Honestly an aspect that could come into play because of all the open blatant murders in front of civilians is its exposing the continental/high table to the plebs too much. Like the Table has to deal with it because like state and federal governments can't ignore the 250+ john has killed. "Guys sort your shit out its spilling into the real world."
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Yeah, I don't get non-binary. Like, I don't judge it, you do you. But I also didn't pick up on it at all, and when I see posts about my reaction is "What?"
The daughter is that ballet dancer which was prominently focused on
Doubtful, like that lady seems to be the kind of person you end up with when you don't have other options. I really doubt the boogeyman did that. If anything we'll see Charon has a daughter and there you go.
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Honestly I never heard of the actor before this and had no idea either until I read stuff about the movie after seeing it. I'm not sure how one would convey that information within the movie without it being hamfisted.
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It really fits with the adjudicator as a force of nature.
Enjoyed the adjucator being non-binary. Always nice to have representation on the screen (though I'm a very male presenting non binary myself. You can't take my beard, damnit).
Loved the use of color and light - I think I'd have liked a daylight fight or two though?
The shinboi were great and nicely spooky/threatening. Zero was such an adorably disturbing fanboy.
Really liked the armored mooks too, and the way the armor actually you know... Worked like armor. Without them being untouchable either.
Honestly I never heard of the actor before this and had no idea either until I read stuff about the movie after seeing it. I'm not sure how one would convey that information within the movie without it being hamfisted.
Yeah it wasn't referenced in the film at all.
Like, it's great that they are willing to publicly state that this is the case with the character. But it's not information that's presented in the movie itself. So it has a bit of a J.K. Rowling feel, even though they should at least get credit for saying something while the movie is actually in theaters.
"JK Rowling it" is saying something that was obviously not present during the actual creation of the product as truth long after the fact as ad-hoc "representation."
Even though it was never explicitly stated by characters in the film, the Adjudicator was known to the cast and crew as non-binary during production of the film.
Not everything has to be spelled out in the text if it's not relevant to the story. We don't know the orientations of a lot of the characters. It wasn't a big deal*, they were just there being who they were and performing their role in the story like anyone else.
JK Rowling makes up stuff after the fact and acts like it's representation.
*E: to their character's role in the story, I should clarify.
I'm not sure how one would convey that information within the movie without it being hamfisted.
Exactly. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't sort of situation. If you just have a nonbinary character without making a big deal about it, like in this movie, people complain that it wasn't obvious enough and that they couldn't figure out that the character was nonbinary and they accuse the film of pulling a "Dumbledore was gay all along" thing. If you have a nonbinary character and then the movie pauses for ten seconds for someone to say "oh no, they sent an Adjudicator, who by the way is nonbinary, did you know that?" then people would accuse the film of dumping unnecessary information on us and pandering to the SJWs. The movie doesn't pause to say "by the way, John Wick is a man" or anything like that. There's no reason for anyone to just start listing anyone's gender.
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Also, FYI, for anyone who has people who haven't seen JW1 and JW2, but just want a recap, the ones that Alamo Drafthouse uses from the "Birth. Movies. Death." channel are brilliant.
Warning, they have some of the JW violence in them for the recaps:
I'm not sure how one would convey that information within the movie without it being hamfisted.
Exactly. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't sort of situation. If you just have a nonbinary character without making a big deal about it, like in this movie, people complain that it wasn't obvious enough and that they couldn't figure out that the character was nonbinary and they accuse the film of pulling a "Dumbledore was gay all along" thing. If you have a nonbinary character and then the movie pauses for ten seconds for someone to say "oh no, they sent an Adjudicator, who by the way is nonbinary, did you know that?" then people would accuse the film of dumping unnecessary information on us and pandering to the SJWs. The movie doesn't pause to say "by the way, John Wick is a man" or anything like that. There's no reason for anyone to just start listing anyone's gender.
You don't have to have a conversation about it. In fact it would be very much in keeping with the John Wick ethos if the characters talked about the Adjudicator using "they/theirs" pronouns without any other comment. Like most of the rest of the world-building, you can present it without explaining it or discussing it.
Also, this isn't a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation, because on the one hand taking 10 seconds to make it explicit would make an almost totally unrepresented group feel represented, and on the other hand people who accuse movies of pandering to SJWs can get fucked
It's really more of a "great if you do, damned if you don't" situation
Particularly because a movie like John Wick is like a whole bulletstorm of sugar to help the medicine of learning other types of people exist go down
Given its target audience, it's probably much more socially useful for John Wick to spread awareness about non-binary people than for some indie drama to do it
I'm not sure how one would convey that information within the movie without it being hamfisted.
