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    AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    yeah red and blue decks are pretty weak

    they're good at the start as you're learning so you don't have too many mechanics thrown your way

    otherwise they then feel more like challenge decks

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    milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    I'd say Black Deck is way more like a challenge deck than any of the color decks, the economy penalty is absolutely brutal early

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    TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    milski wrote: »
    I'd say Black Deck is way more like a challenge deck than any of the color decks, the economy penalty is absolutely brutal early

    Yeah the double whammy since unused hands also generate money makes it real tough.

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    Corporal CarlCorporal Carl Registered User regular
    This games results in a lot of confirmation bias.

    Playing the spade/heart flush deck, getting the joker that makes planets and planet packs free, and getting your first Jupiter around Ante 8 is quite insanity inducing.
    While I'm doing great with the flush deck, Purple difficulty is absolutely murdering me.

    The amount of times that I get a Polychrome joker that will die after a while has been uncountable.

    I have the impression that the game becomes more difficult the more jokers you unlock, because you get a lot of coins/mult jokers.
    This can result in not getting past the first boss if he decids to halve coins & mult, and you haven't got a planet or points-joker.

    Most fun combination I had was Midas Mask (face cards become gold) and Vampire (get +0.2 Mult when he removes the enchantment from a card), and a Queen Mult 13 joker after a Spectral card decided to change a bunch of cards to Queens. About half my deck was queens, and the vampire was very happy about that.

    Most insane run was getting the Skip Blind +0.25 Mult joker, skipping a blind which gave me a spectral pack which had the duplicate-joker-destroy-all-the-others, so I got 2 skip-blinders, defeating the Ante 1 boss and getting the Blueprint (copy rjoker to the right). As a result I decided to be idiotic and skip every possible blind, getting to an Ante 8 boss that decided to shuffle all my jokers. But all my jokers were xMult :smiley:
    Didn't survive blind 9.

    I haven't managed to gather $400, or get to ante 12 yet. That stuff is brutal, and RNGesus can be very fickle at times...

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    AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    Oh, yeah there are other decks that are definitely bigger challenges than red/blue, or at least are high risk high reward.

    I'd say the easiest ones (that you can unlock early) are like yellow, checkered, and abandoned.

    but you didn't get to start with them which adds a bit of early difficult y

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    fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
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    TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    edited February 29
    I managed to get the $400 unlock with I think the green deck. It took several tries since you have to have enough money economy to amass a bunch of wealth while still having enough good jokers and spending enough that you can survive long enough to do so. Tarot packs and purple seals were key between hermits and temperance. I think I just barely managed to hit it on the last blind I was able to clear with a hermit from a pack.
    edit: also I had to go endless to do it. Which occurred to me late in the run TBH. I was at like, Ante 7 and stressing before I was like, wait I should be able to at least clear 9 with what I've got going on and Endless still counts for unlocks.

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    Corporal CarlCorporal Carl Registered User regular
    My personal favourite joker (for the flush deck) is the "castle" joker, the one that gives coins for discarding cards. Because you only have 2 suits in that deck, you always have a kind of discard-suit, and a play-suit.

    In one game I had racked up more than 500 coins with that joker, so you, I lik it a lot :smiley:

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    SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG! Registered User regular
    Posting this here as well, because this seems like something completely obvious but I somehow missed it and it should help other newbies:

    +3 MULT is very different from X3 MULT. One will add 3 to your current mult, the other will multiply your mult by 3.

    I was wondering why a legendary joker was X3 MULT compared to my common +10 MULT.

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    CantidoCantido Registered User regular
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    SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Fuck Warren Ellis Registered User regular
    Satsumomo wrote: »
    Posting this here as well, because this seems like something completely obvious but I somehow missed it and it should help other newbies:

    +3 MULT is very different from X3 MULT. One will add 3 to your current mult, the other will multiply your mult by 3.

    I was wondering why a legendary joker was X3 MULT compared to my common +10 MULT.

    This same fact is why it's also really important to make sure you're ordering your jokers appropriately.

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    TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    Satsumomo wrote: »
    Posting this here as well, because this seems like something completely obvious but I somehow missed it and it should help other newbies:

    +3 MULT is very different from X3 MULT. One will add 3 to your current mult, the other will multiply your mult by 3.

