It's possible you're right, and I'm sure the internal flash does have the advantage of taking a known amount of time. But. According to the SD standard, the slowest maximum transfer speed is 0.9MB/s, which by some rough calculations based of Rock Band DLC, is more than fast enough by 2 or 3 times. Some really shitty/broken/old cards might go slower than this, but the number of people using that type of card should be fairly small.
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I'm no expert on this junk, so this could just be nonsense, but is that the sequential read rate? If the DLC is stored with each track stored after one another (as separate files within an archive, or whatever), then it would have be constantly reading from different locations, right? It might be slower, or something, I don't know.
I'm no expert on this junk, so this could just be nonsense, but is that the sequential read rate? If the DLC is stored with each track stored after one another (as separate files within an archive, or whatever), then it would have be constantly reading from different locations, right? It might be slower, or something, I don't know.
It's maximum sequential read, yeah. It's the only solid number I could find, as minimum guaranteed read speed is not a number anyone sticks on their product with pride. In finding that number, I went way conservative by choosing the slowest standard speed, which I'm not sure you can even buy anymore. Just look at the dregs of Newegg when searching for ultra cheap SD cards. Even the shittiest ones report 6.0MB/s max speed. If they only report it as a multiple of whatever, that whatever is 150KB/s.
Fragmentation shouldn't ever be bad enough to impact gameplay, Not unless you're shuffling in and out hundreds of songs, which you wouldn't do, since the SD card is where they live.
What I'm saying is that rough calculations, allowing for read speeds almost 10 times slower than advertised STILL allow just about any modern SD card to stream this content.
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The easiest way to tell if this is anywhere close to necessary will be to just wait until it comes out and see how long it takes to copy from an extremely slow, fragmented SD card. If it takes significantly less than 3 minutes for a 3 minute song, it's bullshit. If it takes more than that in any case, then it's not going to be worth the trouble to play DLC songs!
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BTW, here is Nintendo's own, official translation of what Iwata said about storage solution:
"We will make it so that, when there is not enough room on the Wii's internal memory, you will be able to purchase and download Virtual Console and WiiWare software directly from the Shopping Channel to an SD memory card. We will also make it so that you will need to go through just one process in order to transfer Virtual Console or WiiWare software stored on an SD card to the Wii console and then be able to play it. We would like to deal with this issue utilizing two methods. Since the updates to realize these new structures will require significant revisions to the Wii system, and these changes need to be made by taking care of a variety of different angles, this method will become effective beginning next spring. For some of you, this may be considered late. But please know that we really appreciate your cooperation and understanding. We are working hard so we can begin the service as soon as possible."
Wait... so... software doesn't even run off of the SD card? They are just making it a little easier to shuffle shit between your card and the onboard storage? What a fucking cop out. That fixes NOTHING.
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If the games on the SD card show up as channels or there's a simple way of viewing the content of the SD card from the main menu, then I'm fine with it. Especially if the ~40 MB of space it needs free to copy them is taken from the system-reserved portion of the internal memory, but that might be a little much to hope for.
I just don't want to have to go into a menu three or four levels deep, delete something off of the internal memory, and then copy something from my SD card to be able to play it.
BTW, here is Nintendo's own, official translation of what Iwata said about storage solution:
"We will make it so that, when there is not enough room on the Wii's internal memory, you will be able to purchase and download Virtual Console and WiiWare software directly from the Shopping Channel to an SD memory card. We will also make it so that you will need to go through just one process in order to transfer Virtual Console or WiiWare software stored on an SD card to the Wii console and then be able to play it. We would like to deal with this issue utilizing two methods. Since the updates to realize these new structures will require significant revisions to the Wii system, and these changes need to be made by taking care of a variety of different angles, this method will become effective beginning next spring. For some of you, this may be considered late. But please know that we really appreciate your cooperation and understanding. We are working hard so we can begin the service as soon as possible."
Wait... so... software doesn't even run off of the SD card? They are just making it a little easier to shuffle shit between your card and the onboard storage? What a fucking cop out. That fixes NOTHING.
"We appreciate your cooperation and understanding, since we drug out feet and told you to fuck off over the past year, before we couldn't ignore this issue any longer."
