Honestly, after the last five years I can't even be upset by this result any more. Is it better for the Conservatives and worse for pretty much everyone else than predicted? Yep. Will it almost certainly lead to political bullshit in a variety of strange and unexpected new forms? Yes. But I guess we've just got to spend the next five years weathering the fucking storm.
All I'm hoping for is that this finally motivates Labour to sort their shit out, or for some new more electorally viable party to arise from their ashes.
Wishful thinking but there's no incentive for the Tories to have a hard brexit anytime soon is there?
They can do what they wan now, and they'd have to own the consequences of a hard Brexit when it goes pear shaped.
Unless they're really confident in their ability to spread propaganda to say everything is fine (which I guess after this election they have no reason not to be).
It's gotten to the point now where me and my wife have said we'll move to Ireland if it all goes tits up.
We're fortunate that there's plenty of jobs in my wife's area of expertise in Ireland and we could live with her family until we find our feet.
I'm assuming my Dad voted for the Tories.
He's a die hard Brexiteer as well.
I'm sure his only grandson moving away is a price worth paying for Brexit.
I'm compiling a list of people Corbyn and his supporters are blaming and so far we have the media, the Lib Dems, centrists, Blairites, "The Jewish vote" (cheers, Ken - knew we could rely on you), Remainers, the Greens and your mum.
Obviously the arsehole Whatsapp group had something about the 2005 election in it because more than one of them is saying oh we got more votes than in 2005 so that's good, isn't it?
People need to stop with the "BUT IRAQ" shit. Blair won an election before then and everyone has conveniently forgotten that the Iraq war was popular at the time.
Karl's big prediction. Give it 10 years and no one will admit voting for Brexit. Just like how no one admits to supporting the Iraq War.
All I'm hoping for is that this finally motivates Labour to sort their shit out, or for some new more electorally viable party to arise from their ashes.
It's early days yet but the signs are that it's everyone else's fault and Corbyn did a great job but was hamstrung by [fill in blank as necessary].
Alan Johnson burning off some righteous anger. Twitter account is random but the clip is what's interesting.
The more I am looking at my twitter feeds, the more this is looking like a wholesale victory for Ireland and a complete and utter unmitigated disaster for Britain.
Which makes me wonder who the fuck devoted all their time and cash into swinging the UK. And why.
Look!
All I'm saying is that both my parents are both from Ireland... and I've been considering dual citizenship in case shit gets too hot here in the States... so... yay?
FT data guy
Suggests tactical Remain voting might have helped a bit but not nearly enough and that low weucation/skill working class voters were very not energized by Corbyn and Labour
You know I read something a few days back, someone who had done a deep dive of a usually Labour stronghold in Birmingham. He mentioned how every working class voter he spoke to had switched to Tory, mostly based on highly targeted Facebook ads. Back in 2017 none of them really knew who Corbyn was. This time around they all knew him and believed he was both an IRA sympathizer and someone who was "stopping" Brexit.
If that's the case on a larger scale then this victory was Cummings and Cambridge Analytica again.
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Suggests tactical Remain voting might have helped a bit but not nearly enough and that low weucation/skill working class voters were very not energized by Corbyn and Labour
You know I read something a few days back, someone who had done a deep dive of a usually Labour stronghold in Birmingham. He mentioned how every working class voter he spoke to had switched to Tory, mostly based on highly targeted Facebook ads. Back in 2017 none of them really knew who Corbyn was. This time around they all knew him and believed he was both an IRA sympathizer and someone who was "stopping" Brexit.
If that's the case on a larger scale then this victory was Cummings and Cambridge Analytica again.
It's not going to surprise me if this was partly the case. I know I've been getting hit recently by Conservative ads that seemed overly designed to appeal to my specific demographic.
Looking at the election maps, while up here the north is pretty split it looks like London is a tiny isle of Labour voters in a sea of Tories down south.
Also Wales has a surprising amount of blue in it. Is that the old, retired English people again?
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Suggests tactical Remain voting might have helped a bit but not nearly enough and that low weucation/skill working class voters were very not energized by Corbyn and Labour
You know I read something a few days back, someone who had done a deep dive of a usually Labour stronghold in Birmingham. He mentioned how every working class voter he spoke to had switched to Tory, mostly based on highly targeted Facebook ads. Back in 2017 none of them really knew who Corbyn was. This time around they all knew him and believed he was both an IRA sympathizer and someone who was "stopping" Brexit.
