Those are three books! Omnibus editions don't count!
Also, as someone who owns both, the (first/original) Han Solo Trilogy was better.
It was less imaginative scifi and more straight space western which made it a tighter series but I felt really didn't add anything to Han. He's just Han Solo running up against evil mentor more deadly Han Solo and there's not much new there. Whereas Lando's series really makes him sing as a growing character, even if his Improbable Luck++ Trait lets the writer just go off the deep end in the plot department.
Though I will say Solo's final gunfight is still seared in my mind and a good payoff
Those are three books! Omnibus editions don't count!
Also, as someone who owns both, the (first/original) Han Solo Trilogy was better.
It was less imaginative scifi and more straight space western which made it a tighter series but I felt really didn't add anything to Han. He's just Han Solo running up against evil mentor more deadly Han Solo and there's not much new there. Whereas Lando's series really makes him sing as a growing character, even if his Improbable Luck++ Trait lets the writer just go off the deep end in the plot department.
Though I will say Solo's final gunfight is still seared in my mind and a good payoff
I liked the concept of the Authority from the Solo books. It was a corporate entity that the Empire had basically leased a section of the galaxy to, and as long as they kept things under control they were free to exploit it as they wished. It setup a nice little sandbox for Han and Chewie to have their adventures in without having them run into the Empire or the Rebellion or any of that. It also made the Galactic Empire a bit more interesting since having a public-private partnership to exploit and oppress the locals is a bit more relevant to our times than a generic evil empire doing the same.
The Solo movie really should have skipped the origin story and just optioned the book trilogy.
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I just want a bunch of fighter pilots running missions of the week with occasional overarching multi episode things.
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Since ABC runs the show, and is part of the Disney family, I wonder if giving KMT some more face time was their way of saying sorry.
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Every time people lament the loss of the EU I am reminded of this picture
The vast majority of the EU was bad, had virtually no coordination, and wasn't any more "canon" than it is now under the Legends label. What's more, Disney selectively bringing back only the better aspects is leagues more than Lucas ever did with it.
That's throwing under the bus a huge number of stories that were damn good and beloved. Please don't generalize most of the old EU as bad. To a lot of us, it wasn't. That's a completely subjective view.
The vast, vast majority were bad. That's okay.
And again, this was a response to someone saying they were upset at the "loss" of it. It's all still there. It's all every bit as canon as it was before.
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I think we can all agree that the story in need of telling is the Glove of Darth Vader.
It was that somehow, from within the derelict-horror, they had learned a way to see inside an ugly, broken thing... And take away its pain.
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Every time people lament the loss of the EU I am reminded of this picture
The vast majority of the EU was bad, had virtually no coordination, and wasn't any more "canon" than it is now under the Legends label. What's more, Disney selectively bringing back only the better aspects is leagues more than Lucas ever did with it.
That's throwing under the bus a huge number of stories that were damn good and beloved. Please don't generalize most of the old EU as bad. To a lot of us, it wasn't. That's a completely subjective view.
The vast, vast majority were bad. That's okay.
And again, this was a response to someone saying they were upset at the "loss" of it. It's all still there. It's all every bit as canon as it was before.
Eh, technically, pre-Disney you could assume an EU story happened unless it was contradicted. Now it’s kind of the opposite: none of it happened unless they say it did.
Every time people lament the loss of the EU I am reminded of this picture
The vast majority of the EU was bad, had virtually no coordination, and wasn't any more "canon" than it is now under the Legends label. What's more, Disney selectively bringing back only the better aspects is leagues more than Lucas ever did with it.
That's throwing under the bus a huge number of stories that were damn good and beloved. Please don't generalize most of the old EU as bad. To a lot of us, it wasn't. That's a completely subjective view.
The vast, vast majority were bad. That's okay.
And again, this was a response to someone saying they were upset at the "loss" of it. It's all still there. It's all every bit as canon as it was before.
