Bomb threats: legitimate and investigated
Threats against government: legitimate and investigated
Terrorist threats: legitimate and investigated
Threats against game developers and journalists: ?????????
Well it's pretty hard to track down the 32 year old sysadmin who used a proxy to anonymously threaten death on someone who probably lives in another part of the world
bordering on impossible actually
bomb threats and terrorist threats are easier to investigate because those are known groups and require proximity
Threats against game developers and journalists: they are hard lol
Well how would you suggest law enforcement go about it
Sorry it appears that you are the resident expert on threat response.
This was my point.
Guys, why are we even talking about this gamergate shit?
It has pervaded even mainstream media at this point.
Wow, Really? Who covered it?
Kotaku.
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i don't even know how sarkeesian got dragged into "gamergate"
like it was
1) zoe quinn made an indie title that some internet nerds thought wasn't a "real game"
2) and anyways zoe quinn is an outspoken sjw and kind of unlikeable
3) zoe quinn's ex published a long internet screed that accused her of being a shitty girlfriend and cheating on him with, among others, a contributor to kotaku
4) internet nerds redouble their attacks on zoe quinn because they don't like her outspoken opinions or her antagonistic attitude or her dumb game or her stupid pink hair
4a) also now she's a bad girlfriend and a liar and a manipulator if you take what her ex wrote to the internet at face value (which you shouldn't because who does that?)
4b) now using as an excuse that somehow all the anger directed at quinn is her role in the corruption in game journalism, which is idiotic on its face
5) criticism escalates to some threats on zoe quinn, and now death threats becomes what this is all about
6) ??
7) now people are issuing death threats to anita sarkeesian
Bomb threats: legitimate and investigated
Threats against government: legitimate and investigated
Terrorist threats: legitimate and investigated
Threats against game developers and journalists: ?????????
Well it's pretty hard to track down the 32 year old sysadmin who used a proxy to anonymously threaten death on someone who probably lives in another part of the world
bordering on impossible actually
bomb threats and terrorist threats are easier to investigate because those are known groups and require proximity
Threats against game developers and journalists: they are hard lol
Well how would you suggest law enforcement go about it
Sorry it appears that you are the resident expert on threat response.
This was my point.
I'm not an expert by any means, I just know the technical realities. Any child with google can make cyber threats with relative impunity
The state's best option is to provide counseling to the victims of these attacks if initial investigations go cold, and teach them the best ways to insulate themselves against receiving the threats in the first place (filtered calls from known sources, etc), minimizing digital footprint after changing any of your personal information
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Guys, why are we even talking about this gamergate shit?
It has pervaded even mainstream media at this point.
Wow, Really? Who covered it?
many places (including NYT) but Seth Rogan just tweeted Adam Baldwin to fuck off with his bullshit so my respect points for ol' Rogan ticked up a few points
Guys, why are we even talking about this gamergate shit?
It has pervaded even mainstream media at this point.
Wow, Really? Who covered it?
CNN has a few times now. I think some sort of Intel thing broke it wide open.
Full disclosure: I and most feminist/gaming people I know IRL are so burned out on the topic in general that we have been filtering it out. I haven't been actively following gamergate at all.
the whole gamersgate -> video game journalism corruption angle is really dumb anyway because
1. If the allegation of her having sex with a journalist who covered her is true, the asshole in that scenario is the journalist, whose name I don't even know because of how misplaced all the 'outrage' is.
2. Gaming journalism is a joke you mornos why are you acting surprised that it's a shitshow
i don't even know how sarkeesian got dragged into "gamergate"
like it was
1) zoe quinn made an indie title that some internet nerds thought wasn't a "real game"
2) and anyways zoe quinn is an outspoken sjw and kind of unlikeable
3) zoe quinn's ex published a long internet screed that accused her of being a shitty girlfriend and cheating on him with, among others, a contributor to kotaku
4) internet nerds redouble their attacks on zoe quinn because they don't like her outspoken opinions or her antagonistic attitude or her dumb game or her stupid pink hair
4a) also now she's a bad girlfriend and a liar and a manipulator if you take what her ex wrote to the internet at face value (which you shouldn't because who does that?)
4b) now using as an excuse that somehow all the anger directed at quinn is her role in the corruption in game journalism, which is idiotic on its face
5) criticism escalates to some threats on zoe quinn, and now death threats becomes what this is all about
6) ??
