yeah, I've seen people saying he's too dangerous to let live, but not really? Get Peter off of Ego's surface and he no longer has the cosmic juice to do much. He admits he can't send his avatars off the planet for too long and presumably they don't have the ability to reshape reality when they're so far from the 'light'.
There was no real pressing need to write him off.
But then I also dunno if there's any good way to reintroduce him later on. "Oh we gotta go back to Ego's world to get the Soul Gem!"
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If they can't find a way to bring back a Celestial who left pods of his own essence all over the universe, then they don't deserve to use Kurt Russell again.
He put a tumor in Meredith's brain because he liked her too much
Fuck that guy, I want him dead
And personally with Thanos and the Infinity War on the horizon along with the Grandmaster/Hela in Thor 3 I don't think they're gonna be running short on large cosmic threats anytime soon
The jokes were very good, the actions were very engaging, every character had interesting time spent on their relationship with other characters, the parts with feelings had lots of feelings.
I was especially taken with the visuals. Minor things like starlords gunshots were jawdroppingly unique, there was this neon 80s pink and green element to energy and fire and stuff that felt really...I dunno, cosmic. We've consumed a lot of scifi, and future spaceship laserbeam stuff draws from a lot of the same molds anymore. This is the first scifi film I've seen in awhile that makes being in space and hanging out with aliens feel totally insane and magical.
The title sequence bummed me out, not because of cutesy mascotty stuff, but because the little bit we saw of the fight in the background was absolutely breathtaking, and they covered it up. I wanted to see that.
Groot was mostly the weakest part of the film, but after the insane response to the tiny groot after the first film, i get why he was there. Basically totally redeemed by the 'go get the fin scene', though. An elaborate setup with a weak punchline is my favorite joke, followed closely by a weak joke that gets run into the ground so hard that it goes basically insane and comes out funny on the other side. They pulled off both simultaneously.
I appreciated that they didnt just keep running with the same bits from the first film. I was braced for 2 hours of 'Drax doesnt get metaphors' jokes, and they went somewhere completely different.
I also appreciated the amount of poop and wiener jokes.
yeah, I've seen people saying he's too dangerous to let live, but not really? Get Peter off of Ego's surface and he no longer has the cosmic juice to do much. He admits he can't send his avatars off the planet for too long and presumably they don't have the ability to reshape reality when they're so far from the 'light'.
There was no real pressing need to write him off.
But then I also dunno if there's any good way to reintroduce him later on. "Oh we gotta go back to Ego's world to get the Soul Gem!"
I feel like his wholw plot to destroy the universe was a mistake anyway and a more personal story would have worked better.
yeah, I've seen people saying he's too dangerous to let live, but not really? Get Peter off of Ego's surface and he no longer has the cosmic juice to do much. He admits he can't send his avatars off the planet for too long and presumably they don't have the ability to reshape reality when they're so far from the 'light'.
There was no real pressing need to write him off.
But then I also dunno if there's any good way to reintroduce him later on. "Oh we gotta go back to Ego's world to get the Soul Gem!"
if they don't deal with the ego problem now it's just going to pop up again later when he finds another kid with the power cosmic
Also his avatar was at least strong enough to blow up a thousand spaceships with little effort
Also he killed Peter's mom and he wants revengeance
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It was earned, for sure, probably my favourite moment of the movie
was after Ego drops the news about his mom, Peter immediately unloading both guns into him. No words from him, just BLAMS until he empties both clips.
is a gud point about being able to destroy all the Sovereign drones, but that also took it out of him, he needed to rest after. Needed to head back to the planet. Away from his lil' sphere of influence, he really didn't seem all that powerful.
maybe I just want more Marvel villains to stick around past their first appearance. It did feel right to end the movie with taking Ego out, it's just frustrating to get so few repeat encounters.
yeah, I've seen people saying he's too dangerous to let live, but not really? Get Peter off of Ego's surface and he no longer has the cosmic juice to do much. He admits he can't send his avatars off the planet for too long and presumably they don't have the ability to reshape reality when they're so far from the 'light'.
There was no real pressing need to write him off.
But then I also dunno if there's any good way to reintroduce him later on. "Oh we gotta go back to Ego's world to get the Soul Gem!"
I feel like his wholw plot to destroy the universe was a mistake anyway and a more personal story would have worked better.
Pretty sure you coulda excised those scenes entirely and preserved the threat as is.
