Huh. I figured if we got another Skink, it would be Oxyotl as a stealth ambusher. Does feel strange to have a master of the skies for an army without a remarkable air presence.
Huh. I figured if we got another Skink, it would be Oxyotl as a stealth ambusher. Does feel strange to have a master of the skies for an army without a remarkable air presence.
The DLC adds Ripperdactyls, so they've got a few options now
Edit - that does mean the FLC isn't so hot without the DLC.
Oh yeah, sorry, I should have added with base game units. They're also lacking a big flying center piece unit. It's not unworkable, just feels particularly strange.
So for the moment I will assume it was so we could assemble all the dinobots (okay, the most popular three).
Also no. The only big dinosaurs they are missing are Troglodons (kind of like venomous spinosaurs) and the Dread Saurian (a huge forge world model) if I'm not mistaken.
In the 7th ed Lizardmen book (pg.16) there was a little side-blurb about Coatl, but there's never been a model or rules:
COATL - GUARDIANS OF SACRED PLACES
One of the rarest creatures to be found in Lustria is the
Coatl. Sporting a long, sinuous, snake-like body, a dragon's
head and massive feathered wings, the Coatl is more than
an unlikely accident of evolution. The Coatl are highly
intelligent, and are powerful mages. They are said to have
the power to alter the jungle around them to draw invaders
away from the places in which they dwell, and into the
leech-infested swamps surrounding them.
The Coatl are said to be a manifestation of the Old One
Tepok, and are venerated by the Skink Priests as sacred
creatures of the air, magic and of places of power. The
Coatl are sometimes seen as messengers of the gods,
beseeched when a sacred site is under threat that the power
of the Old Ones will be granted to the Lizardmen.
When the Coatl attack, they rarely leave any witnesses.
Those few who have lived to tell the tale speak of a terrible
force of nature that is able to call upon the ancient
mystical power that permeates the jungle. The Coatl
appears from the skies upon a thunderous wind, churning
the jungle canopy and stirring the undergrowth to a frenzy.
The skies darken and the jungle shifts, and the invaders are
soon hopelessly disoriented, lost within a swirling
maelstrom of magical aspect.
In the 7th ed Lizardmen book (pg.16) there was a little side-blurb about Coatl, but there's never been a model or rules:
COATL - GUARDIANS OF SACRED PLACES
One of the rarest creatures to be found in Lustria is the
Coatl. Sporting a long, sinuous, snake-like body, a dragon's
head and massive feathered wings, the Coatl is more than
an unlikely accident of evolution. The Coatl are highly
intelligent, and are powerful mages. They are said to have
the power to alter the jungle around them to draw invaders
away from the places in which they dwell, and into the
leech-infested swamps surrounding them.
The Coatl are said to be a manifestation of the Old One
Tepok, and are venerated by the Skink Priests as sacred
creatures of the air, magic and of places of power. The
Coatl are sometimes seen as messengers of the gods,
beseeched when a sacred site is under threat that the power
of the Old Ones will be granted to the Lizardmen.
When the Coatl attack, they rarely leave any witnesses.
Those few who have lived to tell the tale speak of a terrible
force of nature that is able to call upon the ancient
mystical power that permeates the jungle. The Coatl
appears from the skies upon a thunderous wind, churning
the jungle canopy and stirring the undergrowth to a frenzy.
The skies darken and the jungle shifts, and the invaders are
soon hopelessly disoriented, lost within a swirling
maelstrom of magical aspect.
Funny enough, they actually did publish rules for the Coatl in an old White Dwarf, along with a dinosaur only army list. I can't find a pdf of it online and I'd have to go search for my physical copy, but here's a pretty good write up of what it could do.
So apparently in ME tiqtaqto starts down below araby near sudenburg and the dorfs there. Which seems weird.
Lustria seems odd in that everyone is still scrunched up on the east side, which makes me wonder if some faction is planned there in the west. Amazons would be the only thing that makes sense though.
they should add the bottom bend around lustria while they are at it. I'm not sure if the spine of sotek dwarfs are there but if not they should be put back in.
Yeah, I have thought they should do that for a while. It would add a lot to diversity in the area, though that is not the problem it used to be when it was just skrolk and teclis.
