SDNY will be pushing for detention without bail is your first bit of news from this press conference. Not a surprise, but new.
As in, stays in jail until the trial? Because that's good news if the prosecution is going hardball (though no bail is probably appropriate for billionaires - there's no realistic sum of money that would ensure they return and they absolutely are loaded enough to make a break for the border/airport).
US Attorney and FBI person both implicitly credit the Miami Herald for assisting the investigation, say this never would have happened without "excellent investigative journalism."
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Does say that the search of his home in Manhattan revealed photos of nude girls that appear to be under age. So they could tack some child pornography charges on if they wanted to.
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They performed a search warrant on his NY residence when they arrested him. Found photos of nude possibly underage girls. They didnt mention it, but I'm assuming photos of vicitms.
SDNY will be pushing for detention without bail is your first bit of news from this press conference. Not a surprise, but new.
As in, stays in jail until the trial? Because that's good news if the prosecution is going hardball (though no bail is probably appropriate for billionaires - there's no realistic sum of money that would ensure they return and they absolutely are loaded enough to make a break for the border/airport).
Yes
Though it's also important to realize that billionaires have their money tied up, not just sitting in a McDuck vault. Which are a lot easier to freeze. Not that he shouldn't be held regardless. But it's not like he can just show up with a suitcase full of a $million in gold bullion to have a pilot fly him to Cuba or wherever.
SDNY will be pushing for detention without bail is your first bit of news from this press conference. Not a surprise, but new.
As in, stays in jail until the trial? Because that's good news if the prosecution is going hardball (though no bail is probably appropriate for billionaires - there's no realistic sum of money that would ensure they return and they absolutely are loaded enough to make a break for the border/airport).
Yes
Though it's also important to realize that billionaires have their money tied up, not just sitting in a McDuck vault. Which are a lot easier to freeze. Not that he shouldn't be held regardless. But it's not like he can just show up with a suitcase full of a $million in gold bullion to have a pilot fly him to Cuba or wherever.
Often true, though, a legit billionaire that's not tied with mobsters can get a few hundred million in a few hours no questions usually.
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SDNY will be pushing for detention without bail is your first bit of news from this press conference. Not a surprise, but new.
As in, stays in jail until the trial? Because that's good news if the prosecution is going hardball (though no bail is probably appropriate for billionaires - there's no realistic sum of money that would ensure they return and they absolutely are loaded enough to make a break for the border/airport).
Yes
Though it's also important to realize that billionaires have their money tied up, not just sitting in a McDuck vault. Which are a lot easier to freeze. Not that he shouldn't be held regardless. But it's not like he can just show up with a suitcase full of a $million in gold bullion to have a pilot fly him to Cuba or wherever.
Nobody is thinking that, though. The point is that Epstein has the resources (and this goes beyond money to connections and support) to ghost, even if doing so would require surrendering a good portion of his wealth. The charges he's facing are such that he would very much do so, as it's either that or basically be tortured (he'd have to be put in protective custody.)
SDNY will be pushing for detention without bail is your first bit of news from this press conference. Not a surprise, but new.
As in, stays in jail until the trial? Because that's good news if the prosecution is going hardball (though no bail is probably appropriate for billionaires - there's no realistic sum of money that would ensure they return and they absolutely are loaded enough to make a break for the border/airport).
Yes
Though it's also important to realize that billionaires have their money tied up, not just sitting in a McDuck vault. Which are a lot easier to freeze. Not that he shouldn't be held regardless. But it's not like he can just show up with a suitcase full of a $million in gold bullion to have a pilot fly him to Cuba or wherever.
Often true, though, a legit billionaire that's not tied with mobsters can get a few hundred million in a few hours no questions usually.
Usually they aren't flagged in every possible way by the Feds, though. And I would imagine any duffel bags filled with money in his homes were picked up as evidence.
They performed a search warrant on his NY residence when they arrested him. Found photos of nude possibly underage girls. They didnt mention it, but I'm assuming photos of vicitms.