Eh, technically, pre-Disney you could assume an EU story happened unless it was contradicted. Now it’s kind of the opposite: none of it happened unless they say it did.
Except for the ton of ones written before they explained what the clone wars were, and anything about characters pasts before ANH.
Every time people lament the loss of the EU I am reminded of this picture
The vast majority of the EU was bad, had virtually no coordination, and wasn't any more "canon" than it is now under the Legends label. What's more, Disney selectively bringing back only the better aspects is leagues more than Lucas ever did with it.
That's throwing under the bus a huge number of stories that were damn good and beloved. Please don't generalize most of the old EU as bad. To a lot of us, it wasn't. That's a completely subjective view.
The vast, vast majority were bad. That's okay.
And again, this was a response to someone saying they were upset at the "loss" of it. It's all still there. It's all every bit as canon as it was before.
Eh, technically, pre-Disney you could assume an EU story happened unless it was contradicted. Now it’s kind of the opposite: none of it happened unless they say it did.
This has never been my experience, the EU has always been alternative stories or fanfic.
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I want the next movie to focus on Rose being a fucking balls to the wall Jedi who single handedly saves the galaxy just to troll.
When it comes to absolute canon, the real story of Star Wars, you must turn to the films themselves—and only the films.
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The analogy is that every piece of published Star Wars fiction is a window into the 'real' Star Wars universe. Some windows are a bit foggier than others. Some are decidedly abstract. But each contains a nugget of truth to them. Like the great Jedi Master Obi-Wan Kenobi said, 'many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our point of view.'
Yeah, not canon. Nothing was thrown away. It's all still right there and means just as much as it did before Disney purchased the IP.
If I recall correctly, what's Legends now used to have levels that determined how canon it was/how likely it was that it would be completely retconed by something in the future, with the movies at the top, then Lucas-involved stuff, then other mainline EU stuff below that, and so on.
Anything post-Disney, by contrast, is considered (at least thus far) as equally canon to the films and The Clone Wars with no retcons necessary, by making everything go through the Lucasfilm Story Group to ensure it's not a problem/not going to be a problem.
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We’ve had the “Legends” moniker for shit since the prequel trilogy came out.
It’s just they expanded it to more stuff post merger.
Like, none of Dark Empire or Thrawn Trilogy makes any sense in context of the prequels.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
I get it from a branding point of view, but I was a little surprised they just shut down the Legends continuity entirely. A fair number of people liked and had worked extensively in that sandbox, and I always thought that keeping it around in a “what-if” sense seemed feasible. But from a profit perspective, catering to a likely shrinking portion of your audience and potentially confusing your overall brand probably seems like a real waste.
I had long since fallen off by the time the old EU went away, but skimming the plot lines that were kicking around then, it does seem like it all got chopped fairly abruptly.
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I think it's pretty clear Star Wars fans just want what Marvel fans have in the MCU. My friends who are into comic books tell me about all kinds of crazy bullshit stories, like "Captain America gets hooked on meth". Marvel decided not to put that into a movie and no one complained!
Nevermind the plots, the Star Wars movies even missed opportunities to do winks and nods. Is it really too hard to call a character Jan Ors instead of Jyn Erso?
Finally I suggest that The Mandalorian is a Star Wars property that isn't embarrassed of the EU material, and is widely adored by fans in large part because it's clearly made by fans of the material.
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What they need to do at this point is take the strongest characters and tell coherent, well-written stories and put them in movies that connect together in a reasonable way.
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RingoHe/Hima distinct lack of substanceRegistered Userregular
Eh. Connecting Star Wars movies seems lazy and possibly doomed to failure
I'd much prefer movies to exist in the Star Wars setting that don't acknowledge each other at all
James Bond (pre Craig) is selling me a movie experience instead of an increasingly convoluted narrative, and I can appreciate and enjoy that. If you want to tell long form stories there are better mediums to do that in
(Also IMO the MCU took ten years of pretty well done and amazingly interconnected movies and ended up with a senselessly pathetic long form story out of the deal, so I feel fairly confident that if Cinematic Universes can be good storytelling vehicles, their time hasn't come yet)
I think it's pretty clear Star Wars fans just want what Marvel fans have in the MCU. My friends who are into comic books tell me about all kinds of crazy bullshit stories, like "Captain America gets hooked on meth". Marvel decided not to put that into a movie and no one complained!
