hey javen, how bad is it that when i first read this thread title i giggled because i had just finished playing the part in shining force where you're in the city named 'Prompt'
i saw some people were discussing baptisms for the dead in here earlier, i have done that when i was a young girl.
i thought it was weird then, and as i got older and found out what it was all really about and all, i thought it was absolutely awful to baptize someone without their sayso, even if it is only in name.
and i had classes on this, i know the mormon point of view to the letter. the whole 'they are stuck in limbo until baptized' thing, and how they see it as a great service. it's bullshit, how pissed would they be if someone of a different faith started baptizing their names
You clearly didn't pay attention in church.
I mean seriously they teach it once a month and you still got it wrong.
How is she wrong? She just simplified it so more people would understand. Not everybody knows Mormon jargon.
yeah, i have to try and keep myself from using mormon-speak when i talk about stuff like this, because you mention wards, and people want to know what that means, or you mention the priesthood and how most dudes in the church have it and they raise their eyebrows
or you even call it 'the church' like i just did without meaning to, because that is how we're raised to talk about it, and to anyone not raised mormon it is confusing as hell
My friends have all identified what I mean when I say "the church," after years of being around me. They politely refused to dig any further.
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hey javen, how bad is it that when i first read this thread title i giggled because i had just finished playing the part in shining force where you're in the city named 'Prompt'
I spend the entire day after I got back from staying on people's couches for three weeks in America masturbating like a monkey in prison. THREE WEEKS without any Special Gentlemen's Time! Three weeks! And I went to strip clubs in that time! My balls were bluer than a... fucking... really cold... Democrat.
Hey now, you had your own room down here!
(I appreciate you not splatter-painting the walls though.)
It would have been impolite! The day after the strip club you were all "how did you sleep man" and I was all "on my fucking back with my hands weighed down under heavy books"
I spend the entire day after I got back from staying on people's couches for three weeks in America masturbating like a monkey in prison. THREE WEEKS without any Special Gentlemen's Time! Three weeks! And I went to strip clubs in that time! My balls were bluer than a... fucking... really cold... Democrat.
Hey now, you had your own room down here!
(I appreciate you not splatter-painting the walls though.)
Then that sounds like willful politeness
Maybe too much politeness
Like how Tycho Brahe died
Six weeks straight, all dudes no chicks. By week five someone could have brought in a potato that looks like a vagina and there would have been a line around the block to have sex with it.
Six weeks? Were you a counselor?
Yeah.
I did that once but we had a few female counselors to oggle over and we drank and smoked a lot.
Six weeks straight, all dudes no chicks. By week five someone could have brought in a potato that looks like a vagina and there would have been a line around the block to have sex with it.
Six weeks? Were you a counselor?
Yeah.
I did that once but we had a few female counselors to oggle over and we drank and smoked a lot.
Six weeks straight, all dudes no chicks. By week five someone could have brought in a potato that looks like a vagina and there would have been a line around the block to have sex with it.
Six weeks? Were you a counselor?
Yeah.
I did that once but we had a few female counselors to oggle over and we drank and smoked a lot.
Well it was a boy-scout camp so we didn't really have that luxury. Sometimes those of us with girlfriends would have them come up before the weekend but then you'd have to deal with half the camp (staff and campers) following you around because there is a female.
Six weeks straight, all dudes no chicks. By week five someone could have brought in a potato that looks like a vagina and there would have been a line around the block to have sex with it.
Six weeks? Were you a counselor?
Yeah.
I did that once but we had a few female counselors to oggle over and we drank and smoked a lot.
Well it was a boy-scout camp so we didn't really have that luxury. Sometimes those of us with girlfriends would have them come up before the weekend but then you'd have to deal with half the camp (staff and campers) following you around because there is a female.
Mine was a boy scout camp too. We still had a few female counselors and drank and smoked a lot.
We had to memorize prayers before we could go out and have fun.
Of course, I didn't get to have all that much fun, because I didn't know how to swim and all the fun to be had was in the water and they were all like noooooo.
So, while all the other kids went and had a good time, I just sat there.
No one to play with.
