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The Water Cooler (General Discussion)
Zibblsnrt
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This thread's a more relaxed chat/general-discussion thread for the whole mess, since not everything slots into the topic threads and people are going to need to blow off steam now and then.
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You're not the first person to wonder about revisiting Bans of Yore in the context of the move though, and I'm planning to do some wheelspinning on how to at least think about older cases while still keeping the vast spammer hordes booted. On a technical level it's definitely a "can't make promises quite yet" thing though, just from the sheer scale of said banlist.
yeah I can imagine it would be a very nasty thing to code. And it's not at all a high priority.
Open the floodgates for the final week before the move.
Any estimate on the amount of bots to people in that list?
It'll depend on the tradeoff happens. Like, I could see PA making a big announcement about the forums separating from PA and can now be found at Wang.Fu or whatever. Heck, that might even bring some old faces out of the wood work, though I can see that not necessarily being a great thing. Also it might draw a little too much attention to ourselves when we're still starting out and that could very well make us a target.
If the forum just vanishes one day, and only people who know of the transition know what happened, then yeah having the right name might be the difference between people being able to find there way here or not.
Or were you just talking, like, "it has to be a cool name" or something?
With one particularly dedicated troll being, what, 20% of those?
Which raises the question, since we're on the topic; how many accounts does the forum have total? Banned, active, inactive, everything?
But that's the long-standing process that is already in place and is sorta tangental to the whole move to a new forum.
I think part of the problem with revisiting old bans is that many of them happened for very good reasons but years down the line memories get fuzzy and documentation gets sketchy. Maybe the person ate a ban for something unrelated to other very good reasons they shouldn't be allowed to return to our community. Some community members may feel very unsafe if past permabans are rescinded, but wouldn't feel safe speaking up about it unprompted.
I think with the basically complete turnover of the mod staff and fuzziness of institutional knowledge, if past perma-banned folks are asking to come back it should definitely be in consultation with the remaining retired mods and potentially a public discussion so people with concerns about said person have an opportunity to raise said concerns at least privately with the mods.
But overall, I can maybe think of one or two cases that probably should get consideration, but I have trouble thinking of anyone who ate an honest to god permanent who hadn't been basically begging for it long-term. I feel that at least during Geebs tenure that's a moderation step that was used reluctantly and as a last resort.
I was compiling all the stakeholders, and we know a bunch already, such as the forumers, and we can probably make some classifications in those, but what's missing is:
We don't know what the mod team, a vital pillar of the forums, want. In a concrete way.
This is logical, as they might have had their internal discussions on the mod-board, or they might have something already visualized. Or they might just have thoughts that are obvious to them.
But based on my experiences with customers, it helps if the team knows what the customer wants. And having the customer concretely write down what they want is needed.
This turns nebulous thoughts like "It needs to be like Twitter" into something the team can work with, such as "Having direct messages between users is a must-have feature"
I would say, "I would greatly appreciate it if the mod team made a thread in this forum, where they can discuss their Must-haves, nice to haves, dreams, hopes and girl-crushes"
There is little point if Spool is researching on how to start a non-profit if this is a non-starter with the mod-team.
Another example, if it's a must that moderation can happen on a mobile phone without a seperate app, this info needs to be known.
I know its mostly a joke, but If we could not make the forum name wang.gooning or whatever, that would be appreciated.
but they're listening to every word I say
but seriously, I think Post Arcade would probably be best for simplicity and continuity
a poll seems like the democratic solution but we will absolutely be larlar.forums or forummcforumface.forum
which I'm fine with personally but maybe a lot of us aren't
People change. If they can show genuine remorse for their behavior and truly understand why what they did was wrong, then hey, sure, give 'em a second chance.
If they just want to continue to be an asshole than they can be shown the door.
Mostly agree except in instances where people were doing things like stalking or harassment.
If they just got banned for being assholes it’s been a long time, but I don’t know why they’d want to come back in the first place after so long.
If you were booted for stalking in the past (which I know has happened), you're done. Forever. Go find somewhere else to post.
So, therefore, we should make the policy that you can be unbanned if there is evidence that the ban was for a relatively minor reason.
If nobody remembers or has evidence of why you were banned, unfortunately that will have to remain in place.
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Unless someone expresses a desire to return, it really just does not matter. And if they do, there's already a process for that appeal. Maybe the appeal process can be expanded or changed, I dunno, but this feels like something NuForum's moderation should handle and isn't something we really need to tackle when making decisions on what to do to create NuForum.
Like, some people are happy being banned. Some people are better for it. It's not all about us and how we feel about it. Unless you know of someone who wants to come back, there's no real point in arguing about this.
Yes I agree, I’d rather not have to explain to my wife why I’m donating money to wangznbuttz.com every month.
Also I really like Post Arcade!
just like a video game!
The real question is if the domain has a hyphen or not...
how dare you disparge our collective love for Marjorie Merriweather Post!!
but seriously, I don't think they'll care. They don't care -now-
I was thinking this as well. I don't think Post Arcade works - it's too close, and retains the initials. I still like Neo Arcadia, for a few reasons:
Also, while we're here...
It was nice knowing you Delzhand...
I'm pretty sure Hacksaw is joking, but yes I agree.
I have total confidence that the current mods agree and am pretty sure all the suggestions of such are just lighthearted goofs
The big independent audio engineering forum that has been around for a while was called gearslutz.
GDSForum.com
It doesn't directly lean into penny arcade in any way, but it is an artifact of the posting culture, and the eventual tangents needing to go find a new home.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
Yep, I remember that. I mostly lurk there, I'm too intimidated to post much.
See, this one I really like, due to the heritage of the forums (though it is mostly a D&D thing) and because like BFG, you can swap out the swear word for something else really easily.