I like how people who have no idea what they're talking about keep commenting on the chat thread. It's like they never actually read it, they just got info from secondhand sources.
I've read it once or twice, but you're right, I'm no avid follower. Which was kind of my point.
As Athenor is discovering, SE++ serves your chat needs way better than a solitary thread that gets locked every 100 posts ever could. SE++ and G&T aren't seperate forums, they are both parts of the Penny Arcade forums designed to serve specific needs. That's why I never bothered with keeping up with the chat thread to begin with. I mean, why bother trying to suck protein out of the coffee table when there's a steak right there?
The amount of people coming out of the woodworks in the DS thread saying that it has been helpful to them in both regarding the system and learning the ropes of how G&T works totally shoots down the "die-hards" theory.
But then again, it's canned either way. I guess I should look forward to checking 20 threads about the DS instead.
But they are only just coming out of the woodwork now? Which indicates that they were just parasitic news consumers who could've found their information through google. This is a forum. It's supposed to cater to people who want to discuss things, not people who want to passively consume information.
I opposed them when they were proposed and have advocated their removal dozens of times.
Me too.
Hey, here's a shock. One of PA's worst former mods and the worst current mod agree on this! Color me surprised.
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AthenorBattle Hardened OptimistThe Skies of HiigaraRegistered Userregular
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Oh, don't get me wrong.. SE++ is quite inane at times, and sometimes my eyes bulge out at the digressions that happen in the topics...
But that doesn't mean I can't find merit. I am enjoying myself, and the only reason I'm not posting in G&T at the moment is.. well, I don't have a reason to ATM. I had already stopped going into the megathreads because the fanboyishness and such were overwhelming (and I don't have money for new DS games or a 360), so I was starting to become one of those guys who only posted in the chat thread, on reflection.
Now, I'm maintaining discussions in 3 different forums. It's a bit mroe to juggle, but it's going alright.
For some reason, however, SE++ seems to have an obsession with my habit of posting smilies to convey the context of what I post. It's... weird.
Edit: Branduil, hasn't there been enough personal attacks over the last few days? No, I'm being serious. A lot of the shitstorm that arose came in the form of personal attacks, not a discussion of the issues at hand. Now, I still don't like how this whole thing was handled.. not in the least. But so far, this thread's been pretty good about conveying our desires versus the mods. Personal attacks will just serve to get it locked faster.
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As Athenor is discovering, SE++ serves your chat needs way better than a solitary thread that gets locked every 100 posts ever could. SE++ and G&T aren't seperate forums, they are both parts of the Penny Arcade forums designed to serve specific needs. That's why I never bothered with keeping up with the chat thread to begin with. I mean, why bother trying to suck protein out of the coffee table when there's a steak right there?
Considering that the chat thread alone was more active than the entirety of SE++, I find this comment rather strange.
SE++ is not a substitute for the chat thread. I'm not saying that it's supposed to be, or that it has no place, but it fills a different void.
I opposed them when they were proposed and have advocated their removal dozens of times.
Me too.
Hey, here's a shock. One of PA's worst former mods and the worst current mod agree on this! Color me surprised.
I actually respect this. At least they're being honest and consistent here.
Personally, I can't recall ever being baffled at any particular actions that a mod has taken when it comes to enforcing the rules. Some of the recent rule changes are a different case, but that's sort of a different subject.
Y'know, exactly. If the G&T people don't like the culture of SE++, well, there are enough of you to change that culture, simply by posting there.
That would be possible if the current culture wasn't supported and reinforced by the mods.
Also, I don't care if SE++ does their own thing, but that's not what I want. I don't want to chat for the sake of chat. I want to chat with the G&T regulars. Chatting is a means to an end for me, not a goal.
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AthenorBattle Hardened OptimistThe Skies of HiigaraRegistered Userregular
edited September 2006
I think the G&T chat thread was analogous to a sprinter, whereas SE++ is more like a marathon runner, from what I've seen.
G&T's chat thread, at times, could soar in post count and volume of discussions going on to insane levels. But it never had the sheer amount, and longevity of discussion, that I've seen looking at SE++.
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But they are only just coming out of the woodwork now? Which indicates that they were just parasitic news consumers who could've found their information through google. This is a forum. It's supposed to cater to people who want to discuss things, not people who want to passively consume information.
Hey wait, I thought elitism was a bad thing now?
For as long as I've been around, G&T has been an excellent source for deciding what games suck and which ones are must-haves. It offers far better "reviews" than anything else on the web, with or without the megathreads.
I would imagine that no small number of people have noticed this, and are quite content to lurk and learn. Branding them parasites is completely uncalled for.
actually, weren't people trying to use the "G&T Chat thread was seeing more activity that SE++" as evidence to damn the G&T Chat thread?