Not even any imaginary friends, even though I was in a place that strongly encouraged me to have one.
t dubh- i remember after i made the conscious decision that i wasn't mormon anymore, (my family had already gone inactive at this point, but they were still very mormon) my dad is a very well read man, and he loves discussions. so i'd be talking with my dad about religion, and i'd get this weird self conscious feeling everytime i called it 'the church' because while it had never sounded strange to be before, now it did.
and it made me feel a bit guilty too, like i was lying to them by not telling them that i didn't consider myself a member anymore. it was such a relief when i talked to my dad a year or so ago and found out that he had been doing his own research and felt the same way i did now.
he is such a smartass, when he went up to utah with my mom for christmas to visit her family, he brought up the reed smoot hearings and they all got so mad at him.
my grandma honestly 100% believes that the prophet sits in the salt lake temple and talks face to face with jesus
We had to memorize prayers before we could go out and have fun.
Of course, I didn't get to have all that much fun, because I didn't know how to swim and all the fun to be had was in the water and they were all like noooooo.
So, while all the other kids went and had a good time, I just sat there.
No one to play with.
Not even any imaginary friends, even though I was in a place that strongly encouraged me to have one.
I went on retreat with my Catholic school. Besides all the prayer and Catholic activities, I had an absolute blast. It was really just my friends and I, running amok for a whole week.
i saw some people were discussing baptisms for the dead in here earlier, i have done that when i was a young girl.
i thought it was weird then, and as i got older and found out what it was all really about and all, i thought it was absolutely awful to baptize someone without their sayso, even if it is only in name.
and i had classes on this, i know the mormon point of view to the letter. the whole 'they are stuck in limbo until baptized' thing, and how they see it as a great service. it's bullshit, how pissed would they be if someone of a different faith started baptizing their names
You clearly didn't pay attention in church.
I mean seriously they teach it once a month and you still got it wrong.
How is she wrong? She just simplified it so more people would understand. Not everybody knows Mormon jargon.
She is wrong because she is? I think it's funny that she claims to know the mormon point of view to the letter. Annnnnnd well then she makes a false statement about something they teach in church every month. To everyone.
We had to memorize prayers before we could go out and have fun.
Of course, I didn't get to have all that much fun, because I didn't know how to swim and all the fun to be had was in the water and they were all like noooooo.
So, while all the other kids went and had a good time, I just sat there.
No one to play with.
Not even any imaginary friends, even though I was in a place that strongly encouraged me to have one.
oh man when i went to church camp they gave me a spirituality award... for being sarcastic.
some girls in my cabin were screaming because a moth had gotten in, and i had told them to calm down and get into their beds and just read the bible or something.
they thought i was being serious, saying that christ comforts all.
We had to memorize prayers before we could go out and have fun.
Of course, I didn't get to have all that much fun, because I didn't know how to swim and all the fun to be had was in the water and they were all like noooooo.
So, while all the other kids went and had a good time, I just sat there.
No one to play with.
Not even any imaginary friends, even though I was in a place that strongly encouraged me to have one.
I went on retreat with my Catholic school. Besides all the prayer and Catholic activities, I had an absolute blast. It was really just my friends and I, running amok for a whole week.
We had to memorize prayers before we could go out and have fun.
Of course, I didn't get to have all that much fun, because I didn't know how to swim and all the fun to be had was in the water and they were all like noooooo.
So, while all the other kids went and had a good time, I just sat there.
No one to play with.
Not even any imaginary friends, even though I was in a place that strongly encouraged me to have one.
oh man when i went to church camp they gave me a spirituality award... for being sarcastic.
some girls in my cabin were screaming because a moth had gotten in, and i had told them to calm down and get into their beds and just read the bible or something.
they thought i was being serious, saying that christ comforts all.
I spend the entire day after I got back from staying on people's couches for three weeks in America masturbating like a monkey in prison. THREE WEEKS without any Special Gentlemen's Time! Three weeks! And I went to strip clubs in that time! My balls were bluer than a... fucking... really cold... Democrat.
Hey now, you had your own room down here!
(I appreciate you not splatter-painting the walls though.)
