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[Hiberno-Britannic Politics] - Tories Dropping like Johnson's Flies

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    SharpyVIISharpyVII Registered User regular
    A new statue of Margaret Thatcher was put up in Grantham, Lincolnshire earlier today.

    It was egged within two hours.

    Sometimes people are alright.

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    BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Bluster Kerfuffle Master of Windy ImportRegistered User regular
    Another strong showing for Rees Mogg in this round of Upper Class Twit of the Year!

    He needs to pull an Oliver Singen-Mollusk and run himself over with a Jaguar.

    No matter where you go...there you are.
    ~ Buckaroo Banzai
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    SharpyVIISharpyVII Registered User regular
    Looks like an announcement about abandoning parts or all of the Northern Ireland protocol is imminent.

    What with the war now was not the time to oust Boris for breaking the law whilst Prime Minister but now is the time to start a trade war with the EU and renege on international obligations.

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    evilthecatevilthecat Registered User regular
    SharpyVII wrote: »
    Looks like an announcement about abandoning parts or all of the Northern Ireland protocol is imminent.

    What with the war now was not the time to oust Boris for breaking the law whilst Prime Minister but now is the time to start a trade war with the EU and renege on international obligations.

    Give it some time, I'm sure stuff with start right back up in NI, as well.

    tip.. tip.. TALLY.. HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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    BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited May 2022
    The NI Protocol required by its design trade barriers and checks in the Irish Sea-a choice by this PM...and yet now the govt is trying to convince people its flagship achievement was not a negotiating triumph but so flawed that they cannot abide by it.

    Either they did not understand their own agreement, were not up front about the reality of it or intended to break it all along. The PM negotiated it, signed it, ran an election campaign on it- he must take responsibility for it.

    From the Labour shadow Foreign Minister in response to Liz Truss's statement announcing they're going to rip up only some of the treaty they signed. A reasonable summation.

    Bogart on
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    Quantum TigerQuantum Tiger Registered User regular
    They will rip up the treaty in a very specific and limited way

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    daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    I haven't seen any details on what parts they're ripping up, I assume they're going to ditch any plans on the sea border and dare the EU to install checks between RoI and NI in order to protect the single market.

    Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
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    evilthecatevilthecat Registered User regular
    I mean this could just be "removing the NIP 2.0: bluffing harder".

    Truss claims the changes wont break international law, no idea how unilateral changes aren't illegal.

    tip.. tip.. TALLY.. HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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    klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    evilthecat wrote: »
    I mean this could just be "removing the NIP 2.0: bluffing harder".

    Truss claims the changes wont break international law, no idea how unilateral changes aren't illegal.

    They'll pass a law to make it legal to break international law. The international community will have to accept that, or they're not respecting our sovereignty!

    Nobody remembers the singer. The song remains.
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    daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    Maybe the government thinks that with the economic hit from the war in Ukraine the EU might not be willing to retaliate. Assuming the government has put any thought into this at all.

    Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
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    klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    daveNYC wrote: »
    Maybe the government thinks that with the economic hit from the war in Ukraine the EU might not be willing to retaliate. Assuming the government has put any thought into this at all.

    What government would be willing to take a course of action that results in economic self-harm, purely out of principle?

    *ahem*

    Nobody remembers the singer. The song remains.
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    zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    edited May 2022
    klemming wrote: »
    daveNYC wrote: »
    Maybe the government thinks that with the economic hit from the war in Ukraine the EU might not be willing to retaliate. Assuming the government has put any thought into this at all.

    What government would be willing to take a course of action that results in economic self-harm, purely out of principle?

    *ahem*
    The US: "We are busy at the moment giving away entire nations worth of GDP in weapons. Come back later"
    UK: "Hold my beer."

    zepherin on
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    JazzJazz Registered User regular
    Tory MP arrested on suspicion of rape and banned from Commons – reports
    A Tory MP has been arrested on suspicion of sexual offences, it has been reported, with the party banning him from attending the House of Commons.

    Following the report, a Conservative Whips’ Office spokesperson said the MP would be asked not to come to parliament. “The chief whip has asked that the MP concerned does not attend the parliamentary estate while an investigation is ongoing. Until the conclusion of the investigation we will not be commenting further.”