Exactly. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't sort of situation. If you just have a nonbinary character without making a big deal about it, like in this movie, people complain that it wasn't obvious enough and that they couldn't figure out that the character was nonbinary and they accuse the film of pulling a "Dumbledore was gay all along" thing. If you have a nonbinary character and then the movie pauses for ten seconds for someone to say "oh no, they sent an Adjudicator, who by the way is nonbinary, did you know that?" then people would accuse the film of dumping unnecessary information on us and pandering to the SJWs. The movie doesn't pause to say "by the way, John Wick is a man" or anything like that. There's no reason for anyone to just start listing anyone's gender.
I don't believe there was anyone complaining about it in that direction. The only thing I saw was, for example, me apologizing for misgendering the person when it wasn't pointed out that the female born, femme-presenting, female named person was non-binary.
This movie really lost a lot of creativity with its fights halfway through. First few minutes has death by book and a knife throwing scene that had the entire theater rolling and cheering.
Then Wick goes abroad and it's like, what the fuck, there's a vat of molten gold right there! HOW DO YOU NOT THROW A DUDE INTO IT!? Come on, movie.
I think the only fight I enjoyed in the latter half was the two fanboys, because it at least answered the question for me of 'does Wick leave anyone alive, even if they're just enemies by circumstance and honorable'.
We did the mirror hall thing in the last movie so meh. I'm disappointed he didn't cave someone's skull in with one of those crystal skulls.
You know I see the "holding a book in front of someone's face and punching the book into their face" thing in a lot of fight scenes.
Is that a thing? It seems like it would be better to just hit them with your fist.
Hitting with your fist is the bad idea part. Human hands have lots of itsy bitsy bones that are easily broken. That's why fighters tape their hands and use gloves. Even then hand breaks and fractures are quite common for pros.
Hitting with the book works great if it's a nice heavy hardback book.
I would figure larger harder surface area would make striking the book into someones face a decent move if you have to improvise. Also less likely to hurt your hand on their jaw as silly as that might sound.
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Doubtful, like that lady seems to be the kind of person you end up with when you don't have other options. I really doubt the boogeyman did that. If anything we'll see Charon has a daughter and there you go.
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People keep saying this in the thread, but I don't think it's stated anywhere in the film. Unless I missed something?
It's not. The actor is and they kept their orientation for the character.
Fuck that was good.
Enjoyed the adjucator being non-binary. Always nice to have representation on the screen (though I'm a very male presenting non binary myself. You can't take my beard, damnit).
Loved the use of color and light - I think I'd have liked a daylight fight or two though?
The shinboi were great and nicely spooky/threatening. Zero was such an adorably disturbing fanboy.
Really liked the armored mooks too, and the way the armor actually you know... Worked like armor. Without them being untouchable either.
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Yeah it wasn't referenced in the film at all.
Like, it's great that they are willing to publicly state that this is the case with the character. But it's not information that's presented in the movie itself. So it has a bit of a J.K. Rowling feel, even though they should at least get credit for saying something while the movie is actually in theaters.
Even though it was never explicitly stated by characters in the film, the Adjudicator was known to the cast and crew as non-binary during production of the film.
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JK Rowling makes up stuff after the fact and acts like it's representation.
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You don't have to have a conversation about it. In fact it would be very much in keeping with the John Wick ethos if the characters talked about the Adjudicator using "they/theirs" pronouns without any other comment. Like most of the rest of the world-building, you can present it without explaining it or discussing it.
Also, this isn't a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation, because on the one hand taking 10 seconds to make it explicit would make an almost totally unrepresented group feel represented, and on the other hand people who accuse movies of pandering to SJWs can get fucked
It's really more of a "great if you do, damned if you don't" situation
Particularly because a movie like John Wick is like a whole bulletstorm of sugar to help the medicine of learning other types of people exist go down
Given its target audience, it's probably much more socially useful for John Wick to spread awareness about non-binary people than for some indie drama to do it
I don't believe there was anyone complaining about it in that direction. The only thing I saw was, for example, me apologizing for misgendering the person when it wasn't pointed out that the female born, femme-presenting, female named person was non-binary.
It was okay.
This movie really lost a lot of creativity with its fights halfway through. First few minutes has death by book and a knife throwing scene that had the entire theater rolling and cheering.
Then Wick goes abroad and it's like, what the fuck, there's a vat of molten gold right there! HOW DO YOU NOT THROW A DUDE INTO IT!? Come on, movie.
I think the only fight I enjoyed in the latter half was the two fanboys, because it at least answered the question for me of 'does Wick leave anyone alive, even if they're just enemies by circumstance and honorable'.
We did the mirror hall thing in the last movie so meh. I'm disappointed he didn't cave someone's skull in with one of those crystal skulls.
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Is that a thing? It seems like it would be better to just hit them with your fist.
It seems like it should not work at all. That was dumb.
But then he used it to dislocate a dude's jaw and break his neck so I'll forgive it.
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Hitting with your fist is the bad idea part. Human hands have lots of itsy bitsy bones that are easily broken. That's why fighters tape their hands and use gloves. Even then hand breaks and fractures are quite common for pros.
Hitting with the book works great if it's a nice heavy hardback book.
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