They're wrong as well then.
I'm going to lock this thread in a minute, and the other one. Everyone is just repeating themselves. You're not going to change everything by saying how much this sucks and how much you hate the shitty stupid mods, so just cowboy up and deal with it. If it doesn't work, it can always be changed back. A lot of people here need to grow up.
I'm not disagreeing with you here, but I find it weird that this whole move is supposed to foster a better sense of community on the board when it seems to be alienating so many.
I'm not disagreeing with you here, but I find it weird that this whole move is supposed to foster a better sense of community on the board when it seems to be alienating so many.
But we'll see how it turns out I guess.
There are, what, maybe ten people complaining in here? For such a huge community, I hardly see that as "alienating so many."
Many people have left. That's also a bad use of statistics.
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I've read it once or twice, but you're right, I'm no avid follower. Which was kind of my point.
As Athenor is discovering, SE++ serves your chat needs way better than a solitary thread that gets locked every 100 posts ever could. SE++ and G&T aren't seperate forums, they are both parts of the Penny Arcade forums designed to serve specific needs. That's why I never bothered with keeping up with the chat thread to begin with. I mean, why bother trying to suck protein out of the coffee table when there's a steak right there?
But they are only just coming out of the woodwork now? Which indicates that they were just parasitic news consumers who could've found their information through google. This is a forum. It's supposed to cater to people who want to discuss things, not people who want to passively consume information.
I thought they were a good idea. Like communism.
Hey, here's a shock. One of PA's worst former mods and the worst current mod agree on this! Color me surprised.
I blame Whippy
But that doesn't mean I can't find merit. I am enjoying myself, and the only reason I'm not posting in G&T at the moment is.. well, I don't have a reason to ATM. I had already stopped going into the megathreads because the fanboyishness and such were overwhelming (and I don't have money for new DS games or a 360), so I was starting to become one of those guys who only posted in the chat thread, on reflection.
Now, I'm maintaining discussions in 3 different forums. It's a bit mroe to juggle, but it's going alright.
For some reason, however, SE++ seems to have an obsession with my habit of posting smilies to convey the context of what I post. It's... weird.
Edit: Branduil, hasn't there been enough personal attacks over the last few days? No, I'm being serious. A lot of the shitstorm that arose came in the form of personal attacks, not a discussion of the issues at hand. Now, I still don't like how this whole thing was handled.. not in the least. But so far, this thread's been pretty good about conveying our desires versus the mods. Personal attacks will just serve to get it locked faster.
he does the job right
he's just a dick sometimes
SE++ is not a substitute for the chat thread. I'm not saying that it's supposed to be, or that it has no place, but it fills a different void.
Haha! Whut?
Personally, I can't recall ever being baffled at any particular actions that a mod has taken when it comes to enforcing the rules. Some of the recent rule changes are a different case, but that's sort of a different subject.
Yeah, so hence being a total ball-ache to mod.
ACK!
My plan has been ousted!
*jumps into a shadow*
this is what I said last night
post there
don't just go "LOL YOU GUYS ARE RETARDS" (branduil)
just enjoy yourself and hey, things will start changing
Yes, or they may even learn to appreciate that culture.
That would be possible if the current culture wasn't supported and reinforced by the mods.
Also, I don't care if SE++ does their own thing, but that's not what I want. I don't want to chat for the sake of chat. I want to chat with the G&T regulars. Chatting is a means to an end for me, not a goal.
I blame Whippy
G&T's chat thread, at times, could soar in post count and volume of discussions going on to insane levels. But it never had the sheer amount, and longevity of discussion, that I've seen looking at SE++.
Hey wait, I thought elitism was a bad thing now?
For as long as I've been around, G&T has been an excellent source for deciding what games suck and which ones are must-haves. It offers far better "reviews" than anything else on the web, with or without the megathreads.
I would imagine that no small number of people have noticed this, and are quite content to lurk and learn. Branding them parasites is completely uncalled for.
some might say that the job of a mod includes being a role model in the community.
Even if CT does his moderating well, I cannot, in all honesty, agree that he's that great of a role model for forum behavior.
he's a great role model
he shows that you can still be an asshole and get power
actually, weren't people trying to use the "G&T Chat thread was seeing more activity that SE++" as evidence to damn the G&T Chat thread?
and such a thing doesn't seem, I don't know, wrong on some level?
Either way it's just after-the-fact justification for their own biases. Never let the facts get in the way of a good new forum order.
I blame Whippy
Too bad the people that need it most never will.
But we'll see how it turns out I guess.
Many people have left. That's also a bad use of statistics.
I blame Whippy
So yeah, whether G&T chat thread was more active or not is irrelevant, they'll still twist the facts to justify their measures anyway.