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    38thDoe38thDoe lets never be stupid again wait lets always be stupid foreverRegistered User regular
    Auralynx wrote: »
    38thDoe wrote: »
    Wife beat me at Splendor last night so now she loves it.
    Friend is going to bring over Xia: Drift Galaxy tonight, and that sounds pretty interesting from what I've heard of it so I hope its fun.

    I've played Xia once and thought it was all right; if Friend knows it better than you, expect them to win and just play to learn, though. It's the kind of game where knowing what you're trying to execute on before you get rolling helps substantially.

    Turns out Friend hadn't ever played the game due to confounding rules. We all muddled through a 5 FP game together and the game was a bit plodding in the first few rounds, once we determined that you could use impulse and engines in the same round, and then later you could use engines 3 times per round we had a much better time. We didn't play with NPC ships or evil missions and no one equipped a weapon. I was a trader and saved up for the ship that can warp hexes which was super fun to fly around. We all left wanting to play again though. The painted ships are really cool.

    Those rules though, they'd make Arkham Horror proud. Important details are mentioned in an off hand way pages from their section. I don't know.

    Finally got to win Splendor. My wife constantly wants to play again so that's cool. Also Brass Birmingham will arrive on Wednesday! Ordered for Miniature market for ten dollars cheaper than amazon right before they went out of stock on it.

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    admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    I got a local trade offer for my Dungeon Lords for his Brass: Lancashire and I'm pretty excited about that.

    Mostly because it'll get the giant fuckin' Anniversary Edition box off my shelf for something that fits into a standard Kallax.

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    38thDoe38thDoe lets never be stupid again wait lets always be stupid foreverRegistered User regular
    I've only played Dungeon Lords and Dungeon Pets here play by post and while I remember really loving the mechanics of worker placement (You get different results based on assigned order and first isn't always the best) , I also remember the dungeon building and siege game being overly complicated. Now my local shop has it and I'm wondering if its worth trying to teach my group. They both max at four right? Four is such a tight number.

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    admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    38thDoe wrote: »
    I've only played Dungeon Lords and Dungeon Pets here play by post and while I remember really loving the mechanics of worker placement (You get different results based on assigned order and first isn't always the best) , I also remember the dungeon building and siege game being overly complicated. Now my local shop has it and I'm wondering if its worth trying to teach my group. They both max at four right? Four is such a tight number.

    I think they're both easier to teach than the heaviness and weirdness of the mechanics would indicate, but the flip side of that is they are very unforgiving. The siege and pet raising games are both tricky and can go wrong very badly. I would say they're as tight as Agricola, but where Agricola has the axe of hunger hanging over your head at all times, in Lords/Petz you don't know you're fucked until it's too late.

    I'm only trading Lords because I own both Lords and Petz and they occupy a similar space for games, but I slightly prefer Petz.

    And yeah they both max at 4.

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    38thDoe38thDoe lets never be stupid again wait lets always be stupid foreverRegistered User regular
    edited October 2018
    Hmm everything always seems to get compared to Agricola. I suppose I should play it at some point so I have a basis for comparison. Thanks for your thoughts.
    I'll see how it goes teaching Birmingham and go from there.

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    JonBobJonBob Registered User regular
    Things get compared to Agricola for the same reason they get compared to Dominion. Seminal entries for their primary mechanisms, and very influential. They also happen to be very good games, and you'll find lots of adherents, and probably just as many people who think they are eclipsed by the games they inspired.

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    ElvenshaeElvenshae Registered User regular
    Elvenshae wrote: »
    It's my birfday weekend!

    My family is hitting up the Renaissance Festival and then having a sleepover party at my best friend's house. The kids will be going to bed semi-immediately, in all likelihood, and then we are going to play so many games until, like the tired adults we are, we fall asleep at, like, 2330, tops.

    I'm bringing, uh, X-Wing 2.0 - all of it - Sprawopolis, Mint Works, Coup, Love Letter, Exploding Kittens, and Hardback. They have a nontrivial collection, too.

    Cannot. Wait.

    Birfday update:

    The Renaissance Festival in Maryland has seriously upped their jousting game since the last time I was there. The kids loved it. The archery tent was super fun - even if the arrows are definitely showing their "last weekend of the season" and the overhang to prevent you shooting into the sky is too low for someone above-average-height to reliably shoot the far targets. My oldest, though, who did archery for the first time this summer in Cub Scout camp was able to reliably hit his target by the end of our 18 arrows apiece.