Watched the Twitch stream with Tiktaq'to earlier. An interesting detail they mentioned is that Red-Crested Skink Chiefs he recruits will start with Ripperdactyls (though it wasn't present in the current build). Which is a nice touch to encourage a heavier emphasis on Skinks without giving him a penalty like Tehenhaiun.
They also showed off Lord Kroak's skill tree. A lot of stuff you would expect (defense buffs, upgrades to Deliverance of Itza, etc) but it did reveal that his city interaction is to destroy walls, and if you upgrade it he also damage buildings and starts to kick it back levels. So that's gonna be interesting, if a bit crazy.
The Massif Orcal is now its own Province in Bretonnia. Probably one Orc settlement, giving Brets a new option for their opening Orc dilemma.
In the Empire, Talabecland and Ostermark each have a new settlement. I'm not sure what city Talabecland could be adding, but anything to break up that empty bit of map is welcome. Ostermark, excitingly, is getting one in the area that includes Mordheim. So maybe a Skaven settlement in the Old World?
The Jungles of Green Mists has had it's third settlement from the vortex added (Pillars of the Unseen Constellation?). Not sure why - western Lustria remains empty of LLs.
The Massif Orcal is now its own Province in Bretonnia. Probably one Orc settlement, giving Brets a new option for their opening Orc dilemma.
In the Empire, Talabecland and Ostermark each have a new settlement. I'm not sure what city Talabecland could be adding, but anything to break up that empty bit of map is welcome. Ostermark, excitingly, is getting one in the area that includes Mordheim. So maybe a Skaven settlement in the Old World?
The Jungles of Green Mists has had it's third settlement from the vortex added (Pillars of the Unseen Constellation?). Not sure why - western Lustria remains empty of LLs.
I feel like they are definitely planning something for west lustria. I don’t really know what exactly, but that whole area is suspiciously empty, and now they are tinkering with the settlements there...
Its on the wrong side of the continent for a big southern realms colonial settlement. Amazons maybe? I would rather have araby, but if we got araby and zons and tilea got pushed back to game three that would be fine with me.
I am guessing the empire changes are for the upcoming rework that was teased ages ago.
Also a new skaven settlement in the empire, even just an npc one, would be very welcome.
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also, if anyone else out there is playing with mods, i highly recommend the Total War Mod Manager, known as Kaedrin's Mod Manager on the steam workshop. essentially, it works like any other mod manager, and if you're like me and basically ruin the game with mods, it's a very helpful tool.
.....isn't the western jungle on the south side of the body of water & land of dervishes? seems like they screwed up what the geography there is supposed to look like in comparison to the vortex map
.....isn't the western jungle on the south side of the body of water & land of dervishes? seems like they screwed up what the geography there is supposed to look like in comparison to the vortex map
Yes, they definitely transposed the jungle across the gulf, probably because they didn’t want to add too much to the map.
Interview about the design and animation of Ikit Claw. Also shows off a good look at the Warlock Master, who look pretty cool. Definitely a more unique design than what I expected.
I tried to play this again. Tomb Kings as the Main Lord (Settra the Imparisable) and got stomped. The Savage orks had a big old Fat Stack. In these games I feel like I should always be on the offensive somewhere (it is total war after all), but maybe I should of built up more? Idk, going to try again soon.
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Settra is tough! I always had trouble with his early game. You should probably be on the offensive pretty hard for at least the first few turns, until you have your first province. Careful tactics and positioning, especially against foes like Orks with low leadership, can overcome pretty significant number deficiencies.
Tomb Kings seem to be a tough row to hoe, though, y'know bro?
Sorry I don't know why I did that. I've gotten routinely dunked on playing as the TK, I dunno! Maybe my playstyle doesn't suit them well.
TK early game is VERY hard. You can field alot of skellies onto the field at that stage, but one 20 stack vs another 20 stack early game is you getting wrecked. you need to bring a second stack in for most engagements.
Open field use of chariots is a MUST; get used to using them because they are the best unit you have early game.
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And the way TK is structured it might be a while before you can even recruit that second stack! So you gotta get that early foothold and some key alliances with nearby dead people undead powers.
Until you get a lot of constructs attrition plays a big role for tomb kings. Remember your main troops are basically free, don’t be afraid to soften the enemy up with a stack of trash before you fight them with your main army.
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Settra early game: push hard on the Orcs ASAP to secure your first province, and lean hard on your sphinx for killing power. Skeleton Archers are surprisingly good, especially early game, so try to have 4 in your early stacks.