    I was wondering why a legendary joker was X3 MULT compared to my common +10 MULT.

    This same fact is why it's also really important to make sure you're ordering your jokers appropriately.

    Yep, you want your additive mult sources before your multiplicative sources.
    For similar reasons, that joker that makes your first triggered face card give x2 mult is kind of mediocre. It means you generally need to move your first face card as far right as possible so that any sources of mult that come from cards triggering go before it, as it will trigger before most jokers get applied so the bonus isn't as effective. It can be helpful if you play a hand with a large base mult, but it's still not great.

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    SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG! Registered User regular
    Oh wow, you have to also order your hand to maximize this effect. E.g. you have face cards give X2 multiplier, before you play your hand, you must drag the card to the right so it applies to the end.

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    TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    Satsumomo wrote: »
    Oh wow, you have to also order your hand to maximize this effect. E.g. you have face cards give X2 multiplier, before you play your hand, you must drag the card to the right so it applies to the end.

    Yeah, so if you have mult cards you want those to trigger before glass cards or cards with xMult on trigger from Jokers. And you want your +mult jokers before your xMult jokers.
    You can also reorder your jokers between hands, which I made use of a few times when I had a joker that copied effects of other jokers. Like in my 2s deck I mentioned up thread, I had a joker that gave a +chips bonus, which permanently increased every time a 2 was scored. And I had a card that made 2s retrigger. So I might on one hand play 4 2s with red seals, and put the joker in the position where it duplicates the retrigger card, causing all the 2s to permanently boost the other joker more times. Then on the next hand I shift it over to my biggest mult joker to hit the score required to win the blind.

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    KafkaAUKafkaAU Western AustraliaRegistered User regular
    I think the only meta unlocks are the vouchers? Getting better vouchers in the pool absolutely makes runs easier, but ultimately it’s still random if you get your new and better vouchers.

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    MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
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    Never really thought about it, but he’s right. I’ve gotten a little too comfortable with winning most of the time.

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    MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    Oof, the Green deck sucks. Give me my interest!

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    SurfpossumSurfpossum A nonentity trying to preserve the anonymity he so richly deserves.Registered User regular
    re: ordering jokers, you can even do things like drag one that copies the joker next to it from one that is multiplying your score over to one that affects your payout after scoring the points but before the payout triggers

    Haven't messed around yet with trying to copy a +mult trigger and then switching it next to a xmult one to copy both

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    AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    Surfpossum wrote: »
    re: ordering jokers, you can even do things like drag one that copies the joker next to it from one that is multiplying your score over to one that affects your payout after scoring the points but before the payout triggers

    Haven't messed around yet with trying to copy a +mult trigger and then switching it next to a xmult one to copy both

    I don't think this works...
    You can move them around once scoring starts but the order they trigger in is fixed, i messed with that during my three vampire run.

    Though moving them between scoring a hand and end-of-round triggers I've never tried, that's pretty fun that it works.

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    fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
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    The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    edited March 1
    Finally won a run.

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    Then i won a second run

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    Just having 9+ 10 of hearts in the deck, ontop of it being the abandoned deck (So no face cards), it was a good time

    MNC Dover wrote: »
    Oof, the Green deck sucks. Give me my interest!

    I really like the green deck, but I hate the interest mechanic and think it's actively dumb. So green deck is great, because it's just piles of cash for good plays.

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    MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    Well, right after I made that post, I absolutely destroyed a run with the Green deck.

    Of course, all the work was done by this sick bastard:

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    Fed the mad Joker each round and basically had to adjust to my new life after seeing what it consumed. For a solid 10-12 rounds, I had the Joker that gives you +20 for only playing 3 cards or less before it got eaten. I was shredding with single hands and getting huge money. Finally sputtered out when the Big Blind was like 7.2 million.

    Then I found the 50% off everything in the store Voucher and the reroll the boss Voucher giving me a lot of breathing room.

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    SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG! Registered User regular
    With my new found knowledge, I won with a deck that net me a 1 million point hand.

    Got a vampire early in, so I started to feed it, and then got the "copies the joker to the right" card and a polychrome joker for fibonacci. In the end, I had the vampire up to 8x multiplier so I had a cool 16x base.

