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    TastyfishTastyfish Registered User regular
    You do not seem to have understood the post you were responding too. A 5 foot spear is not a self defence weapon.

    If you mean in the sense of carrying around as a sidearm into a bar or something, sure. But Naginata were absolutely used for one on one combat, and as a self defense weapon in the sense that a shotgun may be a defensive weapon today - like “hey there is a strange guy prowling around the house/standing in the road, let me grab my Naginata and go see what he wants.”

    I that's using an offensive weapon defensively. There's literally no weapon you couldn't use defensively in that context.

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    Mild ConfusionMild Confusion Smash All Things Registered User regular
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    You do not seem to have understood the post you were responding too. A 5 foot spear is not a self defence weapon.

    If you mean in the sense of carrying around as a sidearm into a bar or something, sure. But Naginata were absolutely used for one on one combat, and as a self defense weapon in the sense that a shotgun may be a defensive weapon today - like “hey there is a strange guy prowling around the house/standing in the road, let me grab my Naginata and go see what he wants.”

    I that's using an offensive weapon defensively. There's literally no weapon you couldn't use defensively in that context.

    That’s just what they want you to think.

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    MortiousMortious The Nightmare Begins Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    You do not seem to have understood the post you were responding too. A 5 foot spear is not a self defence weapon.

    If you mean in the sense of carrying around as a sidearm into a bar or something, sure. But Naginata were absolutely used for one on one combat, and as a self defense weapon in the sense that a shotgun may be a defensive weapon today - like “hey there is a strange guy prowling around the house/standing in the road, let me grab my Naginata and go see what he wants.”

    I that's using an offensive weapon defensively. There's literally no weapon you couldn't use defensively in that context.

    Let me introduce you to the American gun culture...

    Which let's me segue into something that's been bothering me about that Feral Hogs tweet. 30-50 and 3-5 adds up to 88.

    Was that just a crypto facist tweet? Was it designed to me crazy and think I am seeing crypto facist shit everywhere?

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    TastyfishTastyfish Registered User regular
    edited November 2019
    Mortious wrote: »
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    You do not seem to have understood the post you were responding too. A 5 foot spear is not a self defence weapon.

    If you mean in the sense of carrying around as a sidearm into a bar or something, sure. But Naginata were absolutely used for one on one combat, and as a self defense weapon in the sense that a shotgun may be a defensive weapon today - like “hey there is a strange guy prowling around the house/standing in the road, let me grab my Naginata and go see what he wants.”

    I that's using an offensive weapon defensively. There's literally no weapon you couldn't use defensively in that context.

    Let me introduce you to the American gun culture...

    Which let's me segue into something that's been bothering me about that Feral Hogs tweet. 30-50 and 3-5 adds up to 88.

    Was that just a crypto facist tweet? Was it designed to me crazy and think I am seeing crypto facist shit everywhere?

    At the level where your adventurers have access to assault weapons, Feral hogs are spawned off a D6 roll in sets of 10, with '1-2' being "you rest easy this night" and a '6' directing you to the 'Bear or Cougar encounter' table.

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    chrisnlchrisnl Registered User regular
    Mortious wrote: »
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    You do not seem to have understood the post you were responding too. A 5 foot spear is not a self defence weapon.

    If you mean in the sense of carrying around as a sidearm into a bar or something, sure. But Naginata were absolutely used for one on one combat, and as a self defense weapon in the sense that a shotgun may be a defensive weapon today - like “hey there is a strange guy prowling around the house/standing in the road, let me grab my Naginata and go see what he wants.”

    I that's using an offensive weapon defensively. There's literally no weapon you couldn't use defensively in that context.

    Let me introduce you to the American gun culture...

    Which let's me segue into something that's been bothering me about that Feral Hogs tweet. 30-50 and 3-5 adds up to 88.

    Was that just a crypto facist tweet? Was it designed to me crazy and think I am seeing crypto facist shit everywhere?

    Yes.

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    PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    You do not seem to have understood the post you were responding too. A 5 foot spear is not a self defence weapon.

    If you mean in the sense of carrying around as a sidearm into a bar or something, sure. But Naginata were absolutely used for one on one combat, and as a self defense weapon in the sense that a shotgun may be a defensive weapon today - like “hey there is a strange guy prowling around the house/standing in the road, let me grab my Naginata and go see what he wants.”

    I that's using an offensive weapon defensively. There's literally no weapon you couldn't use defensively in that context.

    I mean, pretty much anything labeled a "defensive" weapon can be used offensively.