7) now people are issuing death threats to anita sarkeesian
There is also a huge outcry against Kotaku and Gawker media for some reason? Like, major games journalism sites are like "stop this plz dear god" and the response is to reject the Games Journalisms-illuminati.
i don't even know how sarkeesian got dragged into "gamergate"
like it was
1) zoe quinn made an indie title that some internet nerds thought wasn't a "real game"
2) and anyways zoe quinn is an outspoken sjw and kind of unlikeable
3) zoe quinn's ex published a long internet screed that accused her of being a shitty girlfriend and cheating on him with, among others, a contributor to kotaku
4) internet nerds redouble their attacks on zoe quinn because they don't like her outspoken opinions or her antagonistic attitude or her dumb game or her stupid pink hair
4a) also now she's a bad girlfriend and a liar and a manipulator if you take what her ex wrote to the internet at face value (which you shouldn't because who does that?)
4b) now using as an excuse that somehow all the anger directed at quinn is her role in the corruption in game journalism, which is idiotic on its face
5) criticism escalates to some threats on zoe quinn, and now death threats becomes what this is all about
6) ??
7) now people are issuing death threats to anita sarkeesian
I do.
The whole thing was basically sexist and there was another woman to be sexist at. Gaters didn't just now start sending Sarkeesian threats. Gaters were threatening her and tweeting her address only a bit after Quinn.
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i don't even know how sarkeesian got dragged into "gamergate"
like it was
1) zoe quinn made an indie title that some internet nerds thought wasn't a "real game"
2) and anyways zoe quinn is an outspoken sjw and kind of unlikeable
3) zoe quinn's ex published a long internet screed that accused her of being a shitty girlfriend and cheating on him with, among others, a contributor to kotaku
4) internet nerds redouble their attacks on zoe quinn because they don't like her outspoken opinions or her antagonistic attitude or her dumb game or her stupid pink hair
4a) also now she's a bad girlfriend and a liar and a manipulator if you take what her ex wrote to the internet at face value (which you shouldn't because who does that?)
4b) now using as an excuse that somehow all the anger directed at quinn is her role in the corruption in game journalism, which is idiotic on its face
5) criticism escalates to some threats on zoe quinn, and now death threats becomes what this is all about
6) ??
7) now people are issuing death threats to anita sarkeesian
she got dragged into it because she is a woman who has opinions on games
it is an anti-woman movement, one that I suspect is one of the last hurrahs for accepted intolerance of women in the gaming space
like there's always going to be sexism on the internet but the era of that being accepted and tolerated in the mainstream is coming to an end
the whole gamersgate -> video game journalism corruption angle is really dumb anyway because
1. If the allegation of her having sex with a journalist who covered her is true, the asshole in that scenario is the journalist.
2. Gaming journalism is a joke you mornos why are you acting surprised that it's a shitshow
i don't even know how sarkeesian got dragged into "gamergate"
like it was
1) zoe quinn made an indie title that some internet nerds thought wasn't a "real game"
2) and anyways zoe quinn is an outspoken sjw and kind of unlikeable
3) zoe quinn's ex published a long internet screed that accused her of being a shitty girlfriend and cheating on him with, among others, a contributor to kotaku
4) internet nerds redouble their attacks on zoe quinn because they don't like her outspoken opinions or her antagonistic attitude or her dumb game or her stupid pink hair
4a) also now she's a bad girlfriend and a liar and a manipulator if you take what her ex wrote to the internet at face value (which you shouldn't because who does that?)
4b) now using as an excuse that somehow all the anger directed at quinn is her role in the corruption in game journalism, which is idiotic on its face
5) criticism escalates to some threats on zoe quinn, and now death threats becomes what this is all about
6) ??
7) now people are issuing death threats to anita sarkeesian
You missed Brianna Wu and several other female developers who have come out with their own stories of harassment, unnervingly specific death threats, plus the female writer of the article on Gamasutra whose article apparently triggered the fuckstain movement to get Intel to pull their ads
the whole gamersgate -> video game journalism corruption angle is really dumb anyway because
1. If the allegation of her having sex with a journalist who covered her is true, the asshole in that scenario is the journalist, whose name I don't even know because of how misplaced all the 'outrage' is.
2. Gaming journalism is a joke you mornos why are you acting surprised that it's a shitshow
again, from that deadspin article (SERIOUSLY FOLKS ITS REALLY GOOD):
When Blizzard revealed the trailer for Warlords of Draenor, its newest World of Warcraft expansion, at a showcase in Los Angeles last month, it opened with the sort of ritual auto-fellatio familiar to anyone who's ever attended any corporate event. What was odd about it—or at least what would be for anyone unfamiliar with the peculiar folkways of the gaming industry—was Blizzard's choice of a master of ceremonies. There was Chris Watters of Gamespot, one of the largest gaming sites on the internet, standing on a conference stage sponsored heavily by Gamespot, hyping a trailer for a game that he had never played.
