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[Hiberno-Britannic Politics] This guy, who I named "Brexit", did something stupid

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  • LiiyaLiiya Registered User regular
    I encourage everyone in this thread to take a look at the photos of Osborne addressing the Evening Standard staff circulating at the moment. Their expressions are pretty much exactly what you'd imagine.

    Meanwhile, Sturgeon has gone full troll.


    Not gonna lie I'm tempted to look for jobs in Scotland after my Masters.

  • LiiyaLiiya Registered User regular
    Last time I went to site in Scotland some delightful builders/engineers made me tea and gave me doughnuts. It was a great first impression of Scotland.

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  • Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    I recently applied for a Civil Service training course with a choice of locations, and Edinburgh was one of them. I seriously considered adding it to the places I'd be willing to work along with Leeds and Manchester, but ultimately decided against it.

    Might be something to consider once I've got the training out of the way, though. Mrs Rhesus and I love Scotland - we honeymooned there and are going back for our second anniversary.

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  • AlphaRomeroAlphaRomero Registered User regular
    edited March 18
    Mojo_Jojo wrote: »
    To be honest I'm hoping that somewhere in Europe starts making a big push to hoover up people on the sciences. As my partner is one of those in the big uncertain group of filthy foreigners who came here to steal ours jobs and benefits

    I'm currently on year 1 of a three year ERC funded project. At the end of it my girlfriend (who's also a scientist) and I are strongly considering emigrating. There's just a general feeling of betrayal that our government and our fellow country people are actively destroying our future and prosperity for petty ideological reasons.

    Ehhhh, the government has always been about taking care of itself not the people. When's the last time you had soemone idealistic and inspirational rocketing up the political ladder uniting the nation with hope (and don't say Corbyn). The government is a complete waste of space filled with hypocritical, lying, cheating, amoral scumbags, so their actions are nothing new because ultimately if the EU thing fucks up big time, they'll retire and get 6 other jobs they're not qualified for because they have contacts.

    As for your countrymen, a low percentage of people actually voted at all and of them there was 48% saying no, and if they hadn't been apathetic about victory as per the norm, that side would probably have won. It's like all Americans just fleeing rather than trying to fix the problem. But if you want to emigrate because of say "sun", go for it.

    I admit I don't know how to fix it short of a Purge style free for all that doesn't exempt government officials, but hey, small steps.

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  • V1mV1m Registered User regular
    Liiya wrote: »
    Last time I went to site in Scotland some delightful builders/engineers made me tea and gave me doughnuts. It was a great first impression of Scotland.

    Also let me tell you about tattie scones

  • Dis'Dis' Registered User regular
    Mojo_Jojo wrote: »
    To be honest I'm hoping that somewhere in Europe starts making a big push to hoover up people on the sciences. As my partner is one of those in the big uncertain group of filthy foreigners who came here to steal ours jobs and benefits

    I'm currently on year 1 of a three year ERC funded project. At the end of it my girlfriend (who's also a scientist) and I are strongly considering emigrating. There's just a general feeling of betrayal that our government and our fellow country people are actively destroying our future and prosperity for petty ideological reasons.

    As for your countrymen, a low percentage of people actually voted at all and of them there was 48% saying no, and if they hadn't been apathetic about victory as per the norm, that side would probably have won. It's like all Americans just fleeing rather than trying to fix the problem. But if you want to emigrate because of say "sun", go for it.

    Unfortunately 72% voted in the referendum, which isn't low at all. A lot of people turned out to be pretty awful.

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  • Zilla360Zilla360 21st Century. Surreal. Immersive. Earth.Registered User regular
    Tattie scones are great! :)

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  • scherbchenscherbchen Asgard (it is dead)Registered User regular
    edited March 19
    Í was so sad I did not bring my phone today when I went to the supermarket (a REWE in Munich Schwabing).

    right there up front was a stall (unmanned) promoting English marmelade.

    made me think of y'all.

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  • JazzJazz UKRegistered User regular
    scherbchen wrote: »
    Í was so sad I did not bring my phone today when I went to the supermarket (a REWE in Munich Schwabing).

    right there up front was a stall (unmanned) promoting English marmelade.

    made me think of y'all.

    That it was unmanned is just poetically perfect. :)

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  • BethrynBethryn Cheers love, the cavalry's queer Registered User regular
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39318822

    by the combined powers of nicola and this new, more outspoken tim, we almost have an opposition again.

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  • pezgenpezgen Registered User regular
    Come on, Tim!

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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    They've done a couple of hatchet pieces.