    The line is drawn more on being concealable or easily portable... and even then it's blurry (I've totally seen the argument that a shotgun is defensive)

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    Jealous DevaJealous Deva Registered User regular
    edited November 2019
    Edit: on second thought, nevermind, this isn’t the history or a gun control thread.

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    NeveronNeveron HellValleySkyTree SwedenRegistered User regular
    Mortious wrote: »
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    You do not seem to have understood the post you were responding too. A 5 foot spear is not a self defence weapon.

    If you mean in the sense of carrying around as a sidearm into a bar or something, sure. But Naginata were absolutely used for one on one combat, and as a self defense weapon in the sense that a shotgun may be a defensive weapon today - like “hey there is a strange guy prowling around the house/standing in the road, let me grab my Naginata and go see what he wants.”

    I that's using an offensive weapon defensively. There's literally no weapon you couldn't use defensively in that context.

    Let me introduce you to the American gun culture...

    Which let's me segue into something that's been bothering me about that Feral Hogs tweet. 30-50 and 3-5 adds up to 88.

    Was that just a crypto facist tweet? Was it designed to me crazy and think I am seeing crypto facist shit everywhere?

    From the sound of things, the dude literally just had 30-50 feral hogs repeatedly show up by his home. The Reply All podcast had a good episode on it. (The answer to "how do you stop the hogs", incidentally, seems to be "ban hunting and perform large-scale biological warfare").

    The thing with dogwhistles is that you generally want the actual whistle to be obvious to those in the know. Sometimes a cigar is, in fact, just a cigar. I guess you could go e-stalk the guy and go full internet detective on his social media if you're really curious, but it honestly doesn't sound like it's worth the effort.

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    Vic_HazardVic_Hazard Registered User regular
    You do not seem to have understood the post you were responding too. A 5 foot spear is not a self defence weapon.

    If you mean in the sense of carrying around as a sidearm into a bar or something, sure. But Naginata were absolutely used for one on one combat, and as a self defense weapon in the sense that a shotgun may be a defensive weapon today - like “hey there is a strange guy prowling around the house/standing in the road, let me grab my Naginata and go see what he wants.”

    An AA12 is also a great weapon to have in that circumstance but people are gonna look at you weird/call for cops if you go to market with one. In the same way just walking around town with a pollaxe would be extremely taboo, because you sure seem to be gearing up for some murder.

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    Caulk Bite 6Caulk Bite 6 One of the multitude of Dans infesting this place Registered User regular
    Bernie has either started moisturizing better, or he’s been replaced by a slightly younger lookalike

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    CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    Oh no, someone ironed Bernie!

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    Metzger MeisterMetzger Meister It Gets Worse before it gets any better.Registered User regular
    That picture made me laugh super hard when I first saw it because like, I was a theatre major, and I could definitely achieve that same youthful smoothness with Bernie with some lighting and like BASIC makeup techniques.

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    FANTOMASFANTOMAS Flan ArgentavisRegistered User regular
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    That picture made me laugh super hard when I first saw it because like, I was a theatre major, and I could definitely achieve that same youthful smoothness with Bernie with some lighting and like BASIC makeup techniques.

    Bernie did it with only one can of socialism.

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    Metzger MeisterMetzger Meister It Gets Worse before it gets any better.Registered User regular
    FANTOMAS wrote: »
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    That picture made me laugh super hard when I first saw it because like, I was a theatre major, and I could definitely achieve that same youthful smoothness with Bernie with some lighting and like BASIC makeup techniques.

    Bernie did it with only one can of socialism.

    does the body good, baby 8-)

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    CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    Also Botox exists??

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    painfulPleasancepainfulPleasance The First RepublicRegistered User regular
    edited November 2019
    The producers got so good at making smooth bernos that they're up to sixty a second.

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    Mr RayMr Ray Sarcasm sphereRegistered User regular
    Super late to the party, but I was under the impression that the key difference between a knife and a dagger/sword is the number of blades, i.e, a knife is sharp on one edge and flat on the other, but a sword/dagger is sharp on both edges. If you look at the picture posted a page back you can see that only one edge is sharp, so this is definitely a "knife", albeit an enormous one. Historically "War Knives" were mostly a "budget" weapon; you can take advantage of the flat edge to do a two-handed block bare-handed, but that's not really much of an advantage compared having twice as many cutty bits. The real advantage is that only having to sharpen half of it means they're cheaper and quicker to make than a regular sword, and I guess as we've discovered, being able to own a thing that is basically a sword but legally doesn't count as one could also be a factor!

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    Lord_AsmodeusLord_Asmodeus goeticSobriquet: Here is your magical cryptic riddle-tumour: I AM A TIME MACHINERegistered User regular
    There are a lot of single bladed swords though, that are definitely swords. Like Scimitars. And Falchions. And Katanas. Etc.

