Well, Brexit is happening. No hope of stopping it now. Might as well lay back and think of England.
...And make damn sure BoJo gets the blame when it turns to shit.
We may talk about Corbyn being a lukewarm remainer at best, but BoJo was the guy that pushed Brexit over the finish line back in 2016 and he is still the most ardent Brexiteer.
Brexit is absolutely happening, but it might end up being a lot softer than the Brexit Johnson was pushing before. He’s got an unstoppable majority and five years to do whatever he likes. The influence of hard Brexiteers like Rees-Mogg (did he ever turn up actually?) has waned into nothing. Unless Cummings is the real prime minister, Johnson is going to go for whatever causes him the least amount of hassle. He’ll quite happily go with a Brexit that’s basically remain but with no MEPs if it won’t cause much fuss in his party. He knows he can sell it to the public no problem, and he doesn’t have to care about an election.
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silence1186Character shields down!As a wingmanRegistered Userregular
Scottish Independence and Irish Reunification looking more likely after last night?
Well, Brexit is happening. No hope of stopping it now. Might as well lay back and think of England.
...And make damn sure BoJo gets the blame when it turns to shit.
We may talk about Corbyn being a lukewarm remainer at best, but BoJo was the guy that pushed Brexit over the finish line back in 2016 and he is still the most ardent Brexiteer.
What are the odds all the new crazy Tory MPs try and scuttle the deal to ensure a No Deal Brexit?
Well, Brexit is happening. No hope of stopping it now. Might as well lay back and think of England.
...And make damn sure BoJo gets the blame when it turns to shit.
We may talk about Corbyn being a lukewarm remainer at best, but BoJo was the guy that pushed Brexit over the finish line back in 2016 and he is still the most ardent Brexiteer.
What are the odds all the new crazy Tory MPs try and scuttle the deal to ensure a No Deal Brexit?
Its probably not non-zero, but since the bellend in charge is the OG crazy Tory, not likely.
The sky was full of stars, every star an exploding ship. One of ours.
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so this started making the rounds online, in bot like fashion
The Liberal Democrats turned on their leader Jo Swinson today after she was ousted from her own seat in Scotland following a disastrous General Election campaign.
The party's former deputy leader Simon Hughes launched a scathing attack on her as he said 'every strategic decision' taken since she took over had been wrong.
It came after Miss Swinson, 39, lost East Dunbartonshire to the SNP's Amy Callaghan by just 149 votes - and when the result came in First Minister Nicola Sturgeon was caught on camera in nearby Glasgow celebrating like a football fan.
Today, Mr Hughes told Sky News: 'Every single decision taken since Jo became the leader and Ed became the deputy leader has been the wrong decision. Every strategic decision. They decided to go for revoking Article 50, having ignored the referendum. They decided that they could argue that that was because we might be a majority government. Incredible, incredible - nobody believed it.'
This is particularly damning because he's saying that Remain is a loser position. That it was always a loser position. And that Remain voters should shut up, accept that they lost, and lay back and think of England.
The Liberal Democrats turned on their leader Jo Swinson today after she was ousted from her own seat in Scotland following a disastrous General Election campaign.
The party's former deputy leader Simon Hughes launched a scathing attack on her as he said 'every strategic decision' taken since she took over had been wrong.
It came after Miss Swinson, 39, lost East Dunbartonshire to the SNP's Amy Callaghan by just 149 votes - and when the result came in First Minister Nicola Sturgeon was caught on camera in nearby Glasgow celebrating like a football fan.
Today, Mr Hughes told Sky News: 'Every single decision taken since Jo became the leader and Ed became the deputy leader has been the wrong decision. Every strategic decision. They decided to go for revoking Article 50, having ignored the referendum. They decided that they could argue that that was because we might be a majority government. Incredible, incredible - nobody believed it.'
This is particularly damning because he's saying that Remain is a loser position. That it was always a loser position. And that Remain voters should shut up, accept that they lost, and lay back and think of England.