Back in highschool, one of my friends stayed in this one room of another friend's house for a few months for some unmentioned reason, and apparently the friend that owned the house came in there with a blacklight after the guy left and the walls were covered with dried semen, as well as a lot of the room.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, dude doesn't even bother to turn in a certain direction,
t dubh- i remember after i made the conscious decision that i wasn't mormon anymore, (my family had already gone inactive at this point, but they were still very mormon) my dad is a very well read man, and he loves discussions. so i'd be talking with my dad about religion, and i'd get this weird self conscious feeling everytime i called it 'the church' because while it had never sounded strange to be before, now it did.
and it made me feel a bit guilty too, like i was lying to them by not telling them that i didn't consider myself a member anymore. it was such a relief when i talked to my dad a year or so ago and found out that he had been doing his own research and felt the same way i did now.
he is such a smartass, when he went up to utah with my mom for christmas to visit her family, he brought up the reed smoot hearings and they all got so mad at him.
my grandma honestly 100% believes that the prophet sits in the salt lake temple and talks face to face with jesus
There's been arguments with my brother and mother about the church. My dad has always half-assed the church, and I suspect that he only joined it to my marry my mother. He drinks, doesn't go to church, and then goes and tells me that I should still be Mormon. I never really had anyone super close to support my leaving the church that truly understood it beyond "Oh, good, you left that crazy religion. I wonder why you believed in that silly stuff."
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i saw some people were discussing baptisms for the dead in here earlier, i have done that when i was a young girl.
i thought it was weird then, and as i got older and found out what it was all really about and all, i thought it was absolutely awful to baptize someone without their sayso, even if it is only in name.
and i had classes on this, i know the mormon point of view to the letter. the whole 'they are stuck in limbo until baptized' thing, and how they see it as a great service. it's bullshit, how pissed would they be if someone of a different faith started baptizing their names
You clearly didn't pay attention in church.
I mean seriously they teach it once a month and you still got it wrong.
How is she wrong? She just simplified it so more people would understand. Not everybody knows Mormon jargon.
She is wrong because she is? I think it's funny that she claims to know the mormon point of view to the letter. Annnnnnd well then she makes a false statement about something they teach in church every month. To everyone.
Okay, explain. Don't just sit there and exclaim that she's wrong, twice, without providing a counter-example.
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i saw some people were discussing baptisms for the dead in here earlier, i have done that when i was a young girl.
i thought it was weird then, and as i got older and found out what it was all really about and all, i thought it was absolutely awful to baptize someone without their sayso, even if it is only in name.
and i had classes on this, i know the mormon point of view to the letter. the whole 'they are stuck in limbo until baptized' thing, and how they see it as a great service. it's bullshit, how pissed would they be if someone of a different faith started baptizing their names
You clearly didn't pay attention in church.
I mean seriously they teach it once a month and you still got it wrong.
How is she wrong? She just simplified it so more people would understand. Not everybody knows Mormon jargon.
She is wrong because she is? I think it's funny that she claims to know the mormon point of view to the letter. Annnnnnd well then she makes a false statement about something they teach in church every month. To everyone.
i grew up mormon, and that is the very simple gist of what was taught to us, every month as you say. it is very simplified yeah, but i doubt people here want to read an essay, or really even care to know all the details of the baptisms for the dead
from wikipedia
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
In the practice of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, a living person, acting as proxy, is baptized by immersion on behalf of a deceased person of the same gender. The baptism ritual is as follows: after calling the living proxy by name, the person performing the baptism says, "Having been commissioned of Jesus Christ, I baptize you for and in behalf of [full name of deceased person], who is dead, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen." The proxy is then immersed briefly in the water. This is almost identical to the way Baptism is performed for living individuals (with slight variation in the wording). Baptism for the dead is a distinctive ordinance of the church and is based on the belief that baptism is a required ordinance for entry into the Kingdom of God.
are you talking about how i referred to waiting to enter the kindgom of heaven as 'limbo'? i was just using a term everyone knows that means 'dead, but not in heaven and not in hell'
We had to memorize prayers before we could go out and have fun.
Of course, I didn't get to have all that much fun, because I didn't know how to swim and all the fun to be had was in the water and they were all like noooooo.
So, while all the other kids went and had a good time, I just sat there.
No one to play with.
Not even any imaginary friends, even though I was in a place that strongly encouraged me to have one.
I went on retreat with my Catholic school. Besides all the prayer and Catholic activities, I had an absolute blast. It was really just my friends and I, running amok for a whole week.