    We started the game festivities with Exploding Kittens, which is a better game to play as an ice breaker when you haven't already spent the day together. :D

    Then we did Sprawlopolis, and we missed the win by, like, 8 points. Our rules combo was Tourist Trap (put commercial on the outside), Suburbia (parks near big residential = good; industrial near big residential = bad), and ... I forget the name, Bloom something? ... (exactly 3 parks in a row or column = point; 0 parks in a row or column = deduction). We ended with something ridiculous like 20 roads, so fixing that next time will be the key. We actually came surprisingly close to winning, given that it was our first real "not just putting things down to see how this works" game and we had a 30-point (ish) goal.

    At this point, 2300, my wife gave up and went to bed. She'd actually been falling asleep throughout the last couple of turns of Sprawlopolis; I guess staying up late to bake cookies and make pumpkin pie makes it hard to play. (Also, we were all pretty tired, since work has been butts for all of us.)

    Then we played X-Wing, using quick-build rules. I brought all my Rebels and Imperials, figuring the Scum would've been overkill (also, it's hard to transport your entire collection once it gets to the size mine has). I gave them first pick, and they naturally chose the badguys. So Darth Vader and two TIE Fighter escorts go up against Luke, Biggs, and Wedge. Thematically, Biggs ate it, but Luke and Wedge managed to carry the day. I made a couple of rules goofs - torpedoes / missiles spent target locks when attacking which they aren't supposed to do anymore; I forgot Wedge had Outmaneuver for most of the fight because who puts Outmaneuver on an X-Wing amiright? - but we all had a blast. Biggs largely died because he was stressed and picked up a console fire, and then couldn't clear the stress or the furball so that he could put out the fire, and then Vader put a couple into him to seal the deal.

    Worst part is I was so into the game that I forgot to take pictures.

    Then, it was, like, late, so it was bedtime. Which was good, because my youngest woke up 2x that night, and then both of the kiddos were up at 0-dark-thirty.

    The Bad Guys:
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    •“Night Beast” - Obsidian Two
    Predator
    Shield Upgrade
    Hull Upgrade

    TIE/ln Fighter - •Seyn Marana - 2
    •Seyn Marana - Inferno Four
    Marksmanship
    Afterburners

    TIE Advanced x1 - •Darth Vader - 4
    •Darth Vader - Black Leader
    Supernatural Reflexes
    Fire-Control System
    Cluster Missiles
    Shield Upgrade
    Afterburners

    Threat: 8/8

    The Good Guys
    T-65 X-Wing - •Biggs Darklighter - 2
    •Biggs Darklighter - Red Three
    Selfless
    Servomotor S-Foils

    T-65 X-Wing - •Luke Skywalker - 3
    •Luke Skywalker - Red Five
    Instinctive Aim
    Servomotor S-Foils
    R2-D2 (Astromech)
    Proton Torpedoes

    T-65 X-Wing - •Wedge Antilles - 3
    •Wedge Antilles - Red Two
    Outmaneuver
    Servomotor S-Foils
    R4 Astromech
    Shield Upgrade
    Proton Torpedoes

    Threat: 8/8

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    DashuiDashui Registered User regular
    admanb wrote: »
    I got a local trade offer for my Dungeon Lords for his Brass: Lancashire and I'm pretty excited about that.

    Mostly because it'll get the giant fuckin' Anniversary Edition box off my shelf for something that fits into a standard Kallax.

    PSA: It's worth checking out the BGG trade market for deals, too. I snagged a brand new, Kickstarter edition of Brass: Birmingham for $50. It was legit.

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    admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Dashui wrote: »
    admanb wrote: »
    I got a local trade offer for my Dungeon Lords for his Brass: Lancashire and I'm pretty excited about that.

    Mostly because it'll get the giant fuckin' Anniversary Edition box off my shelf for something that fits into a standard Kallax.

    PSA: It's worth checking out the BGG trade market for deals, too. I snagged a brand new, Kickstarter edition of Brass: Birmingham for $50. It was legit.

    Nice! Definitely something to keep an eye on, but right now I'm avoiding buying the bigger games on my want list as my priorities go clean out my collection > get new games.

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    captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    I played the Game of Thrones board game yesterday. The FFG, dudes on a map one. I won! As Greyjoy. I realized after a few turns that ships are crazy good and no one cared to fight in me in the sea, even though Lannister could have. Wherever men can smell salt water or hear the crash of waves is my domain.

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    MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    I’d love to hear @Cerberus thoughts on the decline of Netrunner.

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    Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    edited October 2018
    oh god wait what, today was the last day of Netrunner? I thought it was this Friday!

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    I thought there was time...