BTW, here is Nintendo's own, official translation of what Iwata said about storage solution:
"We will make it so that, when there is not enough room on the Wii's internal memory, you will be able to purchase and download Virtual Console and WiiWare software directly from the Shopping Channel to an SD memory card. We will also make it so that you will need to go through just one process in order to transfer Virtual Console or WiiWare software stored on an SD card to the Wii console and then be able to play it. We would like to deal with this issue utilizing two methods. Since the updates to realize these new structures will require significant revisions to the Wii system, and these changes need to be made by taking care of a variety of different angles, this method will become effective beginning next spring. For some of you, this may be considered late. But please know that we really appreciate your cooperation and understanding. We are working hard so we can begin the service as soon as possible."
Wait... so... software doesn't even run off of the SD card? They are just making it a little easier to shuffle shit between your card and the onboard storage? What a fucking cop out. That fixes NOTHING.
"We appreciate your cooperation and understanding, since we drug out feet and told you to fuck off over the past year, before we couldn't ignore this issue any longer.
"We appreciate your cooperation and understanding, since we drug out feet and told you to fuck off over the past year, before we couldn't ignore this issue any longer."
BTW, here is Nintendo's own, official translation of what Iwata said about storage solution:
"We will make it so that, when there is not enough room on the Wii's internal memory, you will be able to purchase and download Virtual Console and WiiWare software directly from the Shopping Channel to an SD memory card. We will also make it so that you will need to go through just one process in order to transfer Virtual Console or WiiWare software stored on an SD card to the Wii console and then be able to play it. We would like to deal with this issue utilizing two methods. Since the updates to realize these new structures will require significant revisions to the Wii system, and these changes need to be made by taking care of a variety of different angles, this method will become effective beginning next spring. For some of you, this may be considered late. But please know that we really appreciate your cooperation and understanding. We are working hard so we can begin the service as soon as possible."
Wait... so... software doesn't even run off of the SD card? They are just making it a little easier to shuffle shit between your card and the onboard storage? What a fucking cop out. That fixes NOTHING.
"We appreciate your cooperation and understanding, since we drug out feet and told you to fuck off over the past year, before we couldn't ignore this issue any longer.
Now here is the solution you did not want."
Fixed.
I wish I could have been in the board room where/when they made this decision... I just want to see what kind of backwards logic brought this about.
We will also make it so that you will need to go through just one process in order to transfer Virtual Console or WiiWare software stored on an SD card to the Wii console and then be able to play it.
What is one process? While playing off the card would be best, if it's quick and easy then I don't care, it'll be close enough to running off the card.
Click button, copy game to card. Click button, copy other game to internal and autoplay when finished. No problem.
I'm gonna wait on this new DS for a while. I got my DS lite in summer '07 and love it. The camera on the DSi doesn't interest me but being able to download games onto it sounds cool.
Is anyone else excited at the prospect of using the camera to read QR codes?
What are QR codes?
Have you ever seen one of these?
This is a QR code. Pretty much everything in Japan has them, often with a URL embedded in them so when you take a picture of it with your phone it will automatically go to it.
They're pretty cool.
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Oh, so that's what those things are! I see them on damn near everything but had no idea what they actually were. Awesome.
BTW, here is Nintendo's own, official translation of what Iwata said about storage solution:
"We will make it so that, when there is not enough room on the Wii's internal memory, you will be able to purchase and download Virtual Console and WiiWare software directly from the Shopping Channel to an SD memory card. We will also make it so that you will need to go through just one process in order to transfer Virtual Console or WiiWare software stored on an SD card to the Wii console and then be able to play it. We would like to deal with this issue utilizing two methods. Since the updates to realize these new structures will require significant revisions to the Wii system, and these changes need to be made by taking care of a variety of different angles, this method will become effective beginning next spring. For some of you, this may be considered late. But please know that we really appreciate your cooperation and understanding. We are working hard so we can begin the service as soon as possible."
Wait... so... software doesn't even run off of the SD card? They are just making it a little easier to shuffle shit between your card and the onboard storage? What a fucking cop out. That fixes NOTHING.
"We appreciate your cooperation and understanding, since we drug out feet and told you to fuck off over the past year, before we couldn't ignore this issue any longer.
Now here is the solution you did not want."
Fixed.
I wish I could have been in the board room where/when they made this decision... I just want to see what kind of backwards logic brought this about.
I don't understand the difference between playing from the sd card and what they're planning on doing. From what I understood the problem was that sd cards were too slow to deal with that kind of thing so what else were they going to do? They gotta read from the card eventually.
My iPhone has a QR code "reader" but it really can't take a sharp enough picture of any but the largest qr codes to decode them.