Nevermind the plots, the Star Wars movies even missed opportunities to do winks and nods. Is it really too hard to call a character Jan Ors instead of Jyn Erso?
Finally I suggest that The Mandalorian is a Star Wars property that isn't embarrassed of the EU material, and is widely adored by fans in large part because it's clearly made by fans of the material.
In the old EU you had that, the original Marvel comics were crazy wacky and great! You had glove of Darth Vader and all these other stories that were garbage, but also really fun. And it was a great homage to the kinds of sci-fi serial Star Wars was ostensibly based on. But apparently the only kind of stories allowed in the gffa are the kind you find in Warhammer 40,000 according to a certain subset of fans.
it's part of the reason why I have considerably softened on jar jar and other kid elements of Star Wars. The original trilogy is a classic and it's going to stay that way, you can't hurt it. So jeeze is it nice when Star Wars can stop being serious and start being fun.
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The thing about the MCU that the ST missed out completely on was that the MCU is constantly building up new characters. The ST spent its entire run revisiting old characters and using them as a crutch, ultimately culminating in the Palpatine shitshow we all saw in the end.
The problems are much more fundamental than how many wacky stories or out there plots or extra content they could've mined. They started with a clean slate and decided that the best thing to do was to hang around with old characters. Rian Johnson, for better or worse, tried to force the issue, and their response was to run back even faster and cling on even harder.
You can't move on if you aren't building new stuff. Period.
The MCU isn't exactly a 1 to 1 comparison to the Star Wars brand. It's an entire galaxy. You can have an infinite number of stories all going at once. They don't need to build to a giant crossover event, but they can mix things up where it's appropriate.
I think it's pretty clear Star Wars fans just want what Marvel fans have in the MCU. My friends who are into comic books tell me about all kinds of crazy bullshit stories, like "Captain America gets hooked on meth". Marvel decided not to put that into a movie and no one complained!
Nevermind the plots, the Star Wars movies even missed opportunities to do winks and nods. Is it really too hard to call a character Jan Ors instead of Jyn Erso?
Finally I suggest that The Mandalorian is a Star Wars property that isn't embarrassed of the EU material, and is widely adored by fans in large part because it's clearly made by fans of the material.
In the old EU you had that, the original Marvel comics were crazy wacky and great! You had glove of Darth Vader and all these other stories that were garbage, but also really fun. And it was a great homage to the kinds of sci-fi serial Star Wars was ostensibly based on. But apparently the only kind of stories allowed in the gffa are the kind you find in Warhammer 40,000 according to a certain subset of fans.
it's part of the reason why I have considerably softened on jar jar and other kid elements of Star Wars. The original trilogy is a classic and it's going to stay that way, you can't hurt it. So jeeze is it nice when Star Wars can stop being serious and start being fun.
Having freshly watched the first two prequel movies in the past couple of weeks, I wish Jar Jar was fun. Episode 1 and 2 are in desperate need of more fun. This "fans only want grimdark" thing feels like it's coming out of nowhere for me.
Although it should be noted that for over the top, ludicrous camp and silliness in a wartime setting, you actually probably want Warhammer 40k.
Eh. Connecting Star Wars movies seems lazy and possibly doomed to failure
I'd much prefer movies to exist in the Star Wars setting that don't acknowledge each other at all
James Bond (pre Craig) is selling me a movie experience instead of an increasingly convoluted narrative, and I can appreciate and enjoy that. If you want to tell long form stories there are better mediums to do that in
(Also IMO the MCU took ten years of pretty well done and amazingly interconnected movies and ended up with a senselessly pathetic long form story out of the deal, so I feel fairly confident that if Cinematic Universes can be good storytelling vehicles, their time hasn't come yet)
That's not what I'm saying. I don't care about the films being connected, I care about the filmmakers not being embarrassed of the source material.