Child Pornography is much easier to prove and still carries a hefty federal sentence.
They performed a search warrant on his NY residence when they arrested him. Found photos of nude possibly underage girls. They didnt mention it, but I'm assuming photos of vicitms.
Child Pornography is much easier to prove and still carries a hefty federal sentence.
Yea, that right there might just be the ball game if the underlying warrant holds up.
SDNY will be pushing for detention without bail is your first bit of news from this press conference. Not a surprise, but new.
As in, stays in jail until the trial? Because that's good news if the prosecution is going hardball (though no bail is probably appropriate for billionaires - there's no realistic sum of money that would ensure they return and they absolutely are loaded enough to make a break for the border/airport).
Yes
Though it's also important to realize that billionaires have their money tied up, not just sitting in a McDuck vault. Which are a lot easier to freeze. Not that he shouldn't be held regardless. But it's not like he can just show up with a suitcase full of a $million in gold bullion to have a pilot fly him to Cuba or wherever.
They usually have some liquid assets and people involved in shady shit are usually assumed to have hidden resources off-shore that they can fall back on should they need to flee.
They performed a search warrant on his NY residence when they arrested him. Found photos of nude possibly underage girls. They didnt mention it, but I'm assuming photos of vicitms.
Child Pornography is much easier to prove and still carries a hefty federal sentence.
Yep, this is what Nassar's initial conviction was for. And the sentence he's currently serving in federal prison is for. Which is for 60 years.
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A guy like Epstien is going to have a cayman island account with a few hundred million for sure because even if he legitimately did not realize that his actions were wrong and someday he might need to flee the country, he's still the kind of rich asshole that doesn't like paying taxes and that means keeping liquid assets in places the fed can't reach.
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SDNY will be pushing for detention without bail is your first bit of news from this press conference. Not a surprise, but new.
As in, stays in jail until the trial? Because that's good news if the prosecution is going hardball (though no bail is probably appropriate for billionaires - there's no realistic sum of money that would ensure they return and they absolutely are loaded enough to make a break for the border/airport).
Yes
Though it's also important to realize that billionaires have their money tied up, not just sitting in a McDuck vault. Which are a lot easier to freeze. Not that he shouldn't be held regardless. But it's not like he can just show up with a suitcase full of a $million in gold bullion to have a pilot fly him to Cuba or wherever.
Often true, though, a legit billionaire that's not tied with mobsters can get a few hundred million in a few hours no questions usually.
Usually they aren't flagged in every possible way by the Feds, though. And I would imagine any duffel bags filled with money in his homes were picked up as evidence.
Yeah, wire transfers to get that kind lucre on paper would be one thing, physical bills would be a whole other bag of cats. You'd need to be putting in a requisition order to either a major regional vault of someone like Chase/Wells Fargo/Cititgroup, or a Fed Reserve branch to get more than $4-5 million, straight liquid in a lump sum. And jump through a lot of paperwork hoops that'd be ringing alarm bells all over FinCEN and Dept of Treasury.
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They performed a search warrant on his NY residence when they arrested him. Found photos of nude possibly underage girls. They didnt mention it, but I'm assuming photos of vicitms.
Child Pornography is much easier to prove and still carries a hefty federal sentence.
Yea, that right there might just be the ball game if the underlying warrant holds up.
Especially given his sex offender status. Getting caught with underage nudes alone may be all they need to prove to give him some serious jail time.
Is there any indication he ever crossed state lines with his victims?
He was having sex parties with these underage women on airplanes given some of the previous court stuff that came out so I am pretty sure this is a given.
Yesterday I posted that Trump quote about Epstein, which paints both of them in a pretty bad light. So in the interest of fairness, we really should get Epstein's opinion on Trump.
"And the other interesting thing is Trump had a modeling agency, and Epstein also had a stake in a modeling agency, which they suspect he used to bring in underage girls from overseas,” she added. “There is a comment in one of the court files where Epstein is quoted as saying, ‘I want to set up my modeling agency the same way Trump set up his modeling agency.’ I don’t know what that means, but it is curious that he was trying to do something similar to Trump.”
