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[Second Impeachment] Acquitted of Armed Insurrection | 57 Votes for Guilty
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This thread is literally a retinue of folks telling everyone how upset they’re allowed to be, and whom they can and cannot hold accountable for today’s clusterfuck.
You’re literally doing it right now.
like this
Why? Why is this off topic? Whenever we have one of these discussions about political news in America, and the democrats fumble shit, when we cry out about it, it gets shouted down as being irrelevant to the conversation at hand despite, despite the fact that the reason we’re pissed is because of how the Democrats handled the issue at hand.
After a while, it feels less like we’re somehow getting off the point and more like something akin to tone policing to keep folks from voicing their discontent with the party.
in that case i don't understand why they wanted to allow witnesses
The thing is, the Republicans proved that you can force the voters to care. Because they hammered on "her emails" for so long that even Democrats cared about it, and assumed Clinton did something particularly wrong there, because if not why did investigation go on for so long, why so many investigations, why did Comey make a comment, etc.
So if you don't flop over like a dead fish you can get people to care. Unfortunately Democrats only know how to flop over like a dead fish and chew gum, and they're all out of gum.
But fuck you — no, fuck y'all, that's as blunt as it gets"
- Kendrick Lamar, "The Blacker the Berry"
Good for you, random guy that works for Naughty Dog?
Again, the vote is not the point. They were always going to lose it. It's a symbolic gesture with no impact.
The trial is where they could fight Trump and win. And instead they decided to walk away.
This is "I'm an activist on your side because I put a temporary frame around my facebook profile picture" level of objection to the coup, by people who could and should have done more but refused to.
You make a compelling counter-point, random guy on the internet.
I watched almost the entire impeachment and thought they effectively made their case.
The idea here would be to get clips, sound bites, and media coverage for people who didn't watch almost the entire impeachment.
They literally spent 3 days doing the exact opposite. You are outraging yourself into an alternate reality, here.
And that was going to come from witnesses?
I know, my reply to his tweet is virtually nonexistent.
It's almost as if I don't have a twitter account entirely to avoid a platform dedicated to hot takes from random people.
That's my point? Well, that and it's misleading to say he "always votes with with Rs" when it's the definition of splitting the difference.
Oh, and the average R? Over 89% with Trump.
May not like the 52%, but its a hell of a lot better than the alternative.
I mean I quoted Chuck Wendig too, but go off I guess
I am so mad that I will vote for a more progressive candidate, be it dem or independent, than waste a vote on a "middle of the road, let's work together and be nice cause u-n-i-t-y spells unity" dem.
The only benefits of witnesses would be if they could get Trump on the stand or if they are hoping to catch someone perjuring themselves.
Otherwise the three days of presentations already showed the same quotes, facts, videos and photos they would get from any witnesses. The only reason witnesses came up at all was about the one call.
They've literally only been away for like three weeks and have gotten checks watch nothing done.
Like I'm in agreement that recess time is actually important, but, like, maybe actually fucking do something before you decide to fuck off back home for Valentine's Day
i get it was a forgone conclusion but good lord
This is a super backwards take because the most powerful democrat pushing to end impeachment is the one that would rather the senate be working on this stuff.
Before we go back into the "both-and" rigamorale: I'm not defending his choice, but Biden has clearly not given a shit about impeachment from the start, and has been pushing senators to cobble together his 1.9 bil covid plan ASAP. Legislation will happen, even if not everything that was promised. Meanwhile Biden never even ran on impeaching Trump or sending his DoJ after him.
Yes....?
Yes.
That was also asinine.
But I chose to simply roll my eyes rather than say anything.
Then when you did the same god damned thing 10 minutes later I felt I should say something.
Because the president doesn't run the legislature? And I know we got used to Trump abusing his power with the DOJ but I'd rather Biden not be directing his DOJ, I'd rather they do their own investigations independent of the president.
But you are right he didn't run or win on doing shit about Trump post election.
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Not really, to all of these.
The only useful witnesses would be people that made attempts to stop this while it was happening. Those that tried to call for reinforcements and were denied, those that spoke to Trump and recognized that he knew what was happening and didn't care because they point toward the conspiracy to engineer the attack and Trumps knowledge and intent regarding it.
It'd be nice to hear, but it wouldn't have changed anything with the vote, and I don't think it would matter much to anyone else because most people already think Trump is responsible, and most people wanted him removed before Biden was sworn in. There's not a publicity needle that we need them to move.
It's not that I don't think there should have been witnesses, I just don't see how not having them has people twisted into such knots that they believe not having them is the equivalent of not even bothering to try because you can't say that in good faith while also knowing the kind of case the House Managers had already made.
They wanted one specific witness because of a news story that broke last night because this is new information that just came out.
Very much the bolded. The DOJ is absolutely not supposed to be the President's hatchet man.
That's kind of the modus operandi, do the right thing half way, which ends up being worse than not doing it at all in many cases
like not even bothering to impeach again while giving "it won't be a fair effort" as a reason would have been better than half assing it
Because he has to be convicted first
If you think that was the only witness to the events of an insurrection that the public wanted on the record and it to be acknowledged that the Republicans were willing to ignore to commit fully to hitching their cart behind a anti-democratic fascist horse, well... good luck with that when so much as a peep about what they went through leading up to and on Jan 6 is making headlines. Witnesses getting choked up sharing their experience would have mattered for a lot, politics isn't just practiced with logic but emotion, exactly what witnesses' body language, faces, and voices convey.
shit since we DID get 7 if we had a few days of witnesses giving harrowing testimony they might have actually convicted him
But I do understand why they wrapped when they did and even if I don't completely agree I realize why they could have come to that decision for reasons other than being terrible cowards.
I thought there were pages of discussion saying that conviction wasn't necessary for that vote.
Mostly because everyone knew there was no other way this could go so they were looking for some way for this to be effective in some way even though this has basically just been a foregone conclusion since the moment these shit heads started storming the Capitol.
Shockingly some people on the internet were wrong.