    Got up to ante 11 with that, mostly because I didn't have a reliable way to create chips. I often had my multi at 2500.

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    Jam WarriorJam Warrior Registered User regular
    Woo! Had my first proper silly numbers deck with these jokers:

    - Each tarot used permanently adds to multiplier.
    - Each hand played while on less than three dollars makes a tarot.
    - Vampire.

    And a blueprint for extra fun. Every hand was making two tarot most of the game which meant I had vast amounts of special cards to feed the vamp. Had to move the blueprint to be copying the vampire eventually of course.

    Didn’t reach scientific notation but got me up to a top round score of over a billion.

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    Crippl3Crippl3 oh noRegistered User regular
    I thought, with the sheer amount of Balatro I've watched, I'd be good at this game. I even won my first run!
    I've lost every single other run since then, like 20 or so. Hell, in like 5 or 6 runs tonight I never made it past ante 3 what the fuck happened

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    The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    Crippl3 wrote: »
    I thought, with the sheer amount of Balatro I've watched, I'd be good at this game. I even won my first run!
    I've lost every single other run since then, like 20 or so. Hell, in like 5 or 6 runs tonight I never made it past ante 3 what the fuck happened

    I'm still figuring out if the game is too "Go big or go home". Right now i'd summarize my take on the game as "The wise man knows they know absolutely fuck all" - i just haven't played it enough to really get a good a good feel for things.

    I am feeling like base multiplier cards are a trap , planets are really good if you can hit the hand you want consistently, and multiply the entire multiplier cards are really, really good. Buying playing card boosters is really strong, since you tend to get upgraded cards in some shape or form. Joker boosters seem like the worst?

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    Corporal CarlCorporal Carl Registered User regular
    edited March 1
    You can get murdered pretty easily by the game if it decides to give you no point-scoring jokers during the first 2 antes, and then plonks a "all base coins and mult are halved" or "lose 1 level of rank"" boss down.

    That last one is especially vicious as it can bring your lvl. to 0 (I believe this is patched on PC, but I am a console player) which means in basically no score.

    Also, the "very large blind" boss, which has a 4x more score target than the big blind before it, has killed me many times...

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    TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    Crippl3 wrote: »
    I thought, with the sheer amount of Balatro I've watched, I'd be good at this game. I even won my first run!
    I've lost every single other run since then, like 20 or so. Hell, in like 5 or 6 runs tonight I never made it past ante 3 what the fuck happened

    I'm still figuring out if the game is too "Go big or go home". Right now i'd summarize my take on the game as "The wise man knows they know absolutely fuck all" - i just haven't played it enough to really get a good a good feel for things.

    I am feeling like base multiplier cards are a trap , planets are really good if you can hit the hand you want consistently, and multiply the entire multiplier cards are really, really good. Buying playing card boosters is really strong, since you tend to get upgraded cards in some shape or form. Joker boosters seem like the worst?

    Joker boosters aren't great late game unless you have an open slot and cash you don't need to hold on to. They're not often worth selling an existing joker to open a slot unless you have some real trash jokers you don't mind lose anything by ditching. Like the ones that start strong but lose power every round if they're near end of life, or have a bunch of commons which don't necessarily give you a strong build. Etc

    But they're a good option (along with the tarot that makes one) if you have the slots, since the price of the regular pack is 4, which is as cheap or cheaper than almost every joker, and it gives your choice of at least 3, of potentially any rarity (other than maybe legendary, don't know if those can show up in packs once unlocked or only from soul cards) as well as with enhancements.

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    antheremantherem Registered User regular
    "Lose 1 rank of played hand" can't take you below 1 on the Steam version, yeah.

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    GnizmoGnizmo Registered User regular
    MNC Dover wrote: »
    Well, right after I made that post, I absolutely destroyed a run with the Green deck.

    Of course, all the work was done by this sick bastard:

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    Fed the mad Joker each round and basically had to adjust to my new life after seeing what it consumed. For a solid 10-12 rounds, I had the Joker that gives you +20 for only playing 3 cards or less before it got eaten. I was shredding with single hands and getting huge money. Finally sputtered out when the Big Blind was like 7.2 million.

    Then I found the 50% off everything in the store Voucher and the reroll the boss Voucher giving me a lot of breathing room.