Multiple victims, including several specified in the Indictment, have provided information against the defendant. That information is detailed, credible, and corroborated, in many instances, by other witnesses and contemporaneous documents, records and other evidence—including, as further detailed below, evidence from a search of the New York Residence on the night of the defendant’s arrest that reflects an extraordinary volume of photographs of nude and partially-nude young women or girls. Such corroborating evidence also includes documents and other materials, such as contemporaneous notes, messages recovered from the defendant’s residence that include names and contact information for certain victims, and call records that confirm the defendant and his agents were repeatedly in contact with various victims during the charged period. Put simply, all of this evidence – the voluminous and credible testimony of individuals who were sexually abused by the defendant as minors, each of whom are backed up by other evidence – will be devastating evidence of guilt at any trial in this case and weighs heavily in favor of detention.
Finally, despite having been previously convicted of a sex offense involving an underage victim, the defendant has continued to maintain a vast trove of lewd photographs of young-looking women or girls in his Manhattan mansion. In a search of the New York Residence on the night of his arrest, on July 6-7, 2019, pursuant to judicially-authorized warrants, law enforcement officers discovered not only specific evidence consistent with victim recollections of the inside of the mansion, further strengthening the evidence of the conduct charged in the Indictment, but also at least hundreds—and perhaps thousands—of sexually suggestive photographs of fully- or partially-nude females. While these items were only seized this weekend and are still being reviewed, some of the nude or partially-nude photographs appear to be of underage girls, including at least one girl who, according to her counsel, was underage at the time the relevant photographs were taken. Additionally, some of the photographs referenced herein were discovered in a locked safe, in which law enforcement officers also found compact discs with hand-written labels including the following: “Young [Name] + [Name],” “Misc nudes 1,” and “Girl pics nude.” The defendant, a registered sex offender, is not reformed, he is not chastened, he is not repentant;6 rather, he is a continuing danger to the community and an individual who faces devastating evidence supporting deeply serious charges.
So they've confirmed at least one of those photos is of an underage girl.
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...This guy is going to be murdered in prison.
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Possibly 1000's of images and "voluminous" evidence and testimony...screw Epstein, the horse he rode in on, and anyone else connected to this shit, regardless of politics.
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A billionare like him, even if convicted would not be going to regular prison. Also he shouldn't be. The idea that one should come to a violent end in prison is the opposite of what prison is for. He should spend the rest of his life in a grey boring monotonous environment.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
A billionare like him, even if convicted would not be going to regular prison. Also he shouldn't be. The idea that one should come to a violent end in prison is the opposite of what prison is for. He should spend the rest of his life in a grey boring monotonous environment.
I agree with you whole hardheartedly. I just have a feeling, that he's going to be murdered by his people, or others. Someones going to take a shot.
Nope. We're going to just torture him to prevent that - he'll be put in administrative segregation, which usually means solitary confinement.
The problem is that letting this person exist in less restrictive conditions would mean fixing the criminal justice system in a host of other ways so that murdering a pedophile and not caring about the consequences becomes a less likely outcome then it presently is.
Maybe if we get the ball rolling now we can get him into more social conditions by 2028.
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Possibly 1000's of images and "voluminous" evidence and testimony...screw Epstein, the horse he rode in on, and anyone else connected to this shit, regardless of politics.
Possibly 1000's of images and "voluminous" evidence and testimony...screw Epstein, the horse he rode in on, and anyone else connected to this shit, regardless of politics.
Is there any indication he ever crossed state lines with his victims?
Just so I'm sure I'm following this right, a "yes" would mean he engaged in trafficking, correct?
Interstate trafficking, which is clearly Federal jurisdiction. Intrastate trafficking is more muddy as to if the feds or the state is in charge.