A lot of the EU is bad. Really bad. Don't film those parts! Pick out the gems and away you go, pick out the stories and characters you, the writer, the director, the producer enjoy and create those.
I believe this is the difference between the Marvel and DC movies, the difference between Deadpool and X-Men Origins: Wolverine and I strongly believe this is the difference between The Mandalorian and the Star Wars "Stories"/Sequels. Both of those Star Wars properties invested heavily in nostalgia and references but only the latter felt like pandering at best.
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RingoHe/Hima distinct lack of substanceRegistered Userregular
Oh, I definitely can get behind mining good material and handing it to people who already have an enjoyment of said material.
What does that mean, though? You don't want Star Wars to be a massive media franchise that earns $ridiculous money?
You don't want it to be about a dozen separate plots that occasionally all link up to fight robot armies or something?
Star Wars is already a Cinematic Universe, and always has been.
You can say it's a cinematic universe now, but it was originally one film and then three films* that told one story. And that was when you could point at Star Wars and say it was pretty good. The MCU is set up to support a world (which is easy, as it's mostly our world, plus superheros and aliens), whereas Star Wars, to me, has mostly looked shaky and somehow unsatisfying when they've bolted on other stories or tried to extend the one that worked. Haven't seen the Mandalorian yet, though.
Star Wars keeps trying to shove more bits into the story we care about, whereas the MCU is just a place where lots of stories happen.
I guess I don't see where Franchise and Cinematic Universe differ.
Was it a CU when they added the prequels? Clone Wars/Rebels/Resistance/Mandalorian? Rogue One, Solo?
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Cinematic universe is several franchises under one umbrella. Captain America, Iron Man and Thor are each out there doing their own thing and having their own series, but they are also connected and do come together at times.
In contrast, Star Wars is just Star Wars because it's all a part of the same story. Everything is a prequel or a sequel or a spin-off of the main saga. It's all just Star Wars. The Mandalorian could be argued to be separate enough from the main story of the saga that it's the first entry of a Star Wars cinematic universe rather than "just Star Wars", but the rest is all just additions and addendums to the main story.
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It was less imaginative scifi and more straight space western which made it a tighter series but I felt really didn't add anything to Han. He's just Han Solo running up against evil mentor more deadly Han Solo and there's not much new there. Whereas Lando's series really makes him sing as a growing character, even if his Improbable Luck++ Trait lets the writer just go off the deep end in the plot department.
Though I will say Solo's final gunfight is still seared in my mind and a good payoff
I liked the concept of the Authority from the Solo books. It was a corporate entity that the Empire had basically leased a section of the galaxy to, and as long as they kept things under control they were free to exploit it as they wished. It setup a nice little sandbox for Han and Chewie to have their adventures in without having them run into the Empire or the Rebellion or any of that. It also made the Galactic Empire a bit more interesting since having a public-private partnership to exploit and oppress the locals is a bit more relevant to our times than a generic evil empire doing the same.
The Solo movie really should have skipped the origin story and just optioned the book trilogy.
I just want a bunch of fighter pilots running missions of the week with occasional overarching multi episode things.
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holy shit
The vast, vast majority were bad. That's okay.
And again, this was a response to someone saying they were upset at the "loss" of it. It's all still there. It's all every bit as canon as it was before.
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Eh, technically, pre-Disney you could assume an EU story happened unless it was contradicted. Now it’s kind of the opposite: none of it happened unless they say it did.
Except for the ton of ones written before they explained what the clone wars were, and anything about characters pasts before ANH.
This has never been my experience, the EU has always been alternative stories or fanfic.
Yeah, not canon. Nothing was thrown away. It's all still right there and means just as much as it did before Disney purchased the IP.