    Scotland Yard told the Sun, which revealed the arrest: “A man was arrested on suspicion of indecent assault, sexual assault, rape, abuse of position of trust and misconduct in a public office.”

    I can't imagine it'll take long to figure out who, but add that to the higher end of the MPs, and specifically Tories, (allegedly) doing all the crimes.

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    BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator mod
    I shit you not but this week was, on the Tory issue board, going to be Crime Week.

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    RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    Bogart wrote: »
    I shit you not but this week was, on the Tory issue board, going to be Crime Week.

    Subtlety, Cowards etc.

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    Red or AliveRed or Alive Registered User regular
    Wasn't Mark Francois heavily rumoured last year to be the subject of sexual assault allegations?

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    Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    I'm shocked that a Tory MP under suspicion of sexual offences has been asked to not come to work

    None of the rest of it, though

    [Muffled sounds of gorilla violence]
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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Bogart wrote: »
    I shit you not but this week was, on the Tory issue board, going to be Crime Week.

    For or against?

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    Bad-BeatBad-Beat Registered User regular
    Wasn't Mark Francois heavily rumoured last year to be the subject of sexual assault allegations?

    He's trending on twitter... :*

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    japanjapan Registered User regular
    moniker wrote: »
    Bogart wrote: »
    I shit you not but this week was, on the Tory issue board, going to be Crime Week.

    For or against?

    Depends who's committing it

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    GumpyGumpy There is always a greater powerRegistered User regular
    Gumpy wrote: »
    Nova_C wrote: »
    Spare the economy? Fucking what?

    We do want to maximise the average persons purchasing power rather than wages, right?

    Latest stats from the Beeb

    Did pay manage to beat inflation?

    Pay, excluding bonuses, rose by 4.2% between January and March but failed to keep up with the rising cost of living - which hit 7% in March and is expected to go higher.

    It meant that pay, when adjusted for the impact of rising prices, and excluding bonuses, dropped by 1.2% - the biggest fall since 2013.


    A lot of people are calling this a cost of living crisis.
    Gumpy wrote: »
    Why don't you tell us who deserves a real terms pay cut to keep further inflation at bay?

    We're seeing Lawyers getting six figures in their first jobs on completing a traineeship at the moment, we rely too much on public sector consultants, with those involved in track and trace getting upwards of a grand a day and senior public sector workings in the rail industry are earning around three to four times the amount of the Prime Minister at the moment.

    On the subject of who has managed to make a profit out of this

    Mr Morgan said: "Continued strong bonuses in some sectors such as construction and especially finance mean that total pay is continuing to grow faster than prices on average, but underlying regular earnings are now falling sharply in real terms.

    Bonuses are up, rich getting richer - though hopefully there are good counterexamples in this thread where it's played out differently.

    I've had my head stuck in Ukraine for the last few months, but it's weird to see that NIP, Government Reform, and the war have all poked up in the thread in a medley - some help on them would be appreciated.

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    CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    I'm losing track, is this the second Tory MP charged with rape in the past couple of months?

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    japanjapan Registered User regular
    Casual wrote: »
    I'm losing track, is this the second Tory MP charged with rape in the past couple of months?

    Yeah, Imran Ahmad Khan was convicted of sexually assaulting a fifteen year old

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    BurnageBurnage Registered User regular
    Faisal Islam is Economics Editor of BBC News:


    UK Inflation hits 40 year high on the CPI measure of 9%

    Don't even know what to say about this aside from rough times ahead, I guess.

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    AhhhhhHHHHHH

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    BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator mod
    Casual wrote: »
    I'm losing track, is this the second Tory MP charged with rape in the past couple of months?

    This is a new one. Not the Tory nonce who quit being an MP a month ago. Nor the Dover Tory MP who was convicted of sexual assault a couple of years ago. Also not the Tory MP who was caught watching porn in the Commons. Or the other Tory MP who was suspended following allegations of sexual harassment and pictures of him next to a big pile of coke. Nor is it

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    surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    edited May 2022
    Gumpy wrote: »
    I've had my head stuck in Ukraine for the last few months, but it's weird to see that NIP, Government Reform, and the war have all poked up in the thread in a medley - some help on them would be appreciated.