I don't understand the difference between playing from the sd card and what they're planning on doing. From what I understood the problem was that sd cards were too slow to deal with that kind of thing so what else were they going to do? They gotta read from the card eventually.
My iPhone has a QR code "reader" but it really can't take a sharp enough picture of any but the largest qr codes to decode them.
SD cards are more than fast enough, they are in fact much faster than any of the media the games were on in their original forms. The problem is that nintendo has some extremely slow, crappy encryption and decryption that goes on when transferring things to SD cards.
Is anyone else excited at the prospect of using the camera to read QR codes?
What are QR codes?
Have you ever seen one of these?
This is a QR code. Pretty much everything in Japan has them, often with a URL embedded in them so when you take a picture of it with your phone it will automatically go to it.
Read that earlier today. I'm instantly turned off. I own a handful of Moon-language DS games and damn it if Ouendan 3 comes out for the DSi you better bet your fucking ass I want a copy.
Read that earlier today. I'm instantly turned off. I own a handful of Moon-language DS games and damn it if Ouendan 3 comes out for the DSi you better bet your fucking ass I want a copy.
Oh god...I just thought of the worst/best feature to go into that game. "Ouendan 3 for the DSi! Now upload your face, as well as your friends, onto those in your cheer squad! Now YOU hold the power to cheer!" Or something along those lines. You know its going to happen...
Read that earlier today. I'm instantly turned off. I own a handful of Moon-language DS games and damn it if Ouendan 3 comes out for the DSi you better bet your fucking ass I want a copy.
Oh god...I just thought of the worst/best feature to go into that game. "Ouendan 3 for the DSi! Now upload your face, as well as your friends, onto those in your cheer squad! Now YOU hold the power to cheer!" Or something along those lines. You know its going to happen...
Read that earlier today. I'm instantly turned off. I own a handful of Moon-language DS games and damn it if Ouendan 3 comes out for the DSi you better bet your fucking ass I want a copy.
Oh god...I just thought of the worst/best feature to go into that game. "Ouendan 3 for the DSi! Now upload your face, as well as your friends, onto those in your cheer squad! Now YOU hold the power to cheer!" Or something along those lines. You know its going to happen...
Read that earlier today. I'm instantly turned off. I own a handful of Moon-language DS games and damn it if Ouendan 3 comes out for the DSi you better bet your fucking ass I want a copy.
Oh god...I just thought of the worst/best feature to go into that game. "Ouendan 3 for the DSi! Now upload your face, as well as your friends, onto those in your cheer squad! Now YOU hold the power to cheer!" Or something along those lines. You know its going to happen...
And it'd be fucking glorious
Just not for us..
Good point, the spoiler has been fixed.
Besides all us savages in America would probably just spoil it for everybody else with Peenuendan.. =P
So 1up is reporting Nintendo Points will be system specific. No using those Wii points for DS games or vice-versa. You choose the system to put them on while adding them. Boo.
So 1up is reporting Nintendo Points will be system specific. No using those Wii points for DS games or vice-versa. You choose the system to put them on while adding them. Boo.
I thought that was kind of the point of calling them "Nintendo Points" instead of just making some "DS Points" in addition to Wii points. Boo, indeed.
Read that earlier today. I'm instantly turned off. I own a handful of Moon-language DS games and damn it if Ouendan 3 comes out for the DSi you better bet your fucking ass I want a copy.
Oh god...I just thought of the worst/best feature to go into that game. "Ouendan 3 for the DSi! Now upload your face, as well as your friends, onto those in your cheer squad! Now YOU hold the power to cheer!" Or something along those lines. You know its going to happen...
And it'd be fucking glorious
Earlier today I imagined Ouendan/EBA with DLC. It would be so beautiful...
What happened, Nintendo? You were on such a roll. You were flying.
This is what nintendo does, they dangle a carrot in front of your face, and then when you're reaching out for that carrot, they jump out and rape you in the ass
in a way, i'm kind of happy about this decision to add a little region-locking -- this way, less people will preorder a DSi, making it easier for me to snatch one!
Man, fuck that shit. I thought the DS being region-free didn't give Nintendo any trouble?
I would bet it's just for DL games. I really don't see how they could enforce region restrictions on physical games that have to work with the older DS systems.
Also, why would Nintendo make "DSi" games and alienate a fucking MASSIVE install base? That's just stupid. Sure there will be 1 or 2 that use the camera, but it won't be anything worth getting all up in arms about.