You should get the opportunity to get a free Hero unit of your choice in the first few turns. Always pick Necrotect. You can use him to heal up your sphinx, plus that gives you access to the Incantation of Ptra for a bonus Necrotect to instantly convert a ruin into a level 3 city. That is a huge cost savings, and money is your biggest problem until lategame.
Never try to compete 1-1 with your enemies. Your doomstack is unlikely to survive an enemy doomstack. Your armies are free. Attack that doomstack with 3 stacks of your own!
Ambushing is your friend. It will be nearly impossible to conquer a walled settlement with a full stack in it, unless it's another TK faction. Ambush stance to trick the enemy into sending out their army against you, then kill it and siege the town the next turn.
Once you get rid of the early Orcs, focus on fighting other TK factions for a while. You'll be on even footing army-quality-wise. Ushabti and Tomb Scorpions are your midgame goals, so you want +Growth buildings everywhere. Your standard non-capital city should be City Center, Growth Building, Money Building, Barracks. Barracks is important because Tomb Guard are likely to be your army bottleneck late game, and every barracks gets you 2 regular and 1 halberd. A 4-settlement province, properly built, can provide enough unit slots for an entire TK doomstack.
After you've got a few Ushabti, put them behind your skelly line and have them charge in after the skellies engage. This will help keep them alive and dealing damage longer. Bow Ushabti should focus large and armored targets, and Scorps will dumpster infantry. I don't personally use Carrion much, but they can be good against certain factions.
EDIT: Casket of Souls is very useful if for no other reason than that it will almost always force the enemy to come to you. Catapults are trash.
Since I obtained Warham 1 and 2 fairly close to each other, I've been splitting my time between the two. Just about ready to wrap up my first (successful) Dawi campaign. Ended up engaging one of the lesser Chaos armies, and whatshisface the "Everchosen" reinforced that army, but he was turbo not prepared to have four units of Thunderers focus him as he charged. Back to your wastelands, slave of Chaos. Khazukan kazakit-ha!
Settra early game: push hard on the Orcs ASAP to secure your first province, and lean hard on your sphinx for killing power. Skeleton Archers are surprisingly good, especially early game, so try to have 4 in your early stacks.
You should get the opportunity to get a free Hero unit of your choice in the first few turns. Always pick Necrotect. You can use him to heal up your sphinx, plus that gives you access to the Incantation of Ptra for a bonus Necrotect to instantly convert a ruin into a level 3 city. That is a huge cost savings, and money is your biggest problem until lategame.
Never try to compete 1-1 with your enemies. Your doomstack is unlikely to survive an enemy doomstack. Your armies are free. Attack that doomstack with 3 stacks of your own!
Ambushing is your friend. It will be nearly impossible to conquer a walled settlement with a full stack in it, unless it's another TK faction. Ambush stance to trick the enemy into sending out their army against you, then kill it and siege the town the next turn.
Once you get rid of the early Orcs, focus on fighting other TK factions for a while. You'll be on even footing army-quality-wise. Ushabti and Tomb Scorpions are your midgame goals, so you want +Growth buildings everywhere. Your standard non-capital city should be City Center, Growth Building, Money Building, Barracks. Barracks is important because Tomb Guard are likely to be your army bottleneck late game, and every barracks gets you 2 regular and 1 halberd. A 4-settlement province, properly built, can provide enough unit slots for an entire TK doomstack.
After you've got a few Ushabti, put them behind your skelly line and have them charge in after the skellies engage. This will help keep them alive and dealing damage longer. Bow Ushabti should focus large and armored targets, and Scorps will dumpster infantry. I don't personally use Carrion much, but they can be good against certain factions.
EDIT: Casket of Souls is very useful if for no other reason than that it will almost always force the enemy to come to you. Catapults are trash.
Tomb King Catapults are on my short list of most useless units in the game. Every other unit in the TK arsenal is more useful than this thing, even a trash skeleton unit.
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Settra early game: push hard on the Orcs ASAP to secure your first province, and lean hard on your sphinx for killing power. Skeleton Archers are surprisingly good, especially early game, so try to have 4 in your early stacks.
You should get the opportunity to get a free Hero unit of your choice in the first few turns. Always pick Necrotect. You can use him to heal up your sphinx, plus that gives you access to the Incantation of Ptra for a bonus Necrotect to instantly convert a ruin into a level 3 city. That is a huge cost savings, and money is your biggest problem until lategame.