If that's the case on a larger scale then this victory was Cummings and Cambridge Analytica again.
It's not going to surprise me if this was partly the case. I know I've been getting hit recently by Conservative ads that seemed overly designed to appeal to my specific demographic.
for better or for worse, i think it's fair to say that time has shown the right is very much ahead of the left when it comes to advertising of all things
Paul Mason, noted Corbyn supporter, who thinks the problem is the electorate not giving Labour the votes they're owed. He doesn't mention that Labour lost 7000 votes since 2017, more than twice the number they lost by, and twice what those other two parties polled.
Pretty incredible stuff from Northern Ireland. Not only did they go for majority anti-Brexit candidates, and not only did they boot out DUP Deputy (and Westminster) leader Nigel Dodds, but for the first time NI has more Nationalist than Unionist MPs.
DUP 8
Sinn Féin 7
SDLP 2
Alliance 1
DUP Leader Arlene Foster is blaming the losses on *checks* Nationalists winning the votes, according to RTE News.
It was very clear in both North Belfast and South Belfast that nationalism came together and decided they were going to get rid of Emma (Little-Pengelly) and Nigel (Dodds). We fought very hard against that but the numbers were against us in both constituencies.
I also found this quote from former UUP leader Mike Nesbitt particularly insightful.
Perhaps one of the great ironies of all this is that for decades Unionists have looked over their shoulders and decided that Irish nationalists were the great threat, and then more recently it was Scottish nationalists. But actually, it's English nationalism that is posing the existential threat to the future of the Union.
I'm compiling a list of people Corbyn and his supporters are blaming and so far we have the media, the Lib Dems, centrists, Blairites, "The Jewish vote" (cheers, Ken - knew we could rely on you), Remainers, the Greens and your mum.
Obviously the arsehole Whatsapp group had something about the 2005 election in it because more than one of them is saying oh we got more votes than in 2005 so that's good, isn't it?
I'm compiling a list of people Corbyn and his supporters are blaming and so far we have the media, the Lib Dems, centrists, Blairites, "The Jewish vote" (cheers, Ken - knew we could rely on you), Remainers, the Greens and your mum.
Obviously the arsehole Whatsapp group had something about the 2005 election in it because more than one of them is saying oh we got more votes than in 2005 so that's good, isn't it?
Christ did Ken really say that
Fucking hell
I believe the exact quote was "The Jewish vote wasn't very helpful". Which, I mean, there are surely better ways of putting it, Ken.
I’m guessing a tomato could win against Corbyn going by this result. He needs to apologize profusely and retire.
He will not apologize.
He has said he will retire... just as soon as he hand-picks a successor.
So, as another poster said, sometime in the next five years. Probably.
Oh hey, remember that random Conservative candidate who argued for evicting council estate tenants and enrolling them in forced labour camps? He won.
Part of me's wondering how wild this new crop of Tory MPs are going to be.
You might want to read up on a little thing we have over here called the Tea Party.
No, not the one in Boston harbo(u)r.
Yeah, I was going to mention that I think the Conservatives might be about to experience a similar problem to the US Republicans. Arguably we've been seeing that already but this might be an enhanced version.
Oh, that's what the biggest story of the election was. I guess I was confused because I thought the biggest story was the catastrophic failure of Jeremy Corbyn to win an election. EDIT: I guess that's from before the results came in, so it's fair enough. All the ground game in the world didn't amount to shit, though, so maybe still not the biggest story.
I vaguely estimate a good ten years of infighting in Labour and at least one more Momentum candidate before sanity breaks out.
Paul Mason, noted Corbyn supporter, who thinks the problem is the electorate not giving Labour the votes they're owed. He doesn't mention that Labour lost 7000 votes since 2017, more than twice the number they lost by, and twice what those other two parties polled.
Paul Mason, noted Corbyn supporter, who thinks the problem is the electorate not giving Labour the votes they're owed. He doesn't mention that Labour lost 7000 votes since 2017, more than twice the number they lost by, and twice what those other two parties polled.
This is so stupid. How dare voters not vote strategically! Never mind that they apparently have no interest in voting for your Labour Party under Corbyn even to stop a conservative win, it also forgets that people will vote for who they fucking want to win, so maybe instead of bitching about it be a party that people want to vote for?