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in a way, i'm kind of happy about this decision to add a little region-locking -- this way, less people will preorder a DSi, making it easier for me to snatch one!
What happened, Nintendo? You were on such a roll. You were flying.
This is what nintendo does, they dangle a carrot in front of your face, and then when you're reaching out for that carrot, they jump out and rape you in the ass
I think it was Tycho who said it best when he said about Nintendo "just to remind you that Nintendo made it there is a serious flaw".
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What happened, Nintendo? You were on such a roll. You were flying.
This is what nintendo does, they dangle a carrot in front of your face, and then when you're reaching out for that carrot, they jump out and rape you in the ass
I think it was Tycho who said it best when he said about Nintendo "just to remind you that Nintendo made it there is a serious flaw".
You can't fuck small children and get away with it unless you're a huge multinational corporation?
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It's maximum sequential read, yeah. It's the only solid number I could find, as minimum guaranteed read speed is not a number anyone sticks on their product with pride. In finding that number, I went way conservative by choosing the slowest standard speed, which I'm not sure you can even buy anymore. Just look at the dregs of Newegg when searching for ultra cheap SD cards. Even the shittiest ones report 6.0MB/s max speed. If they only report it as a multiple of whatever, that whatever is 150KB/s.
Fragmentation shouldn't ever be bad enough to impact gameplay, Not unless you're shuffling in and out hundreds of songs, which you wouldn't do, since the SD card is where they live.
What I'm saying is that rough calculations, allowing for read speeds almost 10 times slower than advertised STILL allow just about any modern SD card to stream this content.
Wait... so... software doesn't even run off of the SD card? They are just making it a little easier to shuffle shit between your card and the onboard storage? What a fucking cop out. That fixes NOTHING.
I just don't want to have to go into a menu three or four levels deep, delete something off of the internal memory, and then copy something from my SD card to be able to play it.
"We appreciate your cooperation and understanding, since we drug out feet and told you to fuck off over the past year, before we couldn't ignore this issue any longer."
Fixed.
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I wish I could have been in the board room where/when they made this decision... I just want to see what kind of backwards logic brought this about.
What is one process? While playing off the card would be best, if it's quick and easy then I don't care, it'll be close enough to running off the card.
Click button, copy game to card. Click button, copy other game to internal and autoplay when finished. No problem.
What are QR codes?
Have you ever seen one of these?
This is a QR code. Pretty much everything in Japan has them, often with a URL embedded in them so when you take a picture of it with your phone it will automatically go to it.
They're pretty cool.
I don't understand the difference between playing from the sd card and what they're planning on doing. From what I understood the problem was that sd cards were too slow to deal with that kind of thing so what else were they going to do? They gotta read from the card eventually.
My iPhone has a QR code "reader" but it really can't take a sharp enough picture of any but the largest qr codes to decode them.
Return of the E-reader!
Dun dun dun....
DSi-specific games will be region locked.
Read that earlier today. I'm instantly turned off. I own a handful of Moon-language DS games and damn it if Ouendan 3 comes out for the DSi you better bet your fucking ass I want a copy.
Oh god...I just thought of the worst/best feature to go into that game. "Ouendan 3 for the DSi! Now upload your face, as well as your friends, onto those in your cheer squad! Now YOU hold the power to cheer!" Or something along those lines. You know its going to happen...
Good point, the spoiler has been fixed.
Besides all us savages in America would probably just spoil it for everybody else with Peenuendan.. =P
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I thought that was kind of the point of calling them "Nintendo Points" instead of just making some "DS Points" in addition to Wii points. Boo, indeed.
Earlier today I imagined Ouendan/EBA with DLC. It would be so beautiful...
This is what nintendo does, they dangle a carrot in front of your face, and then when you're reaching out for that carrot, they jump out and rape you in the ass
Handhelds being multi-region is one of their selling points for adults, and adults playing DS is why $$$$$$円円円円円円円
I would bet it's just for DL games. I really don't see how they could enforce region restrictions on physical games that have to work with the older DS systems.
Also, why would Nintendo make "DSi" games and alienate a fucking MASSIVE install base? That's just stupid. Sure there will be 1 or 2 that use the camera, but it won't be anything worth getting all up in arms about.
You're a butthole, lol
I think it was Tycho who said it best when he said about Nintendo "just to remind you that Nintendo made it there is a serious flaw".
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You can't fuck small children and get away with it unless you're a huge multinational corporation?