    On the specific point about inaccuracies in the articles about living people, there are valid criticisms to be made. In particular: the policies that a person can't edit their own page, and that all information must come from reliable secondary sources, are reasonable in and of themselves, but don't account for the issue that arises when one or more secondary sources get something wrong, and this then gets repeated.

    Wikipedia does really seem like it could use some specific policies around that point particularly.

  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Wikipedia has its flaws but I feel pretty fair in saying that wikipedia should try to improve it's flaws while being overall a pretty good and useful thing whereas the Daily Mail is a national fucking embarrassment

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  • autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    Can someone who has the site open quote the text? Don't want to give the daily fail more clicks..

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  • EinzelEinzel Registered User regular
    How hard is it for you UKers to move to Scotland anyway? I can only imagine it in relatively USA terms of moving to a different state (that's all of a 5 hour drive away).

  • SharpyVIISharpyVII Registered User regular

    Einzel wrote: »
    How hard is it for you UKers to move to Scotland anyway? I can only imagine it in relatively USA terms of moving to a different state (that's all of a 5 hour drive away).

    Yeah there's no restrictions or anything you have to do specifically.

    Same with Wales and Northern Ireland.

  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    Einzel wrote: »
    How hard is it for you UKers to move to Scotland anyway? I can only imagine it in relatively USA terms of moving to a different state (that's all of a 5 hour drive away).

    It's literally a case of procuring accomodation, packing up your stuff and moving. Need to update your voter registry and drivers license, but other than that there are few hurdles.

    And Scotland being the benefit of an English brain drain would be quite the play if they managed to pull it off.

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Fuck it I'd consider it

    But honestly I'd prefer if the North of England just decided to throw their lot in with Scotland from the Watford gap upwards

    Not like we're going to benefit at all from independence, and if Scotland managed to stay in the EU, I'd rather that than be locked into an eternal Tory government

    Although it is, of course, about as likely as the moon falling out of the sky

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  • altidaltid Registered User regular
    Einzel wrote: »
    How hard is it for you UKers to move to Scotland anyway? I can only imagine it in relatively USA terms of moving to a different state (that's all of a 5 hour drive away).

    It's literally a case of procuring accomodation, packing up your stuff and moving. Need to update your voter registry and drivers license, but other than that there are few hurdles.

    And Scotland being the benefit of an English brain drain would be quite the play if they managed to pull it off.

    Imagine if it were that easy to move to anywhere in Europe, wouldn't that be great?

    Sarcasm aside it really is a tragedy when you sit back and think of what you personally will lose as a result of brexit. Although I'm unlikely to ever take advantage of it I like the idea of being able to live and work throughout Europe without restriction. I take comfort from the fact that I can claim Irish citizenship (provided the dissolution of the good friday agreement doesn't impact that). At the rate May is going though, I wouldn't be surprised if building a wall is her solution to NI border issues.

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  • V1mV1m Registered User regular
    Liiya wrote: »

    The best part is that the Daily Mail management can pout and whine as much as they like (that's a lot), but they can't reciprocate, because they, like pretty much every media outlet everywhere rely very heavily on Wikipedia, whether they admit it or not.

  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo A lemon squeezed in the salty fist of Poseidon Registered User regular
    Einzel wrote: »
    How hard is it for you UKers to move to Scotland anyway? I can only imagine it in relatively USA terms of moving to a different state (that's all of a 5 hour drive away).

    Find somewhere to live and go live there. It's pretty simple. The key obstacle would be the job market

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  • Anarchy Rules!Anarchy Rules! Registered User regular
    edited March 19

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  • CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    With Ruth Davidson jumping on the pile it looks like Osborne wont be able to keep all his jobs. And fucking good I say he's treating his role as an MP as a means to get contacts for better paying jobs. At the point where he has six roles demanding his time it's time to admit he'd taking the piss.

    I've seen it written that first and foremost on Osbornes mind is the fact that his constituency is up for the chop with the boundary changes and he probably won't be elected again anyway. So that being the case he should fuck off to his editorial job and have the decency to stop collecting a salary for a public position he's clearly already checked out from.

    So good riddance to the poster boy for Tory privilege and corruption. Utter scumbag.

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  • Dis'Dis' Registered User regular
    Solar wrote: »
    Fuck it I'd consider it

    But honestly I'd prefer if the North of England just decided to throw their lot in with Scotland from the Watford gap upwards

    Not like we're going to benefit at all from independence, and if Scotland managed to stay in the EU, I'd rather that than be locked into an eternal Tory government

    Although it is, of course, about as likely as the moon falling out of the sky

    I mean the north is lovely but looking at recent election\referendums I'm don't think this impossible hypothetical is in Scotland's interest ;). Plus with the northern English still outnumber the Scots in such a state.