Interesting too, considering that overall Lib Dems did better in vote share than the last election. FPTP sucks however. I guess she should have worked around that.
In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony god’s blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence.
The Liberal Democrats turned on their leader Jo Swinson today after she was ousted from her own seat in Scotland following a disastrous General Election campaign.
The party's former deputy leader Simon Hughes launched a scathing attack on her as he said 'every strategic decision' taken since she took over had been wrong.
It came after Miss Swinson, 39, lost East Dunbartonshire to the SNP's Amy Callaghan by just 149 votes - and when the result came in First Minister Nicola Sturgeon was caught on camera in nearby Glasgow celebrating like a football fan.
Today, Mr Hughes told Sky News: 'Every single decision taken since Jo became the leader and Ed became the deputy leader has been the wrong decision. Every strategic decision. They decided to go for revoking Article 50, having ignored the referendum. They decided that they could argue that that was because we might be a majority government. Incredible, incredible - nobody believed it.'
This is particularly damning because he's saying that Remain is a loser position. That it was always a loser position. And that Remain voters should shut up, accept that they lost, and lay back and think of England.
He... he knows she lost her seat to the SNP, right?
Jo Swinson losing her seat by 149 votes is going to make for an interesting conversation with my dad.
He's in East Dun, usually votes Lib Dem, and I know voted Tory this time. I also know he will hate the fact that the SNP have won it.
We specifically had quite a fiery argument about tactical voting to avoid the outcome that you don't want (his opinion is that tactical voting is, in some sense, cheating).
It is worth remembering that, if you count Labour as remin (big if, I know) then the leave/remain split is 45.6/50.3% (at 649 seats counted). Unfortunately all that will be talked about is how 'leave won', particularly how Labour leave areas swung to tories. In other words your opinion will count even less as a remainer than it did before. I consider it a pretty damning inditement of FPTP being a horribly broken system.
It's also a prime example of controlling the narrative - something Corbyn wilfulyl dropped the ball on after the referendum. I expect the narrative in this one will be that 'the country supports brexit' and 'labour leavers'. In turn it'll put pressure on the next Labour leader to support brexit - and thus throw away the rest of the remain vote.
Looking at Channel 4 it seems Nicola Sturgeon has declared independence of requiring Westminster’s approval for independence. Plans to have the legal case for indyref 2 published within a week.
She has a point, Scotland is basically a one-party country at this point, the idea of a mainly Tory England having any kind of legitimate democratic authority there is laughable when they couldn’t even win 10% of Scottish seats.
Plenty of Labour MPs now saying it's the fault of the city types etc and they should've listened more to the Leavers in the towns.
Really like that Remainers are now seen as the problem and are to be comprehensively ignored...
Probably because Leave 'won'. Elections Have Consequences, Overturning Elections, Overwhelming Mandate, blahblah.
Also, Remainers are going to be seen as "those wankers that let the Tories win" so is going to be an incredibly toxic political position. Wouldn't be surprised to see many pro-Remain politicians to change their tune to "Is The Will Of The People".
Looking at Channel 4 it seems Nicola Sturgeon has declared independence of requiring Westminster’s approval for independence. Plans to have the legal case for indyref 2 published within a week.
There's definitely a line of thought among some lawyers that, constitutionally, Westminster consent is not explicitly required to enact the results of an independence referendum, and of course this has never been legally tested
Holding one has never required Westminster consent
She has a point, Scotland is basically a one-party country at this point, the idea of a mainly Tory England having any kind of legitimate democratic authority there is laughable when they couldn’t even win 10% of Scottish seats.
I wonder if there's some part of the Tory party that realizes that Scottish Independence might not be a bad thing.
If you remove all 59 Scottish seats (including the 6 you won), you're going from 364/650 (56%) in the House to 358/591 (60.57%).
You get to take a large portion of your opposition, and just remove them from Parliament.