    This card can get stupidly silly at higher difficulties. You eventually have to contend with random jokers getting the eternal (can't be sold or destroyed) trait. I had 4 of them and then Madness as the last one. It was just an ever increasing multiplier. I got the telescope voucher as well so that became a super solid source. Not my most insane run, but it let me bully my way pretty high.

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    TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    I could see the occasional eternal joker being really nice in those circumstances since my one run with madness eventually petered out because I wasn't able get anything going except for madness.

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    milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    Yeah, Eternal is more of a twist that makes some of the destruction jokers more viable than a pure hindrance.

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    The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    Yorick so far is the worst feeling legendary i've got, simply because he's a dead card for a very long time. Great if you can actually activate him, but 23 feels like it's just too many discards to ask.

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    milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    edited March 1
    Legendary Joker Tier List, worst to best:
    1. Chicot (disable boss blinds): You cannot afford a slot that does absolutely nothing lategame, and most builds that are devastated by a specific boss blind have better ways to pivot than using a joker slot.
    2. Canio (1x mult whenever a face card is destroyed): Too inconsistent, requiring you to have not focused on face cards and to have strong hand sculpting tools available that are probably already winning the run for you. Really cracked if you do get it with the joker that lets you discard a single card to destroy it, though.
    3. Yorick (5x mult after 23 discards): Basically 5x mult on a 2.33 ante delay. If you get it early it's great, if you get it late you can't sacrifice the slot to get it online. Anti-synergy with some solid early game keep-your-discard jokers still hurts it.
    4. Triboulet (Kings and Queens give 2x when played): Besides Canio with heavy support, the first of the Legendaries that really feels like it deserves to be in this special tier. A cracked multiplier boost for free on the face cards with some of the better support is just aces (card joke!)
    5. Perkeo (Create a Negative copy of a consumable you own after each shop): This card is fucked up and it should be incredibly obvious why it's fucked up.

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    nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    I had no idea joker order mattered

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    I got Yorrick when playing the 15-Minute City Challenge, and upon winning I made the unfortunate discovery that nothing you discover during a Challenge will be added to your Collection. I guess they don't count as "Unseeded Runs."

    Here's my notes on the decks I've won with so far. The highest I've gotten with any deck is Ante 11 with the deck I'd constructed during that Challenge (which I didn't take notes on, alas).

    Blue Deck Win
    Foil Half Joker
    +50 chips; +20 Mult if played hand contains 3 or fewer cards

    Holographic Ride the Bus
    +10 Mult; +1 Mult per consecutive hand played without a scoring face card +21

    Foil Blue Joker
    +20 chips; +2 chips for each remaining card in deck +82

    Jolly Joker
    +8 Mult if played hand contains a Pair

    Negative Castle
    +1 Joker Slot; This Joker gains +3 chips per discarded [Suit] card, suit changes every round

    Polychrome Shoot the Moon
    x1.5 Mult; +13 Mult for each Queen held in hand

    No queen in hand for final scoring, a pair of Aces with Pair at Lvl. 7

    Gold Deck Win
    Abstract Joker
    +3 Mult for each Joker card (Currently +18 Mult)

    Foil Gluttonous Joker
    +50 chips; Played cards with Club suit give +4 Mult when scored

    Wrathful Joker
    Played cards with Spade suit give +4 Mult when scored

    Constellation
    Gains X0.1 Mult per Planet card used (Currently

    Negative Blackboard
    +1 Joker slot; X3 Mult if all cards held in hand are Spades or Clubs

    The Order
    X3 Mult if played hand contains a Straight

    Chase the Flush or Straight, do Two Pair if necessary to get rid of Hearts/Diamonds

    Green Deck Win
    Supernova
    Adds the number of times poker hand has been played to Mult

    Smiley Face
    Played Face cards give +4 Mult when scored

    Polychrome Misprint
    X1.5 Mult; +[Random] Mult

    Foil Smeared Joker
    +50 chips; Hearts and Diamonds count as the same suit, Spades and Clubs count as the same suit

    Polychrome Dusk
    X1.5 Mult; Retrigger all played cards in final hand of round

    Spam Flush all day every day, with as many face cards as possible. Ended up with a more than 30 Mult from Supernova alone.