Never try to compete 1-1 with your enemies. Your doomstack is unlikely to survive an enemy doomstack. Your armies are free. Attack that doomstack with 3 stacks of your own!
Ambushing is your friend. It will be nearly impossible to conquer a walled settlement with a full stack in it, unless it's another TK faction. Ambush stance to trick the enemy into sending out their army against you, then kill it and siege the town the next turn.
Once you get rid of the early Orcs, focus on fighting other TK factions for a while. You'll be on even footing army-quality-wise. Ushabti and Tomb Scorpions are your midgame goals, so you want +Growth buildings everywhere. Your standard non-capital city should be City Center, Growth Building, Money Building, Barracks. Barracks is important because Tomb Guard are likely to be your army bottleneck late game, and every barracks gets you 2 regular and 1 halberd. A 4-settlement province, properly built, can provide enough unit slots for an entire TK doomstack.
After you've got a few Ushabti, put them behind your skelly line and have them charge in after the skellies engage. This will help keep them alive and dealing damage longer. Bow Ushabti should focus large and armored targets, and Scorps will dumpster infantry. I don't personally use Carrion much, but they can be good against certain factions.
EDIT: Casket of Souls is very useful if for no other reason than that it will almost always force the enemy to come to you. Catapults are trash.
this is suuuper helpful, i think i'm gonna try tk again today. maybe settra won't perish this time.
In my Settra campaign I beat and wounded Arkhan in a mirror match early on, but lost the fancy starting unit in the battle and it really set me back
Yep, this for sure. Your construct will kick the shit out of pretty much anything early game, but it's not indestructible.
As a side note this is great advice for norsca too. You will notice that in addition to your starting units lots of the lords you confederate with will have a mammoth or dragon. Don’t kill them when you fight, and after that keep them alive at all costs.
The biggest thing working against Settra is that those are Savage Orcs. They have physical resist which makes it rough as you don't have any good magic damage early outside of a casket of souls.
The biggest thing working against Settra is that those are Savage Orcs. They have physical resist which makes it rough as you don't have any good magic damage early outside of a casket of souls.
But they're orcs and your entire army causes fear?
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Huh. I figured if we got another Skink, it would be Oxyotl as a stealth ambusher. Does feel strange to have a master of the skies for an army without a remarkable air presence.
The DLC adds Ripperdactyls, so they've got a few options now
Edit - that does mean the FLC isn't so hot without the DLC.
So for the moment I will assume it was so we could assemble all the dinobots (okay, the most popular three).
I am also super happy for the Dinobots trio to be complete!
No. They have Carnosaurs, Stegadons, Bastilodons, and with the DLC Ancient Salamanders as larger single entity dinosaurs.
Not as far as I remember.
From reddit:
Grace_CA: This won't be the final DLC for WH2
In response to someone asking about so far unused lords from tabletop.
In the 7th ed Lizardmen book (pg.16) there was a little side-blurb about Coatl, but there's never been a model or rules:
COATL - GUARDIANS OF SACRED PLACES
One of the rarest creatures to be found in Lustria is the
Coatl. Sporting a long, sinuous, snake-like body, a dragon's
head and massive feathered wings, the Coatl is more than
an unlikely accident of evolution. The Coatl are highly
intelligent, and are powerful mages. They are said to have
the power to alter the jungle around them to draw invaders
away from the places in which they dwell, and into the
leech-infested swamps surrounding them.
The Coatl are said to be a manifestation of the Old One
Tepok, and are venerated by the Skink Priests as sacred
creatures of the air, magic and of places of power. The
Coatl are sometimes seen as messengers of the gods,
beseeched when a sacred site is under threat that the power
of the Old Ones will be granted to the Lizardmen.
When the Coatl attack, they rarely leave any witnesses.
Those few who have lived to tell the tale speak of a terrible
force of nature that is able to call upon the ancient
mystical power that permeates the jungle. The Coatl
appears from the skies upon a thunderous wind, churning
the jungle canopy and stirring the undergrowth to a frenzy.
The skies darken and the jungle shifts, and the invaders are
soon hopelessly disoriented, lost within a swirling
maelstrom of magical aspect.