Ego doesn't want Peter to get attached to lower life forms, going away from the planet, aging and dying. So he tries to kill his friends, after revealing he killed Mama Quill for that reason. Boom, done, no need for universe destruction.
The opening credits was so-so. Cute, but it dragged on too long. Mind you I really liked the other applications of Baby Groot later in the movie.
I'll preface this by saying I adore Rocket and he's my favorite from the first movie. I loved seeing him being a badass, but his 'laughing asshole' schtick was just a bit off for me. His laugh needed to be applied more judiciously.
I am very, very glad how much time was devoted to Yondu, Gamora, Nebula, Rocket, and everyone who wasn't Peter. This is something a sequel should do; let the non-protagonists get more screentime and shine.
Dang if I didn't tear up during the funeral. This movie did a great job of making me care a hell of a lot about Yondu. I'm glad they brought back the "prototype fin" too. Embrace the wacky and weird that is the Marvel Cosmic stuff!
Ego was an all right villain, and a great performance put in by Kurt Russell. I thought his giant porcelain displays were creepy from the start, which was surely the intention.
The stuff with the harassment and abuse of Baby Groot was hard to watch. Damn. Glad those assholes got theirs.
So many little funny moments: the final Sovereign pilot getting insulted, the bit stolen from Father Ted, teenager Groot, "do you have any tape"? and of course "I'm Mary Poppins, y'all!"
He put a tumor in Meredith's brain because he liked her too much
Fuck that guy, I want him dead
And personally with Thanos and the Infinity War on the horizon along with the Grandmaster/Hela in Thor 3 I don't think they're gonna be running short on large cosmic threats anytime soon
I'm gonna be honest
I was disappointed that they went with THAT as the thing that makes Peter turn on Ego.
He put a tumor in Meredith's brain because he liked her too much
Fuck that guy, I want him dead
And personally with Thanos and the Infinity War on the horizon along with the Grandmaster/Hela in Thor 3 I don't think they're gonna be running short on large cosmic threats anytime soon
I'm gonna be honest
I was disappointed that they went with THAT as the thing that makes Peter turn on Ego.
He put a tumor in Meredith's brain because he liked her too much
Fuck that guy, I want him dead
And personally with Thanos and the Infinity War on the horizon along with the Grandmaster/Hela in Thor 3 I don't think they're gonna be running short on large cosmic threats anytime soon
I'm gonna be honest
I was disappointed that they went with THAT as the thing that makes Peter turn on Ego.
It's such a strawman villain move.
That's not what strawman is.
It's a cheap shallow irredeemable move that serves zero purpose other than to make the audience and quill turn on him.
The dude is immortal, and instead of just letting her die of old age he puts a tumor in her? GImme a break.
He put a tumor in Meredith's brain because he liked her too much
Fuck that guy, I want him dead
And personally with Thanos and the Infinity War on the horizon along with the Grandmaster/Hela in Thor 3 I don't think they're gonna be running short on large cosmic threats anytime soon
I'm gonna be honest
I was disappointed that they went with THAT as the thing that makes Peter turn on Ego.
It's such a strawman villain move.
I think the move itself is fine. Its a classic "villain thinks he can talk his way out of admitting the bad things he has done" move. To me the reason that scene doesn't work is that Peter is clearly never really taken in by Ego's scheme. He just gets mind controlled and that shakes him out of it. This all comes back to my argument that this shouldn't have been a galaxy saving story. This movie has the distinct feeling of a Star Trek bottle episode between tentpoles and that's what it should have been. By making things so big and Ego so evil Peter could never be pulled into Ego's scheme so he has to mind controlled so what is even the point? Peter learns nothing, grows not at all, and doesn't really make any choices in this film.
I would have kept Ego killing his mom because if he didn't he might not have been strong enough to leave her but made his goal or purpose less obviously evil. Heck make it good! Have him guarding against some unknown terrible fate. He has to spend 99% of his time on himself waiting for a battle that may never come. That's why he's so desperate for a child to share his life with. Then Peter has to choose between keeping the galaxy safe and revenge.
He put a tumor in Meredith's brain because he liked her too much
Fuck that guy, I want him dead
And personally with Thanos and the Infinity War on the horizon along with the Grandmaster/Hela in Thor 3 I don't think they're gonna be running short on large cosmic threats anytime soon
I'm gonna be honest
I was disappointed that they went with THAT as the thing that makes Peter turn on Ego.