If the goal of Gamergate is to wipe out corruption in games journalism—if the movement isn't merely a bunch of loosely shaped sublimated qualms about feminism and minorities—it's doing a shit job of identifying the actual, honest-to-god problems in games writing. It's not as if those problems are hard to see. As a rule, games journalism is inherently compromised. From the top down, publishers ranging from AAA behemoths like Electronic Arts to the IndieCade crowd do in fact enjoy symbiotic relationships with gaming media outlets, and if it came down to nothing more than sex and petty corruption, that would be nice, because the problem would certainly be a lot more easily solved.
Did you see my other post? I have a friend that is an editor of a small town free newspaper that has received death threats. That's a lot closer to the mark of vidya game writer and probably has a much smaller readership than a lot of even small time bloggers
I did. I don't know why it prompted you to post an even less analogous position but I don't find that one especially compelling either. Readership for their physical paper is at its lowest at 150k+ readers. That doesn't include their internet blogs. Sarkeesian only recently had as many subscribers as the newspaper alone in the last few months.
Though out of curiosity how often was your friend's home address tweeted and retweeted by a movement totally not about misogyny hating journalists?
150K? Internet blogs? What? Dude, im talking small. The town in question has a population of 50,000. The paper is basically the pennysaver with articles. The point of both anecdotes is that if you are a public figure in any capacity some asshole is going to send you a threat. It sucks, but it's sadly the way shit has been for a long while and it's not news. There's always going to be some asshole.
Oh sorry I misread.
So how many death threats and for what?
Cause Sarkeesian isn't being attacked by that one asshole down the street that everyone knows is a total jerk.
Anonymous and does the frequency really matter?
They are threats made anonymously by one or a few people in a small audience over some bullshit like the coverage of a local car show or some thing.
I think the frequency does matter, yes. Is that a real question?
Well since we're keeping score for some reason, I think I received 2.
I have no idea how many my editor buddy receives, but they come in the form of email and "actual fucking letters".
is that enough?
Enough for what. I think the frequency matters in how it will affect someone psychologically. One is too much, but there is going to be a difference between intermittent threats and several, daily.
And the specificity. Some of those contain personal address details, names of family, schools etc.
Okay, you want specificity?
I was a letter to my parent's house anonymously that threatened me by name and said that I would pay for some unspecified wrong I did to his/her family. At the time I was working in the No department of a Health Insurance company making bullshit money.
How many tweets is that worth?
This is goosey as fuck.
there is a Chrome extension out there that changes "SJW" or to "skeleton" in any displayed web-page and it makes reading stupid Gater garbage kind of amazing:
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arch and broar have yet to contribute in any way
of course I did
Though, are you sure I didn't found a bone club? As in...I am the proud proprietor, owner, and CEO of Bone Club, the most happenin' dong-slappin' sex party joints in the 48 contiguous states
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i don't know how you could say gamers or gaming culture doesn't tend towards sexism if you've actually you know, been involved in a gaming community (esp. on the internet)
Did you see my other post? I have a friend that is an editor of a small town free newspaper that has received death threats. That's a lot closer to the mark of vidya game writer and probably has a much smaller readership than a lot of even small time bloggers
I did. I don't know why it prompted you to post an even less analogous position but I don't find that one especially compelling either. Readership for their physical paper is at its lowest at 150k+ readers. That doesn't include their internet blogs. Sarkeesian only recently had as many subscribers as the newspaper alone in the last few months.
Though out of curiosity how often was your friend's home address tweeted and retweeted by a movement totally not about misogyny hating journalists?
150K? Internet blogs? What? Dude, im talking small. The town in question has a population of 50,000. The paper is basically the pennysaver with articles. The point of both anecdotes is that if you are a public figure in any capacity some asshole is going to send you a threat. It sucks, but it's sadly the way shit has been for a long while and it's not news. There's always going to be some asshole.
Oh sorry I misread.
So how many death threats and for what?
Cause Sarkeesian isn't being attacked by that one asshole down the street that everyone knows is a total jerk.
Anonymous and does the frequency really matter?
They are threats made anonymously by one or a few people in a small audience over some bullshit like the coverage of a local car show or some thing.
I think the frequency does matter, yes. Is that a real question?
Well since we're keeping score for some reason, I think I received 2.
I have no idea how many my editor buddy receives, but they come in the form of email and "actual fucking letters".
is that enough?
Enough for what. I think the frequency matters in how it will affect someone psychologically. One is too much, but there is going to be a difference between intermittent threats and several, daily.
And the specificity. Some of those contain personal address details, names of family, schools etc.
Okay, you want specificity?