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    AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    That article pretty much summed up my feelings. Netrunner will always have a special place in my heart, as it was the game that got me out of my shell, attending tourneys, organizing things, etc. I will buy anything Lukas produces sight unseen. But I have a complete game. And i'm happy with that.

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    CerberusCerberus Registered User regular
    MNC Dover wrote: »
    I’d love to hear @Cerberus thoughts on the decline of Netrunner.

    Netrunner is an amazing game and I am extremely sad it has gone. It has given me some of the best moments of my life and I've made some of the best friends. I'm not currently planning on doing fan run events. Not because I don't believe it will be good, but because I'm so happy with Netrunner and don't want to ruin its place in my life. I may change my mind in future, but right now I think I'm closing the door on an awesome part of my life. I predict I will make a few events to keep in touch with friends and the community, but my competitive days are probably done.

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    BigPointyTeethBigPointyTeeth run away! run away! MinnesotaRegistered User regular
    I just found out my local place is doing a pre-release event for Keyforge! I guess I know how I'm spending the last of my store credit.

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    WearingglassesWearingglasses Of the friendly neighborhood variety Registered User regular
    edited October 2018
    Oh yeah, Eurotrip haul:

    - Notre Dame (in a shop near Notre Dame, no less!)
    - Alhambra expansions 4 and 6
    - Base game of Bohnanza (3-5 players)
    - not Ginkgopolis, because it's out of print
    - also not Glen More, because it's also out of print (a shop owner kindly suggested Isle of Skye, but seeing as that's available in my home, I didn't get it)

    I should have grabbed that copy of Diamant when I saw it in France. I didn't see it afterwards in any other game store I went to.

    Edit: Is Glen More really that good of a game? Or are there games that can scratch a similar itch?

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    Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    Played my second game of Inis tonight, that game is really really good but I can already see how the expansion is going to make it way better

    also was shown Citadels, which I think is pretty neat, sort of a nice simple drafting game with a little bit of hidden role mechanics

    I continue to slowly improve at Yomi, I won for the first time! Master Midori can really hit Setsuki crazy hard, I'll say

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    BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    Mr. G wrote: »

    I played 12 games of it
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    with my brother I did not know he played it's previous incarnation and had a sour opinion of it {from both the people he played and of the game itself} I had a few of the expansions but still those 12 games were basically forced

    It ended up in the pile of well it was a nice idea. Yes X wing ended up there because I really wanted something more than just a game I wanted a reason. Missions or something! a champaign!
    When you find out how the sausage is made you kind of lose interest in it

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    ArcticLancerArcticLancer Best served chilled. Registered User regular
    Mr. G wrote: »
    Played my second game of Inis tonight, that game is really really good but I can already see how the expansion is going to make it way better

    also was shown Citadels, which I think is pretty neat, sort of a nice simple drafting game with a little bit of hidden role mechanics

    I continue to slowly improve at Yomi, I won for the first time! Master Midori can really hit Setsuki crazy hard, I'll say

    Oh yeah? Do tell.

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    StragintStragint Do Not Gift Always DeclinesRegistered User regular
    Cantido wrote: »
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    The Dark Souls board game was 50% off on Amazon. felt like the deal was too good to not take advantage.

    My kickstarter additions just arrived, still sealed, if you can take them off my hands. (Gaping Dragon and Darkroot)

    But please figure out if you have the capacity to even enjoy DS before you make a decision.

    I absolutely love Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, and Bloodborne and I've only heard good things about the board game. Only downside I've seen is the $160 price tag.

    How many expansions are there?

    Too many. Far too many.

    You may want to house-rule the inventory deck. Go on BGG and see what others have done. I sold the game to a charity for a 30% cut because it was not my cup of tea.

    Really seems like they are milking the game for all that they can. That is a crazy amount of paid expansions.

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    Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    Mr. G wrote: »
    Played my second game of Inis tonight, that game is really really good but I can already see how the expansion is going to make it way better

    also was shown Citadels, which I think is pretty neat, sort of a nice simple drafting game with a little bit of hidden role mechanics

    I continue to slowly improve at Yomi, I won for the first time! Master Midori can really hit Setsuki crazy hard, I'll say

    Oh yeah? Do tell.