It's such a strawman villain move.
I think the move itself is fine. Its a classic "villain thinks he can talk his way out of admitting the bad things he has done" move. To me the reason that scene doesn't work is that Peter is clearly never really taken in by Ego's scheme. He just gets mind controlled and that shakes him out of it. This all comes back to my argument that this shouldn't have been a galaxy saving story. This movie has the distinct feeling of a Star Trek bottle episode between tentpoles and that's what it should have been. By making things so big and Ego so evil Peter could never be pulled into Ego's scheme so he has to mind controlled so what is even the point? Peter learns nothing, grows not at all, and doesn't really make any choices in this film.
I would have kept Ego killing his mom because if he didn't he might not have been strong enough to leave her but made his goal or purpose less obviously evil. Heck make it good! Have him guarding against some unknown terrible fate. He has to spend 99% of his time on himself waiting for a battle that may never come. That's why he's so desperate for a child to share his life with. Then Peter has to choose between keeping the galaxy safe and revenge.
I could buy his reasoning for killing her, if he'd been the one to pick Peter up from Earth. With her there, there's the temptation to stay, etc.
A strawman is an extremely cheap argument or reasoning that the person in question doesn't actually support
What you've described is that you think it's just bad writing
Spoilers for the thing everybody is talking about in spoilers, maybe don't open this if you haven't seen the movie.
I think the term you're looking for is "fridging," not strawman.
Which I actually agree with; there were better ways to turn Peter against Ego than needlessly killing Meredith to show what a bad guy Ego is.
I mean, that came on the heels of the cavern of skulls, brainwashing Peter, and revealing that his relationship with Meredith was contingent upon a lie.
He put a tumor in Meredith's brain because he liked her too much
Fuck that guy, I want him dead
And personally with Thanos and the Infinity War on the horizon along with the Grandmaster/Hela in Thor 3 I don't think they're gonna be running short on large cosmic threats anytime soon
I'm gonna be honest
I was disappointed that they went with THAT as the thing that makes Peter turn on Ego.
It's such a strawman villain move.
I think the move itself is fine. Its a classic "villain thinks he can talk his way out of admitting the bad things he has done" move. To me the reason that scene doesn't work is that Peter is clearly never really taken in by Ego's scheme. He just gets mind controlled and that shakes him out of it. This all comes back to my argument that this shouldn't have been a galaxy saving story. This movie has the distinct feeling of a Star Trek bottle episode between tentpoles and that's what it should have been. By making things so big and Ego so evil Peter could never be pulled into Ego's scheme so he has to mind controlled so what is even the point? Peter learns nothing, grows not at all, and doesn't really make any choices in this film.
I would have kept Ego killing his mom because if he didn't he might not have been strong enough to leave her but made his goal or purpose less obviously evil. Heck make it good! Have him guarding against some unknown terrible fate. He has to spend 99% of his time on himself waiting for a battle that may never come. That's why he's so desperate for a child to share his life with. Then Peter has to choose between keeping the galaxy safe and revenge.
I could buy his reasoning for killing her, if he'd been the one to pick Peter up from Earth. With her there, there's the temptation to stay, etc.
But he ended up hiring Yondu to do it for him, so
pretty sure he put the tumor in her after she got pregnant so that he wouldn't be tempted to return
then he couldn't go back for peter because he couldn't stand being on a planet where his love died
A strawman is an extremely cheap argument or reasoning that the person in question doesn't actually support
What you've described is that you think it's just bad writing
I do think it's bad writing. But, personally, I don't use strawman character interchangeably with strawman argument. They're two distinctive things, far as I'm concerned.
Someone, fictional or not, poorly representing an argument in a way that makes no sense would be guilty of a strawman fallacy. This is what you're referring to.
If a character sincerely believes in a cheap strawman style reasoning for the sole purpose of making them the villain, then that character is a strawman. They've been reduced to a cheap caricature that is easily in the wrong for extremely obvious reasons, and now the hero can defeat them with minimal moral qualms.
It's an easy out, and it bugs the shit out of me that they went with that for Ego.