It’s just they expanded it to more stuff post merger.
Like, none of Dark Empire or Thrawn Trilogy makes any sense in context of the prequels.
I had long since fallen off by the time the old EU went away, but skimming the plot lines that were kicking around then, it does seem like it all got chopped fairly abruptly.
New Jedi Order combined with Episode One is when I bailed on Star Wars
You did not bail on Star Wars. You still post in these threads. Part of you cannot give up on it. Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
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No, that's impossible!
Nevermind the plots, the Star Wars movies even missed opportunities to do winks and nods. Is it really too hard to call a character Jan Ors instead of Jyn Erso?
Finally I suggest that The Mandalorian is a Star Wars property that isn't embarrassed of the EU material, and is widely adored by fans in large part because it's clearly made by fans of the material.
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The Star Wars Cinematic Universe
I'd much prefer movies to exist in the Star Wars setting that don't acknowledge each other at all
James Bond (pre Craig) is selling me a movie experience instead of an increasingly convoluted narrative, and I can appreciate and enjoy that. If you want to tell long form stories there are better mediums to do that in
(Also IMO the MCU took ten years of pretty well done and amazingly interconnected movies and ended up with a senselessly pathetic long form story out of the deal, so I feel fairly confident that if Cinematic Universes can be good storytelling vehicles, their time hasn't come yet)
In the old EU you had that, the original Marvel comics were crazy wacky and great! You had glove of Darth Vader and all these other stories that were garbage, but also really fun. And it was a great homage to the kinds of sci-fi serial Star Wars was ostensibly based on. But apparently the only kind of stories allowed in the gffa are the kind you find in Warhammer 40,000 according to a certain subset of fans.
it's part of the reason why I have considerably softened on jar jar and other kid elements of Star Wars. The original trilogy is a classic and it's going to stay that way, you can't hurt it. So jeeze is it nice when Star Wars can stop being serious and start being fun.
The problems are much more fundamental than how many wacky stories or out there plots or extra content they could've mined. They started with a clean slate and decided that the best thing to do was to hang around with old characters. Rian Johnson, for better or worse, tried to force the issue, and their response was to run back even faster and cling on even harder.
You can't move on if you aren't building new stuff. Period.
Having freshly watched the first two prequel movies in the past couple of weeks, I wish Jar Jar was fun. Episode 1 and 2 are in desperate need of more fun. This "fans only want grimdark" thing feels like it's coming out of nowhere for me.
Although it should be noted that for over the top, ludicrous camp and silliness in a wartime setting, you actually probably want Warhammer 40k.
That's not what I'm saying. I don't care about the films being connected, I care about the filmmakers not being embarrassed of the source material.
A lot of the EU is bad. Really bad. Don't film those parts! Pick out the gems and away you go, pick out the stories and characters you, the writer, the director, the producer enjoy and create those.
I believe this is the difference between the Marvel and DC movies, the difference between Deadpool and X-Men Origins: Wolverine and I strongly believe this is the difference between The Mandalorian and the Star Wars "Stories"/Sequels. Both of those Star Wars properties invested heavily in nostalgia and references but only the latter felt like pandering at best.
You don't want it to be about a dozen separate plots that occasionally all link up to fight robot armies or something?
Star Wars is already a Cinematic Universe, and always has been.
Star Wars keeps trying to shove more bits into the story we care about, whereas the MCU is just a place where lots of stories happen.
*and a holiday special, I guess.
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Was it a CU when they added the prequels? Clone Wars/Rebels/Resistance/Mandalorian? Rogue One, Solo?
In contrast, Star Wars is just Star Wars because it's all a part of the same story. Everything is a prequel or a sequel or a spin-off of the main saga. It's all just Star Wars. The Mandalorian could be argued to be separate enough from the main story of the saga that it's the first entry of a Star Wars cinematic universe rather than "just Star Wars", but the rest is all just additions and addendums to the main story.