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  • Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    Yeah, the North is great, but we're* the people who elected Phillip Davies, a "Why isn't there an International Men's Day" tweet made flesh

    *I know I was born in Portsmouth shut up I'm northern by marriage and on my dad's side

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  • LiiyaLiiya Registered User regular
    Dis' wrote: »
    Solar wrote: »
    Fuck it I'd consider it

    But honestly I'd prefer if the North of England just decided to throw their lot in with Scotland from the Watford gap upwards

    Not like we're going to benefit at all from independence, and if Scotland managed to stay in the EU, I'd rather that than be locked into an eternal Tory government

    Although it is, of course, about as likely as the moon falling out of the sky

    I mean the north is lovely but looking at recent election\referendums I'm don't think this impossible hypothetical is in Scotland's interest ;). Plus with the northern English still outnumber the Scots in such a state.

    But has hypothetical Scotland scenario considered this:

    Please may we.

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  • Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    Fuck it, let's pledge allegiance to Sweden

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  • KneelKneel Registered User regular
    edited March 20
    Fuck it, let's pledge allegiance to Sweden

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    I knew those Swedish lessons would pay off.

    Man the more the UK heads down the spiral, the more I wish that I could move to Sweden but the personal hurdles are massive.

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  • pezgenpezgen Registered User regular
    This morning, Labour continues to pick fights with each other, presumably because they can't think of anyone else who might possibly be doing anything they'd need to comment on.

    Labour in battle with Momentum for its future, says Watson

  • BogartBogart Newsflash, fuckwads: I'm a good person. Registered User regular
    To be fair, the leader of Momentum saying they're effectively going to take over the Labour party by allying with Len McCluskey and Unite to ensure Labour remain a hard left protest group of ideological purity is a battle the PLP should be taking on.

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    That the Momentum spokesperson considers Tom Watson quite right wing and Momentum to be moderates shows just how out of touch with the political reality of modern Britain they are I think.

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  • pezgenpezgen Registered User regular
    edited March 20
    Bogart wrote: »
    To be fair, the leader of Momentum saying they're effectively going to take over the Labour party by allying with Len McCluskey and Unite to ensure Labour remain a hard left protest group of ideological purity is a battle the PLP should be taking on.

    Absolutely. I was commenting on Momentum's actions rather than Watson's, but it really does feel like we're just hearing the same things over and over from both sides.

    Edit: especially with rumours of a snap election circulating:

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  • BogartBogart Newsflash, fuckwads: I'm a good person. Registered User regular
    On the one hand, seventy odd more MPs for the government would be a real boost to them, lending May's position some measure of legitimacy. On the other, Corbyn would surely* be resigning the day after, and the Tories want him there as long as possible to make sure Labour stay dead and buried.

    *I say this because anyone else in his position would resign after losing like he's going to lose, but he's Corbyn.

  • pezgenpezgen Registered User regular
    He'd lose 70 seats, make no comment to the press, and hold a rally where he tells his supporters "The real fight starts now".

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  • BogartBogart Newsflash, fuckwads: I'm a good person. Registered User regular
    edited March 20
    Government have now confirmed it.

    From Christine Shawcroft's (Momentum director) interview this morning:
    Shawcroft confirms that Momentum wants to change Labour rules to stop a leadership candidate requiring the support of 15% of MPs and MEPs.

    Corbyn will stay firmly put until this is in place. She also, hilariously, calls Tom Watson 'rightwing' and Blairite'.

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  • Crimson KingCrimson King Registered User regular
    the corbyn/momentum situation is especially depressing because a strong socialist movement driven by young people ought to be a good thing for britain. it's exactly what everyone has been saying we need for years. but all the energy is getting wasted on some guy who isn't going to be pm ever

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  • altidaltid Registered User regular
    It'll be interesting to see what happens to sterling after that announcement. It's also typical of the utter incompetence and mismanagement that categorizes this government that they're pressing ahead with it simply to meet a deadline May likely pulled out of her ass rather than any appreciation of how ready the country actually is.

    I'd expect that Europe will be able to give the broad strokes of any possible deal within a week of the announcement, and it won't be the fantasy land deal the brexiteers think the EU is desperate to give us. In contrast I expect the UK to fumble around negotiations by making laughably unrealistic demands and with no clear sense of direction or control. Of course if they don't give us what we want, we'll threaten to shoot ourselves in the foot and bomb out with no deal at all. Take that EU!

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