It seemed to me like Peter was starting to come out of it before that happened, which is why he was asking about it in the first place; finding out Ego killed her was just the spark that jumped him straight to "shoot in the face repeatedly"
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A strawman is an extremely cheap argument or reasoning that the person in question doesn't actually support
What you've described is that you think it's just bad writing
I do think it's bad writing. But, personally, I don't use strawman character interchangeably with strawman argument. They're two distinctive things, far as I'm concerned.
Someone, fictional or not, poorly representing an argument in a way that makes no sense would be guilty of a strawman fallacy. This is what you're referring to.
If a character sincerely believes in a cheap strawman style reasoning for the sole purpose of making them the villain, then that character is a strawman. They've been reduced to a cheap caricature that is easily in the wrong for extremely obvious reasons, and now the hero can defeat them with minimal moral qualms.
It's an easy out, and it bugs the shit out of me that they went with that for Ego.
well, I'd prepare for people focusing in on this use of "strawman" at the expense of any point you make alongside it for a while, I suppose
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Saw guardians of the galaxy two on sunday
it was not as good as the first one
i think it relied too much on jokes from the first film and also baby groot and then the rapid fire sad moments to cover up for not very great writing that was so focused on "but family" that it felt like it was stealing cut lines from a fast and furious movie
Overall I liked it? It had a lot of good and even very good moments but I have a lot a lot of little complaints that stack up against it
Gonna see it again tonight so we'll see how I feel after a second viewing
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I think there are many valid opinions,
But "it relied too much on jokes from the first one" is one I just do not understand.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
I finally saw this last night. I liked it better than the first one, but that's largely because I felt like this one treated Gamora better. I'm also a sucker for stories about family.
The teenage Groot stinger was great, because that is basically exactly what raising my older stepdaughter is like.
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I was at Disney for my Birthday last week...they have Star Lord and Animatronic Baby Groot hidden away in the Walt Disney museum at Hollywood Studios. It was really fun getting pictures, my wife bought this cute little Groot in a cup refillable mug thing and Star Lord showed to lil Groot. It is funny sometimes meeting the characters is more fun to me than meeting the actor ever would be. Same with getting a photo with Chewie and the Jawas....big dumb grin on my face but meeting actors at comic cons and such never really phases me.
I don't know about you people (yes, you people) but I loved the opening credits.
While I do enjoy some baby Groot still, the whole scene was so much funnier for me because you couldn't see the action going on in the background. You're just living in Groot's little world for a minute while the team is getting wrecked by an interdimensional beast.
I don't know about you people (yes, you people) but I loved the opening credits.
While I do enjoy some baby Groot still, the whole scene was so much funnier for me because you couldn't see the action going on in the background. You're just living in Groot's little world for a minute while the team is getting wrecked by an interdimensional beast.
Also I love Mr. Blue Sky.
I found it hilarious
that this giant, "epic", high-budget super-hero fight that you usually see at the end of most super-hero action films was created to be the title sequence background while the camera focuses on a little dancing mascot for the entirety of the song.
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There was no real pressing need to write him off.
But then I also dunno if there's any good way to reintroduce him later on. "Oh we gotta go back to Ego's world to get the Soul Gem!"
He put a tumor in Meredith's brain because he liked her too much
Fuck that guy, I want him dead
And personally with Thanos and the Infinity War on the horizon along with the Grandmaster/Hela in Thor 3 I don't think they're gonna be running short on large cosmic threats anytime soon
Your post has one too many agrees.
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The jokes were very good, the actions were very engaging, every character had interesting time spent on their relationship with other characters, the parts with feelings had lots of feelings.
I was especially taken with the visuals. Minor things like starlords gunshots were jawdroppingly unique, there was this neon 80s pink and green element to energy and fire and stuff that felt really...I dunno, cosmic. We've consumed a lot of scifi, and future spaceship laserbeam stuff draws from a lot of the same molds anymore. This is the first scifi film I've seen in awhile that makes being in space and hanging out with aliens feel totally insane and magical.
Groot was mostly the weakest part of the film, but after the insane response to the tiny groot after the first film, i get why he was there. Basically totally redeemed by the 'go get the fin scene', though. An elaborate setup with a weak punchline is my favorite joke, followed closely by a weak joke that gets run into the ground so hard that it goes basically insane and comes out funny on the other side. They pulled off both simultaneously.
I appreciated that they didnt just keep running with the same bits from the first film. I was braced for 2 hours of 'Drax doesnt get metaphors' jokes, and they went somewhere completely different.
I also appreciated the amount of poop and wiener jokes.