It looks like it's a little more difficult with Ireland, with the conservative partnership ebbing and flowing, but with Scotland, if they're not likely to get a majority again, it actually looks like it's in the best interest of the party to allow them to leave, and cement their own power.
I have absolutely no confidence in the FTPA holding at all
I predict that the next election will be within 5 years
I think Johnson said they’ll abolish it.
Honestly if he does that it'll take a lot of the sting off this Tory victory. FTPA has to die. Thinking in the long term any government that gets rid of it is doing the country a good turn.
Looking at Channel 4 it seems Nicola Sturgeon has declared independence of requiring Westminster’s approval for independence. Plans to have the legal case for indyref 2 published within a week.
There's definitely a line of thought among some lawyers that, constitutionally, Westminster consent is not explicitly required to enact the results of an independence referendum, and of course this has never been legally tested
Holding one has never required Westminster consent
I was expecting this but it will be interesting to see how it turns out.
The uncomfortable truth is that a lot of people in this country want Brexit.
Really want it. So much that they swapped from who they usually vote for to the Tories because of their repeated "get Brexit done" slogan.
The appeal of "Get Brexit Done" strikes me as being less about brexiting and more about not having to deal with the issue anymore. At least, in voters's minds. They think it'll be done and over with.
Oil and some gas I think. Plus it just diminishes on the world stage to start having segments just secede. Tonight I pray, harder than I apparently prayed for a hung parliament, that BJ's heart just explodes from the congested backlog of rich meats and caviar that prick gorges on.
The uncomfortable truth is that a lot of people in this country want Brexit.
Really want it. So much that they swapped from who they usually vote for to the Tories because of their repeated "get Brexit done" slogan.
The appeal of "Get Brexit Done" strikes me as being less about brexiting and more about not having to deal with the issue anymore. At least, in voters's minds. They think it'll be done and over with.
Brexit has been the only item on political news for going on four years now. If I was a low information voter and thought that once we leave then everything related to it was finished, I could absolutely see wanting to just be done with the bloody thing.
“There is no such thing as Corbynism. There is socialism. There is social justice.”
Jeremy Corbyn says he doesn’t think the election result would have “been any different” if a more centrist candidate was in charge of Labour - saying the issue that dominated was Brexit.
Why is the assumption that a different candidate would have failed just as utterly at handling Brexit or that there can't be many different reasons for the worst loss in more than a generation?
If there is no Corbynism, he should support a successor rather than remaining the leader after two failed elections. If there is nobody else that can do it, the movement fucked up.
Just fucking take responsibility you useless old prick. Are you such a self righteous piece of shit that you’ll admit no failings on your part? Are you trying to start a Labour “lost cause” cult?
One thing that was apparent with his numerous non apologies in regards to anti-semitism, is that he's happy to apologise for things that have happened, but never to apologise for his own role in said things happening. Jeremy is right in all things, at all times.
Oil and some gas I think. Plus it just diminishes on the world stage to start having segments just secede. Tonight I pray, harder than I apparently prayed for a hung parliament, that BJ's heart just explodes from the congested backlog of rich meats and caviar that prick gorges on.
But, asked why Labour had lost so heavily, the party leader said: “I've done everything I could to lead this party.
“I've done everything I could to develop its policies, and since I became leader the membership has more than doubled and the party has developed a very serious and fully costed manifesto.
“And I've received more personal abuse than any other leader has ever received by a great deal of the media.”
If only part leadership involved more than increasing membership and making a part manifesto.
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Brexit is absolutely happening, but it might end up being a lot softer than the Brexit Johnson was pushing before. He’s got an unstoppable majority and five years to do whatever he likes. The influence of hard Brexiteers like Rees-Mogg (did he ever turn up actually?) has waned into nothing. Unless Cummings is the real prime minister, Johnson is going to go for whatever causes him the least amount of hassle. He’ll quite happily go with a Brexit that’s basically remain but with no MEPs if it won’t cause much fuss in his party. He knows he can sell it to the public no problem, and he doesn’t have to care about an election.