    i imagine the key bit of help with the NIP the government need would be for it to have been 1) better made (if only they could find who drafted it) 2) signed by a party who intended to hold to it (if only we could find those naughty boys) 3) done with the consent of the primary theoretical political allies of the government rather than over their bitter protests (good lord strange how these pile up) 4) for them to give one iota of a flying fuck about northern ireland at all 5) for them to have been serious about solving any of the actual problems involved rather than desperately yelling there are no problems and kicking the can down the road

    lets not pretend they are serious

    lets not pretend they are capable of being helped as if somehow the failures are an honest effort gone wrong rather than the natural consequence of idiocy, dishonesty and short-sighted political calculus shorn of all seriousness

    there is not one single solitary thing any official could have done which is sad really when u think about it

    surrealitycheck on
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    CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    Gumpy wrote: »
    I've had my head stuck in Ukraine for the last few months, but it's weird to see that NIP, Government Reform, and the war have all poked up in the thread in a medley - some help on them would be appreciated.

    i imagine the key bit of help with the NIP the government need would be for it to have been 1) better made (if only they could find who drafted it) 2) signed by a party who intended to hold to it (if only we could find those naughty boys) 3) done with the consent of the primary theoretical political allies of the government rather than over their bitter protests (good lord strange how these pile up) 4) for them to give one iota of a flying fuck about northern ireland at all 5) for them to have been serious about solving any of the actual problems involved rather than desperately yelling there are no problems and kicking the can down the road

    lets not pretend they are serious

    lets not pretend they are capable of being helped as if somehow the failures are an honest effort gone wrong rather than the natural consequence of idiocy, dishonesty and short-sighted political calculus shorn of all seriousness

    there is not one single solitary thing any official could have done which is sad really when u think about it

    I guess the question a lot of us are asking now is what is going to happen next and how is it going to make our lives measurably worse than they already are?

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    surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    Casual wrote: »
    Gumpy wrote: »
    I've had my head stuck in Ukraine for the last few months, but it's weird to see that NIP, Government Reform, and the war have all poked up in the thread in a medley - some help on them would be appreciated.

    i imagine the key bit of help with the NIP the government need would be for it to have been 1) better made (if only they could find who drafted it) 2) signed by a party who intended to hold to it (if only we could find those naughty boys) 3) done with the consent of the primary theoretical political allies of the government rather than over their bitter protests (good lord strange how these pile up) 4) for them to give one iota of a flying fuck about northern ireland at all 5) for them to have been serious about solving any of the actual problems involved rather than desperately yelling there are no problems and kicking the can down the road

    lets not pretend they are serious

    lets not pretend they are capable of being helped as if somehow the failures are an honest effort gone wrong rather than the natural consequence of idiocy, dishonesty and short-sighted political calculus shorn of all seriousness

    there is not one single solitary thing any official could have done which is sad really when u think about it

    I guess the question a lot of us are asking now is what is going to happen next and how is it going to make our lives measurably worse than they already are?

    there will probs be some kind of fudge but it strongly depends on what happens in stormont and what the eu end up feeling it is sensible to suggest if there is either a) violence b) really serious misbehaviour by uk gov beyond merely yelling about article 16 for the 8 millionth time

    there is an imaginary world where the gov accepts a bunch of the mitigation measures suggested by the eu earlier this year and negotiate a few more while accepting a few minor dings but this will not happen because they are a joke

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    edited May 2022
    Solar was warned for this.
    I hate the government so much

    I literally hope they all die in a fire

    Bogart on
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    BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator mod
    This is at least the tenth time I've said this but DO NOT wish for or advocate death or serious harm on people, even the hopeless, incompetent pieces of shit that are this government.

    Because it can VERY OBVIOUSLY get the forums into trouble.

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    Redcoat-13Redcoat-13 Registered User regular
    Burnage wrote: »
    Faisal Islam is Economics Editor of BBC News:


    UK Inflation hits 40 year high on the CPI measure of 9%

    Don't even know what to say about this aside from rough times ahead, I guess.

    Guys....it's just a matter of buying value brands, or learning how to cook, or just go get a better paid job, or ride the bus for a bit.

    PSN Fleety2009
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    CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    I am genuinely curious what the stats are for the number of sex offenders in the PCP compared to an average population sample? Obviously not that much of an issue with an 80 seat majority but if the next election is as close as it looks attrition to criminal convictions could be a serious concern for them...