I was a letter to my parent's house anonymously that threatened me by name and said that I would pay for some unspecified wrong I did to his/her family. At the time I was working in the No department of a Health Insurance company making bullshit money.
How many tweets is that worth?
This is goosey as fuck.
It is. Especially what happened to you.
So is it also not terrible that it happened to someone else or what? Seriously, what is the point you're trying to get at here?
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This was my point.
I did't notice a difference between lady minotaurs and boy minotaurs so I think they are just a hermaphroditic society that rejects the gender binary
I guess we could get the NSA on it, do something with all that private data they collect?
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Wow, Really? Who covered it?
Have you ever seen them have sex?
Maybe they reproduce asexually.
well this is lame I want to show off my glamcock
Kotaku.
like it was
1) zoe quinn made an indie title that some internet nerds thought wasn't a "real game"
2) and anyways zoe quinn is an outspoken sjw and kind of unlikeable
3) zoe quinn's ex published a long internet screed that accused her of being a shitty girlfriend and cheating on him with, among others, a contributor to kotaku
4) internet nerds redouble their attacks on zoe quinn because they don't like her outspoken opinions or her antagonistic attitude or her dumb game or her stupid pink hair
4a) also now she's a bad girlfriend and a liar and a manipulator if you take what her ex wrote to the internet at face value (which you shouldn't because who does that?)
4b) now using as an excuse that somehow all the anger directed at quinn is her role in the corruption in game journalism, which is idiotic on its face
5) criticism escalates to some threats on zoe quinn, and now death threats becomes what this is all about
6) ??
7) now people are issuing death threats to anita sarkeesian
I'm not an expert by any means, I just know the technical realities. Any child with google can make cyber threats with relative impunity
The state's best option is to provide counseling to the victims of these attacks if initial investigations go cold, and teach them the best ways to insulate themselves against receiving the threats in the first place (filtered calls from known sources, etc), minimizing digital footprint after changing any of your personal information
actually because pony linked a good article at the end of the last thread
swing and miss
swing and miss
at least you're consistent
many places (including NYT) but Seth Rogan just tweeted Adam Baldwin to fuck off with his bullshit so my respect points for ol' Rogan ticked up a few points
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Full disclosure: I and most feminist/gaming people I know IRL are so burned out on the topic in general that we have been filtering it out. I haven't been actively following gamergate at all.
I hate linking kotaku but there it is
Seth Rogan in particular specifically called out Adam Baldwin for being a part of this garbo
1. If the allegation of her having sex with a journalist who covered her is true, the asshole in that scenario is the journalist, whose name I don't even know because of how misplaced all the 'outrage' is.
2. Gaming journalism is a joke you mornos why are you acting surprised that it's a shitshow
Lifting.
I'm pumped to get a pump once I get off this boat.
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I was indicating who brought it into this thread.
Jokingly.
Everyone got a stick up their bum in the last 14 or so minutes.
I do.
The whole thing was basically sexist and there was another woman to be sexist at. Gaters didn't just now start sending Sarkeesian threats. Gaters were threatening her and tweeting her address only a bit after Quinn.
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arch and broar have yet to contribute in any way
she got dragged into it because she is a woman who has opinions on games
it is an anti-woman movement, one that I suspect is one of the last hurrahs for accepted intolerance of women in the gaming space
like there's always going to be sexism on the internet but the era of that being accepted and tolerated in the mainstream is coming to an end
This post is a pretty good reason why
You missed Brianna Wu and several other female developers who have come out with their own stories of harassment, unnervingly specific death threats, plus the female writer of the article on Gamasutra whose article apparently triggered the fuckstain movement to get Intel to pull their ads
It's not that hard to see how it escalated
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these people need to be marginalized as much as possible
again, from that deadspin article (SERIOUSLY FOLKS ITS REALLY GOOD):
you dumb brutes are just here to carry him on your shoulders and fan him if he gets hot
Okay, you want specificity?
I was a letter to my parent's house anonymously that threatened me by name and said that I would pay for some unspecified wrong I did to his/her family. At the time I was working in the No department of a Health Insurance company making bullshit money.
How many tweets is that worth?
This is goosey as fuck.
I can't imagine being embroiled in this shit.
Y'all jelly eh
A player ain't begrudging you none though
Modesty will keep party envy in line
of course I did
Though, are you sure I didn't found a bone club? As in...I am the proud proprietor, owner, and CEO of Bone Club, the most happenin' dong-slappin' sex party joints in the 48 contiguous states
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penny arcade is an internet gaming community
do we tend towards sexism?
It is. Especially what happened to you.
So is it also not terrible that it happened to someone else or what? Seriously, what is the point you're trying to get at here?