    So some of the things it adds:

    - a new clan to make it a 5-player game, which is very nice because most often my group is exactly 5 people
    - new territory cards that act as coasts & ports, which become new edges of the map that cannot be expanded past, but coasts are all considered adjacent and can be moved between
    - the new drafting cards added for the fifth player all involve player interactions (ex: a card that allows you to move, but also allows to to take an enemy clan with you; it'll start a clash, but it could be a clash you both agreed to start)
    - generally prevents people from just running off to the corners and being left alone
    - a new seasons mechanic: each round is a different season (ex: any card you play also lets you move), changing the value of your cards and making them better suited for proper season timing (another season forbids attacks from action cards during it, but not attacks that are started from Epic Tale cards)

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    DissociaterDissociater Registered User regular
    So I built a gaming table. It took me about 2-3 weeks, a lot of work, trial and error and about $400 CAD to build. It's imperfect, but I'm pretty damn proud of it.

    The panels on top can be removed and there's about a 2-3 inch recess inside which I'm going to cover in neoprene this week as the gaming surface.
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    CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    Mr. G wrote: »
    Mr. G wrote: »
    Played my second game of Inis tonight, that game is really really good but I can already see how the expansion is going to make it way better

    also was shown Citadels, which I think is pretty neat, sort of a nice simple drafting game with a little bit of hidden role mechanics

    I continue to slowly improve at Yomi, I won for the first time! Master Midori can really hit Setsuki crazy hard, I'll say

    Oh yeah? Do tell.

    So some of the things it adds:

    - a new clan to make it a 5-player game, which is very nice because most often my group is exactly 5 people
    - new territory cards that act as coasts & ports, which become new edges of the map that cannot be expanded past, but coasts are all considered adjacent and can be moved between
    - the new drafting cards added for the fifth player all involve player interactions (ex: a card that allows you to move, but also allows to to take an enemy clan with you; it'll start a clash, but it could be a clash you both agreed to start)
    - generally prevents people from just running off to the corners and being left alone
    - a new seasons mechanic: each round is a different season (ex: any card you play also lets you move), changing the value of your cards and making them better suited for proper season timing (another season forbids attacks from action cards during it, but not attacks that are started from Epic Tale cards)

    I like Inis but I don't fully understand it yet. I'll have to play it some more.

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    AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    I didn't know Inis was getting an expansion. Interesting! I'll need to preorder that.

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    mysticjuicermysticjuicer [he/him] I'm a muscle wizard and I cast P U N C HRegistered User regular
    Mr. G wrote: »
    I continue to slowly improve at Yomi, I won for the first time! Master Midori can really hit Setsuki crazy hard, I'll say

    I love Midori. :biggrin:

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    FairchildFairchild Rabbit used short words that were easy to understand, like "Hello Pooh, how about Lunch ?" Registered User regular
    Speaking of expansions, the GLOOMHAVEN expansion "Forgotten Circles" is available for Pre-Order: https://app.crowdox.com/get/gloomhaven-forgotten-circles

    I don't think they plan to Kickstart it.

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    38thDoe38thDoe lets never be stupid again wait lets always be stupid foreverRegistered User regular
    Played Reef last night. Really fun simple little game where you construct a coral reef on a 4x4 board. Each turn you either pick a card or play a card. Hand limit of 4. The cards all allow you to place 2 types of coral and at the same time score coral but almost always a different type. You can stack the coral up to four high. You can choose from three cards or pay a VP to get one of the deck.

    Also played Five Tribes which is a game about picking up meeples on coasters and putting them back down. Its set collection and area control and math and bidding with VP for turn order and is very AP inducing. You can't really plan ahead too well because everyone always messes with your moves. Also how is there a tribe of elders? Born old? Questionable. I misunderstood how the Vizirs were scored(thought they were ten each if you had the most, they were 1 each. Oops) Hard game to play with people of different skill levels I think.

    Finished with a game of Nusfjord (sp). I continue to be happy with this purchase. The three decks are so different. Played with Mackerel deck last night which seems to feature weird and low VP buildings in general. I love the building that goes in the fishing track though.

    Got advise from one of the people to not sell anything in the auction, sell on BGG and amazon. Seems like so much work though. Its a curse to be so lazy. I don't even know how I'd sell Arkham/Dunwich/Black Goat of the Woods since they are all combined.

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    PowerpuppiesPowerpuppies drinking coffee in the mountain cabinRegistered User regular
    i love five tribes

    last time we played somebody set up a baller turn when he was going to bid last

    the guy before me bid 8 so i bid 12 and he bid 18 and took his 20 point turn :mad:

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    initiatefailureinitiatefailure Registered User regular
    I've only played five tribes once but it went from this game seems light and fun to this is cutthroat mancala very quickly and I loved the hell out of it and really should pick it up at some point

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    It's been so long since I played Five Tribes, I really need to give it another go.