Funny enough, they actually did publish rules for the Coatl in an old White Dwarf, along with a dinosaur only army list. I can't find a pdf of it online and I'd have to go search for my physical copy, but here's a pretty good write up of what it could do.
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Coatl_(Warhammer_Fantasy)
It was pretty much a flying monster with crappy stats that was a lord level magic user with some fantastic defensive rules tossed on top.
Lustria seems odd in that everyone is still scrunched up on the east side, which makes me wonder if some faction is planned there in the west. Amazons would be the only thing that makes sense though.
They also showed off Lord Kroak's skill tree. A lot of stuff you would expect (defense buffs, upgrades to Deliverance of Itza, etc) but it did reveal that his city interaction is to destroy walls, and if you upgrade it he also damage buildings and starts to kick it back levels. So that's gonna be interesting, if a bit crazy.
Other changes to the ME map of note:
I feel like they are definitely planning something for west lustria. I don’t really know what exactly, but that whole area is suspiciously empty, and now they are tinkering with the settlements there...
Its on the wrong side of the continent for a big southern realms colonial settlement. Amazons maybe? I would rather have araby, but if we got araby and zons and tilea got pushed back to game three that would be fine with me.
I am guessing the empire changes are for the upcoming rework that was teased ages ago.
Also a new skaven settlement in the empire, even just an npc one, would be very welcome.
Yes, they definitely transposed the jungle across the gulf, probably because they didn’t want to add too much to the map.
Interview about the design and animation of Ikit Claw. Also shows off a good look at the Warlock Master, who look pretty cool. Definitely a more unique design than what I expected.
Tomb Kings seem to be a tough row to hoe, though, y'know bro?
Sorry I don't know why I did that. I've gotten routinely dunked on playing as the TK, I dunno! Maybe my playstyle doesn't suit them well.
Open field use of chariots is a MUST; get used to using them because they are the best unit you have early game.
Also chariots are your friend.
Edit: Heroes are your friend too.
-Antje Jackelén, Archbishop of the Church of Sweden
In my Settra campaign I beat and wounded Arkhan in a mirror match early on, but lost the fancy starting unit in the battle and it really set me back
You should get the opportunity to get a free Hero unit of your choice in the first few turns. Always pick Necrotect. You can use him to heal up your sphinx, plus that gives you access to the Incantation of Ptra for a bonus Necrotect to instantly convert a ruin into a level 3 city. That is a huge cost savings, and money is your biggest problem until lategame.
Never try to compete 1-1 with your enemies. Your doomstack is unlikely to survive an enemy doomstack. Your armies are free. Attack that doomstack with 3 stacks of your own!
Ambushing is your friend. It will be nearly impossible to conquer a walled settlement with a full stack in it, unless it's another TK faction. Ambush stance to trick the enemy into sending out their army against you, then kill it and siege the town the next turn.
Once you get rid of the early Orcs, focus on fighting other TK factions for a while. You'll be on even footing army-quality-wise. Ushabti and Tomb Scorpions are your midgame goals, so you want +Growth buildings everywhere. Your standard non-capital city should be City Center, Growth Building, Money Building, Barracks. Barracks is important because Tomb Guard are likely to be your army bottleneck late game, and every barracks gets you 2 regular and 1 halberd. A 4-settlement province, properly built, can provide enough unit slots for an entire TK doomstack.
After you've got a few Ushabti, put them behind your skelly line and have them charge in after the skellies engage. This will help keep them alive and dealing damage longer. Bow Ushabti should focus large and armored targets, and Scorps will dumpster infantry. I don't personally use Carrion much, but they can be good against certain factions.
EDIT: Casket of Souls is very useful if for no other reason than that it will almost always force the enemy to come to you. Catapults are trash.
Yep, this for sure. Your construct will kick the shit out of pretty much anything early game, but it's not indestructible.
Tomb King Catapults are on my short list of most useless units in the game. Every other unit in the TK arsenal is more useful than this thing, even a trash skeleton unit.
this is suuuper helpful, i think i'm gonna try tk again today. maybe settra won't perish this time.
As a side note this is great advice for norsca too. You will notice that in addition to your starting units lots of the lords you confederate with will have a mammoth or dragon. Don’t kill them when you fight, and after that keep them alive at all costs.
But they're orcs and your entire army causes fear?
-Antje Jackelén, Archbishop of the Church of Sweden