Three thumbs up
They have an out for that
It just occurred to me how many of my favorite MCU villains are just the frank grimes to The hero's Homer Simpson
Iron man and Obediah/Killian
Thor and Loki
Strange and
Why did you become a villian? "I just got sick of that guy's bullshit."
they could bring him back if they really really really wanted to
Also his avatar was at least strong enough to blow up a thousand spaceships with little effort
Also he killed Peter's mom and he wants revengeance
is a gud point about being able to destroy all the Sovereign drones, but that also took it out of him, he needed to rest after. Needed to head back to the planet. Away from his lil' sphere of influence, he really didn't seem all that powerful.
maybe I just want more Marvel villains to stick around past their first appearance. It did feel right to end the movie with taking Ego out, it's just frustrating to get so few repeat encounters.
Pretty sure you coulda excised those scenes entirely and preserved the threat as is.
I'll preface this by saying I adore Rocket and he's my favorite from the first movie. I loved seeing him being a badass, but his 'laughing asshole' schtick was just a bit off for me. His laugh needed to be applied more judiciously.
I am very, very glad how much time was devoted to Yondu, Gamora, Nebula, Rocket, and everyone who wasn't Peter. This is something a sequel should do; let the non-protagonists get more screentime and shine.
Dang if I didn't tear up during the funeral. This movie did a great job of making me care a hell of a lot about Yondu. I'm glad they brought back the "prototype fin" too. Embrace the wacky and weird that is the Marvel Cosmic stuff!
Ego was an all right villain, and a great performance put in by Kurt Russell. I thought his giant porcelain displays were creepy from the start, which was surely the intention.
The stuff with the harassment and abuse of Baby Groot was hard to watch. Damn. Glad those assholes got theirs.
So many little funny moments: the final Sovereign pilot getting insulted, the bit stolen from Father Ted, teenager Groot, "do you have any tape"? and of course "I'm Mary Poppins, y'all!"
Edit: Forgot he changed his name. Edited accordingly.
I think he still uses the stage name to sell his music.
With music, I thought it was the done thing to use whatever name the song was produced under originally.
I'm gonna be honest
It's such a strawman villain move.
That's not what strawman is.
The dude is immortal, and instead of just letting her die of old age he puts a tumor in her? GImme a break.
I stand by what I said.
I would have kept Ego killing his mom because if he didn't he might not have been strong enough to leave her but made his goal or purpose less obviously evil. Heck make it good! Have him guarding against some unknown terrible fate. He has to spend 99% of his time on himself waiting for a battle that may never come. That's why he's so desperate for a child to share his life with. Then Peter has to choose between keeping the galaxy safe and revenge.
But he ended up hiring Yondu to do it for him, so
What you've described is that you think it's just bad writing
Which I actually agree with; there were better ways to turn Peter against Ego than needlessly killing Meredith to show what a bad guy Ego is.
I mean, that came on the heels of the cavern of skulls, brainwashing Peter, and revealing that his relationship with Meredith was contingent upon a lie.
then he couldn't go back for peter because he couldn't stand being on a planet where his love died
so he let her raise peter until she died
Someone, fictional or not, poorly representing an argument in a way that makes no sense would be guilty of a strawman fallacy. This is what you're referring to.
If a character sincerely believes in a cheap strawman style reasoning for the sole purpose of making them the villain, then that character is a strawman. They've been reduced to a cheap caricature that is easily in the wrong for extremely obvious reasons, and now the hero can defeat them with minimal moral qualms.
It's an easy out, and it bugs the shit out of me that they went with that for Ego.
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well, I'd prepare for people focusing in on this use of "strawman" at the expense of any point you make alongside it for a while, I suppose
Saw guardians of the galaxy two on sunday
i think it relied too much on jokes from the first film and also baby groot and then the rapid fire sad moments to cover up for not very great writing that was so focused on "but family" that it felt like it was stealing cut lines from a fast and furious movie
Overall I liked it? It had a lot of good and even very good moments but I have a lot a lot of little complaints that stack up against it
Gonna see it again tonight so we'll see how I feel after a second viewing
But "it relied too much on jokes from the first one" is one I just do not understand.
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When Disney buys universal I deffo need Nick fury to show up in the credits of ff12
I think it is good but not amazing and not as good as the first one
Also I love Mr. Blue Sky.
I found it hilarious