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    ChaosHatChaosHat Hop, hop, hop, HA! Trick of the lightRegistered User regular
    Five Tribes is shockingly cutthroat. My wife really loves the game but I'm pretty lukewarm on it. I think it takes too long for what should be a pretty light game and the reason is basically 100% AP. The possibility space is so big, and it's even worse in two players when you can be trying to line up a double move. I think it's literally a 2, 2.5 hour game which is too long for what it is I think.

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    Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    My group wants to pull out Viticulture, anyone have experience with it? It looks pretty neat

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    A Half Eaten OreoA Half Eaten Oreo Registered User regular
    Mr. G wrote: »
    My group wants to pull out Viticulture, anyone have experience with it? It looks pretty neat

    If you have Tuscany I recommend using it. 4 worker placement seasons feels better than 2. For first game I tend to leave out the "special workers" module, and depending the group the area control module.

    I think it's a fun clean worker placement game.

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    AstaerethAstaereth In the belly of the beastRegistered User regular
    Played that The Others: Seven Sins game and was not impressed. One v. All games have all the same problems—either the one doesn’t have interesting choices or everybody else waits while the one plays half the game. Seven Sins is the former, and even though I won it never felt like I had enough to do. It’s also clearly a game that could have been a full co-op with an easily automated system controlling the bad guys. Neat miniatures, but even by Ameritrash standards this is not great.

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    RiemannLivesRiemannLives Registered User regular
    PMAvers wrote: »
    https://www.shutupandsitdown.com/paul-is-moving-to-pastures-new/

    Well, that’s not something I was expecting today.

    this sounds like good news for Paul. Seems like he is going to get to do some stuff he has really been wanting to.

    I just hope SU&SD can find someone else with his good taste in games. Otherwise we'll get stuck with them pushing nothing but "games about talking" that the ultra-extrovert quinns loves.

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    admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    PMAvers wrote: »
    https://www.shutupandsitdown.com/paul-is-moving-to-pastures-new/

    Well, that’s not something I was expecting today.

    this sounds like good news for Paul. Seems like he is going to get to do some stuff he has really been wanting to.

    I just hope SU&SD can find someone else with his good taste in games. Otherwise we'll get stuck with them pushing nothing but "games about talking" that the ultra-extrovert quinns loves.

    kinda seems like you haven't watched Quinns review a game in the last two years

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    DirtmuncherDirtmuncher Registered User regular
    admanb wrote: »
    PMAvers wrote: »
    https://www.shutupandsitdown.com/paul-is-moving-to-pastures-new/

    Well, that’s not something I was expecting today.

    this sounds like good news for Paul. Seems like he is going to get to do some stuff he has really been wanting to.

    I just hope SU&SD can find someone else with his good taste in games. Otherwise we'll get stuck with them pushing nothing but "games about talking" that the ultra-extrovert quinns loves.

    kinda seems like you haven't watched Quinns review a game in the last two years

    Quin should do a "cosmic encounter actually is a dud for most people" review.
    In my opinion Paul is more into "dry" games than Quin. But I only watched reviews and don't actually know or have played games with him.

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    PowerpuppiesPowerpuppies drinking coffee in the mountain cabinRegistered User regular
    Astaereth wrote: »
    Played that The Others: Seven Sins game and was not impressed. One v. All games have all the same problems—either the one doesn’t have interesting choices or everybody else waits while the one plays half the game. Seven Sins is the former, and even though I won it never felt like I had enough to do. It’s also clearly a game that could have been a full co-op with an easily automated system controlling the bad guys. Neat miniatures, but even by Ameritrash standards this is not great.

    yeah i had a ton of fun with it but it was such a weird day i knew i couldn't tell if the game had any actual value or not

    we played against sloth and there looked like there might be some interesting choices of when you run away with the target monsters while attacking with your nontarget monsters

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    AuralynxAuralynx Darkness is a perspective Watching the ego workRegistered User regular
    Astaereth wrote: »
    Played that The Others: Seven Sins game and was not impressed. One v. All games have all the same problems—either the one doesn’t have interesting choices or everybody else waits while the one plays half the game. Seven Sins is the former, and even though I won it never felt like I had enough to do. It’s also clearly a game that could have been a full co-op with an easily automated system controlling the bad guys. Neat miniatures, but even by Ameritrash standards this is not great.

    yeah i had a ton of fun with it but it was such a weird day i knew i couldn't tell if the game had any actual value or not

    we played against sloth and there looked like there might be some interesting choices of when you run away with the target monsters while attacking with your nontarget monsters

    My group's experience with it was that it was overwhelmingly more fun / interesting for the guy playing the bad guys than the humans.

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