"They are stuck in limbo until baptized" is a completely false characterization of the Mormon belief
oh good grief you are arguing over semantics. if anyone wished to know more they could go look it up, i was just being general and you're just being silly
So did anyone figure out why Mormons are so prompt yet?
Because I think the answer is pretty simple.
They don't have anything to do other than go around converting people.
well the missionaries get a whole lot of doors slammed in their faces, so getting a call that there is a willing ear in their area makes them really happy so they rush on over
"They are stuck in limbo until baptized" is a completely false characterization of the Mormon belief
oh good grief you are arguing over semantics. if anyone wished to know more they could go look it up, i was just being general and you're just being silly
"They are stuck in limbo until baptized" is a completely false characterization of the Mormon belief
oh good grief you are arguing over semantics. if anyone wished to know more they could go look it up, i was just being general and you're just being silly
It's not semantics. It is actually just wrong.
Okay. Tell us why, already. This will be the second time I asked you.
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"They are stuck in limbo until baptized" is a completely false characterization of the Mormon belief
oh good grief you are arguing over semantics. if anyone wished to know more they could go look it up, i was just being general and you're just being silly
It's not semantics. It is actually just wrong.
ah yes, and me saying 'the souls waiting to enter into the kingdom of heaven' is so much clearer to a non-mormon than just using a term they already know that means 'not in a good or bad place while dead yet'
"They are stuck in limbo until baptized" is a completely false characterization of the Mormon belief
oh good grief you are arguing over semantics. if anyone wished to know more they could go look it up, i was just being general and you're just being silly
It's not semantics. It is actually just wrong.
ah yes, and me saying 'the souls waiting to enter into the kingdom of heaven' is so much clearer to a non-mormon than just using a term they already know that means 'not in a good or bad place while dead yet'
why does this bother you so much?
Because it's silly. Not the idea of limbo, but the idea that you can't leave until you are baptized. The Mormon belief is that if you live on Earth you are essentially saved and you will go to Heaven. The 'limbo' you speak of is where everyone goes when they die until the rapture.
"They are stuck in limbo until baptized" is a completely false characterization of the Mormon belief
oh good grief you are arguing over semantics. if anyone wished to know more they could go look it up, i was just being general and you're just being silly
It's not semantics. It is actually just wrong.
ah yes, and me saying 'the souls waiting to enter into the kingdom of heaven' is so much clearer to a non-mormon than just using a term they already know that means 'not in a good or bad place while dead yet'
why does this bother you so much?
Because it's silly. Not the idea of limbo, but the idea that you can't leave until you are baptized. The Mormon belief is that if you live on Earth you are essentially saved and you will go to Heaven. The 'limbo' you speak of is where everyone goes when they die until the rapture.
Yup, semantics. I think people got what Bel meant.
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"They are stuck in limbo until baptized" is a completely false characterization of the Mormon belief
oh good grief you are arguing over semantics. if anyone wished to know more they could go look it up, i was just being general and you're just being silly
It's not semantics. It is actually just wrong.
ah yes, and me saying 'the souls waiting to enter into the kingdom of heaven' is so much clearer to a non-mormon than just using a term they already know that means 'not in a good or bad place while dead yet'
why does this bother you so much?
Because it's silly. Not the idea of limbo, but the idea that you can't leave until you are baptized. The Mormon belief is that if you live on Earth you are essentially saved and you will go to Heaven. The 'limbo' you speak of is where everyone goes when they die until the rapture.
Yup, semantics. I think people got what Bel meant.
"They are stuck in limbo until baptized" is a completely false characterization of the Mormon belief
oh good grief you are arguing over semantics. if anyone wished to know more they could go look it up, i was just being general and you're just being silly
It's not semantics. It is actually just wrong.
ah yes, and me saying 'the souls waiting to enter into the kingdom of heaven' is so much clearer to a non-mormon than just using a term they already know that means 'not in a good or bad place while dead yet'
why does this bother you so much?
Because it's silly. Not the idea of limbo, but the idea that you can't leave until you are baptized. The Mormon belief is that if you live on Earth you are essentially saved and you will go to Heaven. The 'limbo' you speak of is where everyone goes when they die until the rapture.