    I mean the phrase 'a double edged sword' would be sort of oxymoronic were that a defining characteristic of swords, instead of merely a potential one.

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    GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    Depends on where you are and how the regulations worked. In some places a “sword” would be double edged because that ia what the law banning swords banned.

    In some places it would cover single edged blades. Hence why axe gangs were a thing in China.

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    Mr RayMr Ray Sarcasm sphereRegistered User regular
    Goumindong wrote: »
    Depends on where you are and how the regulations worked. In some places a “sword” would be double edged because that ia what the law banning swords banned.

    In some places it would cover single edged blades. Hence why axe gangs were a thing in China.

    Ah yes, I remember this from the historical documentary, Kung Fu Hustle.

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    Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    Mr Ray wrote: »
    Goumindong wrote: »
    Depends on where you are and how the regulations worked. In some places a “sword” would be double edged because that ia what the law banning swords banned.

    In some places it would cover single edged blades. Hence why axe gangs were a thing in China.

    Ah yes, I remember this from the historical documentary, Kung Fu Hustle.

    It's the perfect historical film for explaining who is throwing handles.

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    Caulk Bite 6Caulk Bite 6 One of the multitude of Dans infesting this place Registered User regular
    Not strictly on topic, but I feel like this belongs here

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    TastyfishTastyfish Registered User regular
    I'd trade climate change for mind control in a heartbeat, but it's not like we have any choice in the matter.

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    NobeardNobeard North Carolina: Failed StateRegistered User regular
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    I'd trade climate change for mind control in a heartbeat, but it's not like we have any choice in the matter.

    It's quaint that you don't think we already have both. Wake up, sheeple!

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    HevachHevach Registered User regular
    The majority of chemtrailers are climate change deniers. In their version, climate change is a literal hoax, they're making it happen so they'll be heroes when they fix it (at great expense that's really just handed to rich people).

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    Mild ConfusionMild Confusion Smash All Things Registered User regular
    So remember that Sonic the Hedgehog movie that’s coming out that got severe backlash for how horrific Sonic looked?

    Well Sonic has been redesigned to look much better and there’s chatter on the interwebs that Sonic was designed badly on purpose as a conspiracy in order to generate public outrage. Then when they “fix” Sonic’s appearance, everyone would be so grateful and invested, they will watch the movie out of personal obligation because they helped “fix it” and the new Sonic design is their reward.

    It’s actually a pretty ingenious idea since I doubt a Sonic movie would have done well and adding a non-offensive “controversy” that gets people invested would be interesting if true.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.radiotimes.com/news/film/2019-11-14/sonic-the-hedgehog-new-look-theory/amp/

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kWrsF-SBrqY

    Oh!

    One more thing.

    I predicted this exact thing back in May:
    My personal conspiracy theory regarding the Sonic movie is that they purposely made him look like ass in order to get the nerds to have a meltdown, then they can act like heroes when they “fix” him and then since everyone got so involved, they can rely on the sunk cost fallacy to ensure everyone watches it and they make a bajillion dollars even though the movie is probably gonna be narrative poop from a butt.

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited December 2019
    No, that's ridiculous. What happened is that some suits high up decided on what Sonic should look like and ignored any voices speaking to the contrary, and the artists whose job it is to animate what they are told to animate followed their orders.

    EDIT: And then when the backlash they were warned about happened, the suits went back to the people who warned them and shouted at them "WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL US THIS WOULD HAPPEN?"

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    Linespider5Linespider5 ALL HAIL KING KILLMONGER Registered User regular
    Every once in a great while I hear the theory that a marketing or promotion effort was a conspiracy. I mean, sure, that happens, but not in the fantastical ways people outside of a given industry tend to dress things up. Like the belief that Nintendo wouldn’t really call their new system the Wii, that it was a fake name to get attention and a much cooler name would come later. That was totally a thing.

    It all just feels too...adventurous and inefficient, for a business venture to put serious resources towards a false version of their product rather than focusing on making their intended product as good as possible and communicating it as clearly as they can to the public.

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    TastyfishTastyfish Registered User regular
    Every once in a great while I hear the theory that a marketing or promotion effort was a conspiracy. I mean, sure, that happens, but not in the fantastical ways people outside of a given industry tend to dress things up. Like the belief that Nintendo wouldn’t really call their new system the Wii, that it was a fake name to get attention and a much cooler name would come later. That was totally a thing.