It’s just an unbelievable attitude. I understand it’s dissapointing, but maybe campaigning on “vote strategically to stop the other guy” isn’t a winning strategy for turning out people enthusiastically.
It’s like, yeah, if those people had voted for labour we could have beaten them in that electorate, but they didn’t, because they’re not part of labour, they’re fucking voters. The fault is with labour leadership for not forming a strong enough coalition, for not selling the importance of strategic voting.
Enjoy bitching about how voters are silly and don’t always vote with their heads, and watch it get worse over time for you
I’m guessing a tomato could win against Corbyn going by this result. He needs to apologize profusely and retire.
He will not apologize.
He has said he will retire... just as soon as he hand-picks a successor.
So, as another poster said, sometime in the next five years. Probably.
Can he just hand pick a successor and that's that? Don't they have to at least have a leadership vote that the corbynites can stuff with their votes to make sure we don't get anyone viable?
I’m guessing a tomato could win against Corbyn going by this result. He needs to apologize profusely and retire.
He will not apologize.
He has said he will retire... just as soon as he hand-picks a successor.
So, as another poster said, sometime in the next five years. Probably.
Can he just hand pick a successor and that's that? Don't they have to at least have a leadership vote that the corbynites can stuff with their votes to make sure we don't get anyone viable?
Yes, an election to select the new leader (and a new deputy leader) will take place, but Corbyn and his supporters will make sure to select one candidate from their wing and publicly bless them so the Momentum crowd know who to back, and they'll probably win against whomever the rest of the party put forward.
The people who put Corbyn in place aren't going anywhere, and outnumber those who voted against him. They've proven to be absolutely reliable in voting lockstep for Corbyn/Momentum approved candidates for the NEC, even when the candidate is an absolute shitpile who later gets suspended for anti-semitism he's been doing for yonks.
I’m guessing a tomato could win against Corbyn going by this result. He needs to apologize profusely and retire.
He will not apologize.
He has said he will retire... just as soon as he hand-picks a successor.
So, as another poster said, sometime in the next five years. Probably.
Can he just hand pick a successor and that's that? Don't they have to at least have a leadership vote that the corbynites can stuff with their votes to make sure we don't get anyone viable?
Yes, an election to select the new leader (and a new deputy leader) will take place, but Corbyn and his supporters will make sure to select one candidate from their wing and publicly bless them so the Momentum crowd know who to back, and they'll probably win against whomever the rest of the party put forward.
The people who put Corbyn in place aren't going anywhere, and outnumber those who voted against him. They've proven to be absolutely reliable in voting lockstep for Corbyn/Momentum approved candidates for the NEC, even when the candidate is an absolute shitpile who later gets suspended for anti-semitism he's been doing for yonks.
The real fight does indeed start now.
How many of those people who voted in Corbyn just lost their seats?
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Well, England did. I don't believe Scotland, Northern Ireland, or Wales did.
That's probably gonna have consequences down the line.
There should absolutely be a re-run of the Indyref once Brexit is done.
All I'm hoping for is that this finally motivates Labour to sort their shit out, or for some new more electorally viable party to arise from their ashes.
They can do what they wan now, and they'd have to own the consequences of a hard Brexit when it goes pear shaped.
Unless they're really confident in their ability to spread propaganda to say everything is fine (which I guess after this election they have no reason not to be).
It's gotten to the point now where me and my wife have said we'll move to Ireland if it all goes tits up.
We're fortunate that there's plenty of jobs in my wife's area of expertise in Ireland and we could live with her family until we find our feet.
I'm assuming my Dad voted for the Tories.
He's a die hard Brexiteer as well.
I'm sure his only grandson moving away is a price worth paying for Brexit.
Obviously the arsehole Whatsapp group had something about the 2005 election in it because more than one of them is saying oh we got more votes than in 2005 so that's good, isn't it?
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Internally, maybe the not.
But I don't think the EU is gonna be all too happy with the Tories just endlessly dragging everything out.
I always suspected I came out of that car crash too lightly...
*looks at notes*
Ability to win elections?
People need to stop with the "BUT IRAQ" shit. Blair won an election before then and everyone has conveniently forgotten that the Iraq war was popular at the time.
Karl's big prediction. Give it 10 years and no one will admit voting for Brexit. Just like how no one admits to supporting the Iraq War.
It's early days yet but the signs are that it's everyone else's fault and Corbyn did a great job but was hamstrung by [fill in blank as necessary].