    The rapists are a big enough problem for them but throw in the financial crimes/corruption, drugs offences, hit and runs (yep that's happened in this parliament), sexual harassment ect ect. They need to factor in losing ~5 MPs a year to the police.

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    altidaltid Registered User regular
    Casual wrote: »
    I am genuinely curious what the stats are for the number of sex offenders in the PCP compared to an average population sample? Obviously not that much of an issue with an 80 seat majority but if the next election is as close as it looks attrition to criminal convictions could be a serious concern for them...

    The rapists are a big enough problem for them but throw in the financial crimes/corruption, drugs offences, hit and runs (yep that's happened in this parliament), sexual harassment ect ect. They need to factor in losing ~5 MPs a year to the police.

    There's a solution for that - make sure the police do only what you tell them to.
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/may/15/priti-patel-accused-of-power-grab-over-new-policing-proposals

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    GumpyGumpy There is always a greater powerRegistered User regular
    Gumpy wrote: »
    I've had my head stuck in Ukraine for the last few months, but it's weird to see that NIP, Government Reform, and the war have all poked up in the thread in a medley - some help on them would be appreciated.

    i imagine the key bit of help with the NIP the government need would be for it to have been 1) better made (if only they could find who drafted it) 2) signed by a party who intended to hold to it (if only we could find those naughty boys) 3) done with the consent of the primary theoretical political allies of the government rather than over their bitter protests (good lord strange how these pile up) 4) for them to give one iota of a flying fuck about northern ireland at all 5) for them to have been serious about solving any of the actual problems involved rather than desperately yelling there are no problems and kicking the can down the road

    lets not pretend they are serious

    lets not pretend they are capable of being helped as if somehow the failures are an honest effort gone wrong rather than the natural consequence of idiocy, dishonesty and short-sighted political calculus shorn of all seriousness

    there is not one single solitary thing any official could have done which is sad really when u think about it

    Ha, definitely not asking for folk to help the Government on these things, but it's been remarkably tough getting anyone to really lean in on the official level to help set a new direction. Anyone who wants to get involved and is on the inside, hit me up.

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    surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    in another capacity ive been asked to assist in the trolling of senior officials at BEIS about nuclear power plants so im doing my part to ruin life for officials everywhere

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    evilthecatevilthecat Registered User regular
    in another capacity ive been asked to assist in the trolling of senior officials at BEIS about nuclear power plants so im doing my part to ruin life for officials everywhere

    What is your job, exactly?

    tip.. tip.. TALLY.. HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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    GumpyGumpy There is always a greater powerRegistered User regular
    in another capacity ive been asked to assist in the trolling of senior officials at BEIS about nuclear power plants so im doing my part to ruin life for officials everywhere

    Oh! We had them in last week to chat. Are we not a fan of BEIS nuclear?

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    surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    evilthecat wrote: »
    in another capacity ive been asked to assist in the trolling of senior officials at BEIS about nuclear power plants so im doing my part to ruin life for officials everywhere

    What is your job, exactly?

    if i was working properly i would be a computational neuroscientist but instead i just crab around

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    surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    edited May 2022
    Gumpy wrote: »
    in another capacity ive been asked to assist in the trolling of senior officials at BEIS about nuclear power plants so im doing my part to ruin life for officials everywhere

    Oh! We had them in last week to chat. Are we not a fan of BEIS nuclear?

    generic idea is, aside from being boris-driven, fine as far as it goes but the specific epr at hinkley is v likely to be up shit creek £25bn price tag and delays aside; even considering building one at sizewell c is categorically insane. the epr is such an awful idea even the french gov arent considering building any more and are ahem building the epr2 instead, the chinese got their fill of it and are building no more and sticking to their own design, so the idea we would go from scratch to build a new one in the year of our lord 20-whenever is comical in cost per mw terms, speed and just... working

    and certainly its unjustifiable to do much more at hinkley until the epr at flamanville takes account of whatever has happened at taishan, but the chinese regulators are saying nothing and all evidence suggests u have really severe - and known by the french nuclear regulators - fundamental flow defects in the reactor vessel but yeah its all jolly

    problem is its nominally 7% of uk power so...

    its very funny to me that the gov is suggesting we need nuclear to provide reliable energy then buy it from edf when multiple times over the last few months 28 of the 56 french reactors have been offline

    surrealitycheck on
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