    It all just feels too...adventurous and inefficient, for a business venture to put serious resources towards a false version of their product rather than focusing on making their intended product as good as possible and communicating it as clearly as they can to the public.

    Or that is started that way, but then everyone just called it that anyway and it seemed the name was fine.

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    NeveronNeveron HellValleySkyTree SwedenRegistered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    No, that's ridiculous. What happened is that some suits high up decided on what Sonic should look like and ignored any voices speaking to the contrary, and the artists whose job it is to animate what they are told to animate followed their orders.

    EDIT: And then when the backlash they were warned about happened, the suits went back to the people who warned them and shouted at them "WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL US THIS WOULD HAPPEN?"

    My understanding is that they knew it would be unpopular with Sonic fans, but the suits figured that Sonic fans would watch the movie either way and that the more "realistic" take would be more popular with mainstream audiences.

    The second half was where they fucked up, since even mainstream media had "Jesus Christ, that Sonic is horrifying" as their main narrative about the film.

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    Mild ConfusionMild Confusion Smash All Things Registered User regular
    On purpose or not, I guarantee you that if Sonic looked fine from the beginning, the movie wouldn’t do as well as it will now because of the outrage.

    Before it was just another nostalgic filled cash grab, now it’s a nostalgic filled cash grab that got the internet invested. More people will watch it because they think they fixed it.

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    OptyOpty Registered User regular
    The Sonic conspiracy is debunked by the fact they put out old-model movie Sonic Halloween costumes this past Halloween. If it was all a trick, why waste the money making those?

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    Mild ConfusionMild Confusion Smash All Things Registered User regular
    Opty wrote: »
    The Sonic conspiracy is debunked by the fact they put out old-model movie Sonic Halloween costumes this past Halloween. If it was all a trick, why waste the money making those?

    They’re that dedicated.

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    HevachHevach Registered User regular
    The general aesthetic of the movie seems to fit bad Sonic better than the redesign. The discrepancy is easily explained away since this is a dimension hopping story and they can invoke the Star Trek crossover logic that different settings just look different like that and retain their distinct special effects when brought together.

    This wasn't an especially expensive change in the grand scheme. The movie was still in post, it's typical in CGI heavy movies that the first trailer represents nearly all of the actually completed effects and the rest of the movie if viewed in order would be a mess of green screens and mocap suits and wires and visible crew and shit.

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    HevachHevach Registered User regular
    On purpose or not, I guarantee you that if Sonic looked fine from the beginning, the movie wouldn’t do as well as it will now because of the outrage.

    Before it was just another nostalgic filled cash grab, now it’s a nostalgic filled cash grab that got the internet invested. More people will watch it because they think they fixed it.

    There are good examples of a product being ruined and ending up more popular after being fixed.

    Most of them are the subject of some version of this theory, but in reality very few were actually on purpose, because capitalism is dominated by short term thinking, and even the big success stories like Burger King's fries (actually on purpose) and New Coke (accidental) sparked existential crises for their companies.

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    jothkijothki Registered User regular
    If the new model has similar geometry to the original, it may just be a matter of replacing the model and rerendering all of the scenes it's in. As long as nothing breaks, the existing choreography can remain completely intact.

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    Kipling217Kipling217 Registered User regular
    One Conspiracy theory regarding Movies was that the Creepy Clown epidemic we had a few years ago was a part of Guerrilla Marketing for IT. Too make people remember that they HATE Clowns.

    the Campaign was never revealed since people actually started copycatting the actual clowns and the media buzz was "who is responsible for these Psychos"? The studio ended it to avoid law-suits.

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    Mild ConfusionMild Confusion Smash All Things Registered User regular
    I was mostly joking because I found the “controversy” just a wee bit overblown and seeing how invested people got made me think it’d be a good marketing ploy to get people committed to watching the movie.

    I know it’s not, but it’s fun to think about.

    That said, I was looking it up and all the footage from the initial trailer was mostly test footage from the animation company and the studio put it in a trailer to gage reaction, which they obviously got in spades. So while none of this was on purpose, they did indeed put out the trailer to gage reactions and make adjustments to the CG if necessary. Almost none of Sonic aside from the original trailer was completed at the time and it was relatively cheap to fix (by cheap I mean 5 million dollars compared to the estimated 35 million they thought it would cost to redo a completed film’s CG).

    Though from what I read, releasing initial CG scenes with the trailer before the movie is complete is fairly common.

    So I say it’s half true. They didn’t make a bad Sonic on purpose to generate outrage, but they did purposely focus test Sonic’s design on the public with plans to change him if necessary.

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    TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    You don't spend money on a AAA star like Jim Carey just to fuck it up on purpose.

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