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I always thought it was a little funny how much the whole forum seems to slow down on the weekend, and the PA Comic forum in particular might as well be thread locked from Friday at 5 through Monday at 8.
People aren't...using work hours unproductively, are they???
Simultaneously if someone wants to just block everyone who ever links a tweet, hey you do you
Imma just be frank here
Literally the only reason most of us still here are going to stop posting here is cause they’re turning the lights out on us in a few months
You know
This place
The dickwolves comic forum.
whaaaaaaat!?
noooooooooo!
Yeah it feels like when we're at the point where basically every major non-right wing subreddit has banned twitter, because Musk is so clearly a mask off Nazi, this forum can do the same?
I guess I always thought we were a lot more obviously and vocally against that stuff (being a mask off Nazi) than, say, the NBA subreddit? I can't fathom participating in anything that gives Musk more visibility right now, and just gesturing towards other media empires being owned by billionaires doesn't make me feel better about that. I do think being an overt Nazi can make you worse even if you are already pretty lame because you're a billionaire, which seems an easy concept.
Being able to turn off embeds would be a great step -- it does seem easy enough to go the extra step though. I think we all agree that symbolism is important, even acknowledging it won't single handedly change the world.
We're actually more about nuance and value over sweeping optics-only decisions.
Banning twitter will not hurt Elon Musk.
Banning twitter will hurt marginalized folks/groups who do not have the resources to leave twitter
I disagree. Taking away a microphone from a bigot is good, will always be good, and just handwaving that away does nothing in service of your point.
That also had a sub for pedophiles
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversial_Reddit_communities
What a great... Place...
Twitter is not a microphone for Elon Musk only and exclusively, so I'm not sure your analogy makes any sense here.
e: In fact I can't really remember the last time I saw a tweet linked that I would say Elon would want held up to his microphone
Pointing out the flaws with reddit does not help your argument.
Congrats, a horribly morally flawed organization is more willing to ban a fascist mouth piece than you are.
I'm clearly missing something because twitter and bluesky require the exact same resources to use. If you mean you think the communities won't leave whole cloth for bluesky than well .... I guess that's on them and it's a pity.
Just so you understand - this sort of statement reads to quite a few folks as you saying "well if they can't take care of themselves then fuck em leave em behind" which is not great!
Which itself is only a couple steps from "yet you live in a society"
So
ok so what am I missing? and what do you mean by take care of themselves? making a bluesky account is exactly the same as making a twitter account. Also, and I will say this plainly, I do NOT think anyone should be left behind! I think it would be amazing if everyone left together because that seems to me like the only thing anyone will notice.
edit: come on, making a social media account is =/= to moving out of country =p
I just think reddit sucks and we shouldn't be emulating the place that only reluctantly booted the worst of the worst off time and time again
They have maybe the worst track record when it comes to this and banning Twitter is like a feather on the scale when the other side is concrete blocks
Well, as someone who is not a member of those communities, I...
as long as they are using Twitter it still has positive value regardless of who owns it
like you can say they should leave all day long, and not be wrong, but that doesn't change the facts on the ground
well just imagine I bothered to post that seinfeld meme where he throws up his hands and walks away
Bad news about Seinfeld...
Even if you hate Twitter, there are likely news stories and things happening there daily that are still impacting the outside world in big ways; tossed a sack over your head and saying "I can't see the Nazi now so he must be gone" isn't fixing anything
If you ban Twitter from the forums you are not “taking away Elon Musk’s microphone”
You are taking away the microphones of countless people who aren’t Nazis, who actually report on and organize against Nazis, because it makes you feel like you did something even though all you did was make it so a bunch of people can’t share shit (like how far do you want this ban to go? If I screenshot HuffPost Jennifer bendry’s news tweets, do you want me banned for WrongShare on Coin Return?)
You’re comparing the mods running the major subreddits to the admins that own Reddit.
Reddit the company isn’t banning Twitter links, the user base is.
Saying the company sucks and therefore the mods/users suck too sounds an awful lot like saying people suck for continuing to use Twitter.
Ok well, I'm not
The spoons to handle drastic, sweeping change.
Like, imagine you and everyone you're close with having your entire third space ripped up and moved.
Might be hard for some folks!
We have native file storage. Apparently there's no support for connecting out to S3, so if we want that we're going to have to build it ourselves (meaning me and the other devs). Which might need to happen as we approach the storage cap for our plan, but hopefully we've got some time.
I brought up reddit specifically because it's not a moral high ground. Yet so many communities were able to make the decision to divest themselves from fascist crazy town twitter.
The same concerns were raised as are being raised here. It turns out you can get basically everything that's on twitter in other places! It's been tried, fretted about, and it's actually very easy to just stop using twitter for news.
As has been mentioned, the barrier to entry for bluesky is essentially non-existant. If you can make a twitter account, you can make a bluesky account. I've observed numerous prominent twitter personalities do this. Yes there was some transition pain, but they were willing to do it to stop a shitty human from having a bigger platform.
The less relevant twitter is, the less relevant Musk is. The less people on twitter, the less relevant twitter is. It is a simple concept that can be applied to many other non-Musk, non-twitter entities, and works very well in this case.
If someone's audience/community is still on Twitter, then it may be difficult for them to leave Twitter. In an ideal world, sure, we all leave Twitter at once and it collapses upon itself, but ultimately this is something that is doing to happen in drips and drabs, as some people move all at once and others straddle the line for a while and so on and so forth.
Shouldn't be very hard to do honestly.
Could probably create a bucket per user to make it easier to manage on the back end which images belong to which user and allow folks to delete them when they want or if they add something by accident.
People, many of whom are the marginalized communities many of you profess to support, shouldn’t have to be forced out of their online communities because a Nazi fucking bought the place and fucked with it to try and bolster his shitgargling nazi sycophants and parasocial obsessions over the rest of the populace on the site.