Alan Johnson burning off some righteous anger. Twitter account is random but the clip is what's interesting.
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Dublin.
You know I read something a few days back, someone who had done a deep dive of a usually Labour stronghold in Birmingham. He mentioned how every working class voter he spoke to had switched to Tory, mostly based on highly targeted Facebook ads. Back in 2017 none of them really knew who Corbyn was. This time around they all knew him and believed he was both an IRA sympathizer and someone who was "stopping" Brexit.
If that's the case on a larger scale then this victory was Cummings and Cambridge Analytica again.
It's not going to surprise me if this was partly the case. I know I've been getting hit recently by Conservative ads that seemed overly designed to appeal to my specific demographic.
Also Wales has a surprising amount of blue in it. Is that the old, retired English people again?
for better or for worse, i think it's fair to say that time has shown the right is very much ahead of the left when it comes to advertising of all things
Enjoy your winnings. Perhaps you will be able to use them to acquire Adequate Food.
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DUP 8
Sinn Féin 7
SDLP 2
Alliance 1
DUP Leader Arlene Foster is blaming the losses on *checks* Nationalists winning the votes, according to RTE News.
I also found this quote from former UUP leader Mike Nesbitt particularly insightful.
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Christ did Ken really say that
Fucking hell
Edit: Looking it up, he seems to be more blaming Corbyn for not tackling it? I take back my sarcasm.
Although he is also calling Jewish voters 'unhelpful', so I only partially take it back I guess.
I believe the exact quote was "The Jewish vote wasn't very helpful". Which, I mean, there are surely better ways of putting it, Ken.
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He will not apologize.
He has said he will retire... just as soon as he hand-picks a successor.
So, as another poster said, sometime in the next five years. Probably.
Part of me's wondering how wild this new crop of Tory MPs are going to be.
You might want to read up on a little thing we have over here called the Tea Party.
No, not the one in Boston harbo(u)r.
Yeah, I was going to mention that I think the Conservatives might be about to experience a similar problem to the US Republicans. Arguably we've been seeing that already but this might be an enhanced version.
Oh, that's what the biggest story of the election was. I guess I was confused because I thought the biggest story was the catastrophic failure of Jeremy Corbyn to win an election. EDIT: I guess that's from before the results came in, so it's fair enough. All the ground game in the world didn't amount to shit, though, so maybe still not the biggest story.
I vaguely estimate a good ten years of infighting in Labour and at least one more Momentum candidate before sanity breaks out.
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One of the top comments is from an Evolve Politics blaming his support for a second referendum....
Ridiculousness from every angle!
This is so stupid. How dare voters not vote strategically! Never mind that they apparently have no interest in voting for your Labour Party under Corbyn even to stop a conservative win, it also forgets that people will vote for who they fucking want to win, so maybe instead of bitching about it be a party that people want to vote for?
It’s just an unbelievable attitude. I understand it’s dissapointing, but maybe campaigning on “vote strategically to stop the other guy” isn’t a winning strategy for turning out people enthusiastically.
It’s like, yeah, if those people had voted for labour we could have beaten them in that electorate, but they didn’t, because they’re not part of labour, they’re fucking voters. The fault is with labour leadership for not forming a strong enough coalition, for not selling the importance of strategic voting.
Enjoy bitching about how voters are silly and don’t always vote with their heads, and watch it get worse over time for you
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Can he just hand pick a successor and that's that? Don't they have to at least have a leadership vote that the corbynites can stuff with their votes to make sure we don't get anyone viable?
Yes, an election to select the new leader (and a new deputy leader) will take place, but Corbyn and his supporters will make sure to select one candidate from their wing and publicly bless them so the Momentum crowd know who to back, and they'll probably win against whomever the rest of the party put forward.
The people who put Corbyn in place aren't going anywhere, and outnumber those who voted against him. They've proven to be absolutely reliable in voting lockstep for Corbyn/Momentum approved candidates for the NEC, even when the candidate is an absolute shitpile who later gets suspended for anti-semitism he's been doing for yonks.
The real fight does indeed start now.
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EVERYBODY WANTS TO SIT IN THE BIG CHAIR, MEG!
I'd guess Angela Rayner, Emily Thornberry and Keir Starmer will put their names forward at the very least, and Corbyn will back Rayner.
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How many of those people who voted in Corbyn just lost their seats?