They'll never give Scotland their referendum.
Irish reunification maybe, if only because it "solves" the border "problem" and they aren't relying upon DUP votes for a government.
What are the odds all the new crazy Tory MPs try and scuttle the deal to ensure a No Deal Brexit?
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I predict that the next election will be within 5 years
Its probably not non-zero, but since the bellend in charge is the OG crazy Tory, not likely.
This is particularly damning because he's saying that Remain is a loser position. That it was always a loser position. And that Remain voters should shut up, accept that they lost, and lay back and think of England.
Interesting too, considering that overall Lib Dems did better in vote share than the last election. FPTP sucks however. I guess she should have worked around that.
He... he knows she lost her seat to the SNP, right?
He's in East Dun, usually votes Lib Dem, and I know voted Tory this time. I also know he will hate the fact that the SNP have won it.
We specifically had quite a fiery argument about tactical voting to avoid the outcome that you don't want (his opinion is that tactical voting is, in some sense, cheating).
Cities of London & Westminster tactical.vote suggested voting Labour
Results:
Nickie Aiken (Conservative) 17,049
Chuka Umunna (Liberal Democrat) 13,096
Gordon Nardell (Labour) 11,624
The only way this works is for candidates to step down ahead of time, everything else is just white noise.
Really like that Remainers are now seen as the problem and are to be comprehensively ignored...
It's also a prime example of controlling the narrative - something Corbyn wilfulyl dropped the ball on after the referendum. I expect the narrative in this one will be that 'the country supports brexit' and 'labour leavers'. In turn it'll put pressure on the next Labour leader to support brexit - and thus throw away the rest of the remain vote.
Probably because Leave 'won'. Elections Have Consequences, Overturning Elections, Overwhelming Mandate, blahblah.
I think Johnson said they’ll abolish it.
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Fixed term parliaments, or just term limits in general? An election every 50 years or so ought to do it, right?
Also, Remainers are going to be seen as "those wankers that let the Tories win" so is going to be an incredibly toxic political position. Wouldn't be surprised to see many pro-Remain politicians to change their tune to "Is The Will Of The People".
There's definitely a line of thought among some lawyers that, constitutionally, Westminster consent is not explicitly required to enact the results of an independence referendum, and of course this has never been legally tested
Holding one has never required Westminster consent
Really want it. So much that they swapped from who they usually vote for to the Tories because of their repeated "get Brexit done" slogan.
I wonder if there's some part of the Tory party that realizes that Scottish Independence might not be a bad thing.
If you remove all 59 Scottish seats (including the 6 you won), you're going from 364/650 (56%) in the House to 358/591 (60.57%).
You get to take a large portion of your opposition, and just remove them from Parliament.
It looks like it's a little more difficult with Ireland, with the conservative partnership ebbing and flowing, but with Scotland, if they're not likely to get a majority again, it actually looks like it's in the best interest of the party to allow them to leave, and cement their own power.
Amusingly since they're trying to kill it
Honestly if he does that it'll take a lot of the sting off this Tory victory. FTPA has to die. Thinking in the long term any government that gets rid of it is doing the country a good turn.
I was expecting this but it will be interesting to see how it turns out.
It's their last remaining tiny empire
The appeal of "Get Brexit Done" strikes me as being less about brexiting and more about not having to deal with the issue anymore. At least, in voters's minds. They think it'll be done and over with.
Oil and some gas I think. Plus it just diminishes on the world stage to start having segments just secede. Tonight I pray, harder than I apparently prayed for a hung parliament, that BJ's heart just explodes from the congested backlog of rich meats and caviar that prick gorges on.
Brexit has been the only item on political news for going on four years now. If I was a low information voter and thought that once we leave then everything related to it was finished, I could absolutely see wanting to just be done with the bloody thing.
If there is no Corbynism, he should support a successor rather than remaining the leader after two failed elections. If there is nobody else that can do it, the movement fucked up.
Absolute wanker. Just fuck off.
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