Then what's the point of being baptized in soeone else's name
I thought that was something to do with getting them into heaven without waiting for the rapture
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It is awesome
now I'm giggling at the mental picture.
It would have been impolite! The day after the strip club you were all "how did you sleep man" and I was all "on my fucking back with my hands weighed down under heavy books"
Nope.
Then that sounds like willful politeness
Maybe too much politeness
Like how Tycho Brahe died
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I did that once but we had a few female counselors to oggle over and we drank and smoked a lot.
None of those things releases semen
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Well it was a boy-scout camp so we didn't really have that luxury. Sometimes those of us with girlfriends would have them come up before the weekend but then you'd have to deal with half the camp (staff and campers) following you around because there is a female.
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Mine was a boy scout camp too. We still had a few female counselors and drank and smoked a lot.
We had to memorize prayers before we could go out and have fun.
Of course, I didn't get to have all that much fun, because I didn't know how to swim and all the fun to be had was in the water and they were all like noooooo.
So, while all the other kids went and had a good time, I just sat there.
No one to play with.
Not even any imaginary friends, even though I was in a place that strongly encouraged me to have one.
and it made me feel a bit guilty too, like i was lying to them by not telling them that i didn't consider myself a member anymore. it was such a relief when i talked to my dad a year or so ago and found out that he had been doing his own research and felt the same way i did now.
he is such a smartass, when he went up to utah with my mom for christmas to visit her family, he brought up the reed smoot hearings and they all got so mad at him.
my grandma honestly 100% believes that the prophet sits in the salt lake temple and talks face to face with jesus
She is wrong because she is? I think it's funny that she claims to know the mormon point of view to the letter. Annnnnnd well then she makes a false statement about something they teach in church every month. To everyone.
oh man when i went to church camp they gave me a spirituality award... for being sarcastic.
some girls in my cabin were screaming because a moth had gotten in, and i had told them to calm down and get into their beds and just read the bible or something.
they thought i was being serious, saying that christ comforts all.
with any of my friends i just fuck with them by telling them i am a firm supporter of pascal's wager
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Back in highschool, one of my friends stayed in this one room of another friend's house for a few months for some unmentioned reason, and apparently the friend that owned the house came in there with a blacklight after the guy left and the walls were covered with dried semen, as well as a lot of the room.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, dude doesn't even bother to turn in a certain direction,
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There's been arguments with my brother and mother about the church. My dad has always half-assed the church, and I suspect that he only joined it to my marry my mother. He drinks, doesn't go to church, and then goes and tells me that I should still be Mormon. I never really had anyone super close to support my leaving the church that truly understood it beyond "Oh, good, you left that crazy religion. I wonder why you believed in that silly stuff."
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Stop stealing my identity!
Okay, explain. Don't just sit there and exclaim that she's wrong, twice, without providing a counter-example.
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i grew up mormon, and that is the very simple gist of what was taught to us, every month as you say. it is very simplified yeah, but i doubt people here want to read an essay, or really even care to know all the details of the baptisms for the dead
from wikipedia
are you talking about how i referred to waiting to enter the kindgom of heaven as 'limbo'? i was just using a term everyone knows that means 'dead, but not in heaven and not in hell'
You Mormons should keep up.
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I thought this was explained.
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Because I think the answer is pretty simple.
They don't have anything to do other than go around converting people.
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oh good grief you are arguing over semantics. if anyone wished to know more they could go look it up, i was just being general and you're just being silly
well the missionaries get a whole lot of doors slammed in their faces, so getting a call that there is a willing ear in their area makes them really happy so they rush on over
It's not semantics. It is actually just wrong.
Okay. Tell us why, already. This will be the second time I asked you.
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ah yes, and me saying 'the souls waiting to enter into the kingdom of heaven' is so much clearer to a non-mormon than just using a term they already know that means 'not in a good or bad place while dead yet'
why does this bother you so much?
Because it's silly. Not the idea of limbo, but the idea that you can't leave until you are baptized. The Mormon belief is that if you live on Earth you are essentially saved and you will go to Heaven. The 'limbo' you speak of is where everyone goes when they die until the rapture.
Yup, semantics. I think people got what Bel meant.
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I thought that was something to do with getting them into heaven without waiting for the rapture