I suspect this is why the indictment laid out that he often called employees in the other place to arrange the meetings. I think that was just to secure federal jurisdiction. The indictment didn't really mention transporting the victims at all.
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As in, stays in jail until the trial? Because that's good news if the prosecution is going hardball (though no bail is probably appropriate for billionaires - there's no realistic sum of money that would ensure they return and they absolutely are loaded enough to make a break for the border/airport).
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Won't answer a question about the assignment of public corruption to the prosecution.
Yes
Though it's also important to realize that billionaires have their money tied up, not just sitting in a McDuck vault. Which are a lot easier to freeze. Not that he shouldn't be held regardless. But it's not like he can just show up with a suitcase full of a $million in gold bullion to have a pilot fly him to Cuba or wherever.
Often true, though, a legit billionaire that's not tied with mobsters can get a few hundred million in a few hours no questions usually.
Nobody is thinking that, though. The point is that Epstein has the resources (and this goes beyond money to connections and support) to ghost, even if doing so would require surrendering a good portion of his wealth. The charges he's facing are such that he would very much do so, as it's either that or basically be tortured (he'd have to be put in protective custody.)
Usually they aren't flagged in every possible way by the Feds, though. And I would imagine any duffel bags filled with money in his homes were picked up as evidence.
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Child Pornography is much easier to prove and still carries a hefty federal sentence.
Yea, that right there might just be the ball game if the underlying warrant holds up.
They usually have some liquid assets and people involved in shady shit are usually assumed to have hidden resources off-shore that they can fall back on should they need to flee.
Yep, this is what Nassar's initial conviction was for. And the sentence he's currently serving in federal prison is for. Which is for 60 years.
Yeah, wire transfers to get that kind lucre on paper would be one thing, physical bills would be a whole other bag of cats. You'd need to be putting in a requisition order to either a major regional vault of someone like Chase/Wells Fargo/Cititgroup, or a Fed Reserve branch to get more than $4-5 million, straight liquid in a lump sum. And jump through a lot of paperwork hoops that'd be ringing alarm bells all over FinCEN and Dept of Treasury.
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Not in the indictment.
However, it's previously been alleged he flew victims between his homes in New York, Florida, New Mexico, and his private island in the Caribbean.
There's also potentially fake modeling companies to get girls from Eastern Europe. There's a lot.
What do you think his private plane was for?
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Especially given his sex offender status. Getting caught with underage nudes alone may be all they need to prove to give him some serious jail time.
He was having sex parties with these underage women on airplanes given some of the previous court stuff that came out so I am pretty sure this is a given.
https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-federal-indictment-epstein-20190707-tl4t2wptbzcslnwycdztwkb6wi-story.html
What could it mean? Truly a mystery.
So they've confirmed at least one of those photos is of an underage girl.
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A billionare like him, even if convicted would not be going to regular prison. Also he shouldn't be. The idea that one should come to a violent end in prison is the opposite of what prison is for. He should spend the rest of his life in a grey boring monotonous environment.
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Nope. We're going to just torture him to prevent that - he'll be put in administrative segregation, which usually means solitary confinement.
The problem is that letting this person exist in less restrictive conditions would mean fixing the criminal justice system in a host of other ways so that murdering a pedophile and not caring about the consequences becomes a less likely outcome then it presently is.
Maybe if we get the ball rolling now we can get him into more social conditions by 2028.
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Above the Law has a list of lawyers disreputably associated with Epstein. Notable lowlights include Alex Acosta, Ken Starr, and Alan Dershowitz.
Interstate trafficking, which is clearly Federal jurisdiction. Intrastate trafficking is more muddy as to if the feds or the state is in charge.
Nice, wonder if Associate Justice Boof Kavanaugh might also make an appearance before all is said and done.
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As others have pointed out, the private jet is the dead giveaway here in that regard.
I suspect this is why the indictment laid out that he often called employees in the other place to arrange the meetings. I think that was just to secure federal jurisdiction. The indictment didn't really mention transporting the victims at all.