    Abandoned Deck Win
    Negative Superposition
    +1 Joker Slot; Create a Tarot card if poker hand contains an Ace and a Straight (must have room)

    Holographic Joker Stencil
    +10 Mult; X1 Mult for each empty Joker slot Joker Stencil Included


    Holographic Joker Stencil
    +10 Mult; X1 Mult for each empty Joker slot Joker Stencil Included

    There were other Negative Jokers I couldn't afford that would have been even sicker.

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    TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    milski wrote: »
    Legendary Joker Tier List, worst to best:
    1. Chicot (disable boss blinds): You cannot afford a slot that does absolutely nothing lategame, and most builds that are devastated by a specific boss blind have better ways to pivot than using a joker slot.
    2. Canio (1x mult whenever a face card is destroyed): Too inconsistent, requiring you to have not focused on face cards and to have strong hand sculpting tools available that are probably already winning the run for you. Really cracked if you do get it with the joker that lets you discard a single card to destroy it, though.
    3. Yorick (5x mult after 23 discards): Basically 5x mult on a 2.33 ante delay. If you get it early it's great, if you get it late you can't sacrifice the slot to get it online. Anti-synergy with some solid early game keep-your-discard jokers still hurts it.
    4. Triboulet (Kings and Queens give 2x when played): Besides Canio with heavy support, the first of the Legendaries that really feels like it deserves to be in this special tier. A cracked multiplier boost for free on the face cards with some of the better support is just aces (card joke!)
    5. Perkeo (Create a Negative copy of a consumable you own after each shop): This card is fucked up and it should be incredibly obvious why it's fucked up.

    A Negative Chicot is however a completely free fuck you to Boss Blinds
    I've only gotten Canio twice, but once was when I hate the All Cards Count As Face Cards joker, so even something like playing a glass 4 was contributing. I think I got it up to like 12x

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    The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    I'm trying to think what the most degenerate thing you could do with Perkeo is. Not sure yet, quite possibly one of the spectral cards (the dupe copies of a card one), or Emperor, so you just get a tidal wave of tarot cards

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    milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    I'm trying to think what the most degenerate thing you could do with Perkeo is. Not sure yet, quite possibly one of the spectral cards (the dupe copies of a card one), or Emperor, so you just get a tidal wave of tarot cards

    Observatory, 1.5x multiplier boost every blind you clear.

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    GnizmoGnizmo Registered User regular
    milski wrote: »
    I'm trying to think what the most degenerate thing you could do with Perkeo is. Not sure yet, quite possibly one of the spectral cards (the dupe copies of a card one), or Emperor, so you just get a tidal wave of tarot cards

    Observatory, 1.5x multiplier boost every blind you clear.

    There is a picture of this earlier in the thread. It gets STUPID.

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    Corporal CarlCorporal Carl Registered User regular
    edited March 1
    Killed by my own stupidity!

    Using the Spade/Hearts deck, I got a +10 "use planet card to give +0.1 Mult" joker.
    The game lovingly gave me the "All planets and planet packs are free" joker, and the "Your most played hand is always in planet packs" voucher.
    By the time he was 1.9 I had gotten a copy joker, so I tossed all my other jokers away, and copied it, so I was at x3.8 mult with inherent +20 Mult at that moment. Found a Cavendish banana for more sweet x3 Mult, and the Queens give +13 Mult when held.

    I voraciously fed planets, and a lot of them were flushes, so I was scoring well.

    I managed to beat the 7.2M blind.

    I had the "reroll boss blind" voucher and with the 10M blind I would obtain the $10 to reroll the "Very large blind" boss.

    I was scoring hands of 2.5M and 3M and the 10M was in reach.

    And then I stupidly played a Straight Flush instead of my extremely leveled up Flush, and I lost the 10M :angry: .

    For the first time the Ante 11 boss seemed possible, and I could've unlocked the Ante 12 voucher.

    But I made a mistake :disappointed:

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    TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    One thing I think i noticed last night that I haven't yet verified is that the red seal will take effect not just when a card is played, but when a card is triggered period. So for instance a steel card will trigger twice. And by extension I think that means that foil/hologram/polychrome will also apply when steel triggers?

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