts)
Someone who disagrees with the idea that only Law Enforcement should have access to firearms isn't necessarily a "Trumpite". According to 2012 NES that would make 35% of self identified Democrats "Trumpites".
It was in the WaPo article.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/2017/live-updates/public-safety/updates-shooting-at-congressional-baseball-practice-in-virginia/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_axliveblog-835a:prime-time/promo&utm_term=.39150446fc93
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If this is a joke, it's wildly inappropriate.
If it's actually a claim someone's making, source it. Last warning.
I wonder how Rand Paul feels about this 2016 tweet now that he's lived it.
Not justifying the shooting which is awful, but you cannot deny that the man's own language impacts this.
I'm waiting for independent confirmation. Remember, the Pres watches Fox News, who was reporting the shooter dead earlier.
However, I have to give him credit for the rest of his comments. From WaPo:
Thanks. Now that it is Official and in the Public Record, I'd like to respond:
Fuck. That. Miserable. Goose.
Ugh. I've heard this on a different site, too. One that I may have to rethink visiting. Hateful.
reporter for the Daily Beast
those are surprisingly proper and decent remarks
pleasepaypreacher.net
This is the kind of thing conspiracy theories are born from, at least if the main proponents of conspiracy theories weren't already up Trump asshole.
irony is dead.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/2017/live-updates/public-safety/updates-shooting-at-congressional-baseball-practice-in-virginia/law-enforcement-arrive-at-suspects-illinois-home/
This makes it sound like he had personal shit going on too--hasn't been living in the same house as his wife for quite a while?
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