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    OrcaOrca Also known as Espressosaurus WrexRegistered User regular
    I bring copies of my resume, and I'm not sure if I've ever needed it, but I'll scribble notes down on it. Sometimes I bring the paper and a pen to scribble notes down too.

    Preparation!

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    OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    I think I may have accidentally found out I'll be getting a promotion before the end of the fiscal year (before October) which would be 10% and the 2.5% COLA (12.75% total)

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    PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Yeah ZestRegistered User regular
    The only thing I bring with me to interviews is my jelqing rig, so I can elucidate my interviewer on the one true path to growth.

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    sarukunsarukun RIESLING OCEANRegistered User regular
    I bring all that stuff to interviews so I can feel comfortable that nothing will be missing if I need it, but I can’t imagine I would even notice whether a candidate I was interviewing happened to have them.

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    TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    If you're interviewing for an ER or paramedic position don't ever bring a note pad. You want to look like you fit in, so instead write all your notes on a dirty glove, then accidentally throw that glove into the trash. When you need the notes dig it out of the trash and read if front of the panel. They will be impressed.

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    JedocJedoc In the scuppers with the staggers and jagsRegistered User regular
    Man, I've never had a job interview where my resume was a factor. I got my first library job ten years ago, and all my career progress since then has been via internal promotions.

    When I was trying to break into the library world, I might as well have just handed around fortune cookie slips with the date I earned my gatekeeping professional degree. Nobody cared about my retail jobs or freelancing side hustles, and maybe the fact that I graduated in 2008 would earn me some pity points.

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    see317see317 Registered User regular
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    The only thing I bring with me to interviews is my jelqing rig, so I can elucidate my interviewer on the one true path to growth.

    "Where do I see myself in five years? Well, as you can see from this chart..."

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    Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    see317 wrote: »
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    The only thing I bring with me to interviews is my jelqing rig, so I can elucidate my interviewer on the one true path to growth.

    "Where do I see myself in five years? Well, as you can see from this chart..."

    aaaand now that's in my google search history, thanks. 🙄

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    DepressperadoDepressperado I just wanted to see you laughing in the pizza rainRegistered User regular
    edited April 2021
    one time I was at a walk-in job interview and they asked me what kind of things I take a moral stand with and how I feel about like, derogatory language and stuff

    and I was like "oh this is a pretty good question" and I answered genuinely and at the end of the interview he told me I wouldn't be getting hired and I was like "that's cool."

    my friend DID get hired and quit because the boss was incredibly racist and sexist and cruel and I was like "oh they didn't want to see if I was a 'good' person they wanted to make sure I'd be okay with their toxicity."

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    DepressperadoDepressperado I just wanted to see you laughing in the pizza rainRegistered User regular
    they were having walk-in interviews because the boss/owner was such a tremendous shitbag that the turnover rate beat out McDonald's and he needed fresh meat

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    JedocJedoc In the scuppers with the staggers and jagsRegistered User regular
    see317 wrote: »
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    The only thing I bring with me to interviews is my jelqing rig, so I can elucidate my interviewer on the one true path to growth.

    "Where do I see myself in five years? Well, as you can see from this chart..."

    aaaand now that's in my google search history, thanks. 🙄

    Listen, I don't need this sort of moralistic hand-wringing about what things I wring in the privacy of my own home.

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    Virgil_Leads_YouVirgil_Leads_You Proud Father House GardenerRegistered User regular
    TheStig wrote: »
    If you're interviewing for an ER or paramedic position don't ever bring a note pad. You want to look like you fit in, so instead write all your notes on a dirty glove, then accidentally throw that glove into the trash. When you need the notes dig it out of the trash and read if front of the panel. They will be impressed.

    I feel so seen

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    see317see317 Registered User regular
    Jedoc wrote: »
    see317 wrote: »
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    The only thing I bring with me to interviews is my jelqing rig, so I can elucidate my interviewer on the one true path to growth.

    "Where do I see myself in five years? Well, as you can see from this chart..."

    aaaand now that's in my google search history, thanks. 🙄

    Listen, I don't need this sort of moralistic hand-wringing about what things I wring in the privacy of my own home.

    The hand-wringing was never the problem.

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    MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    Butler wrote: »
    If you need to wear a suit to an interview and don't own one, why not kill two birds with one stone by making a suit out of copies of your resume. This will demonstrate preparedness, resourcefulness, and a high pain tolerance for paper cuts.

    I'll sweat through that just like a regular suit. The results will be substantially less legal.

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    JedocJedoc In the scuppers with the staggers and jagsRegistered User regular
    Then use tabloid, jeez, I can't believe we have to hold your hand through all of this.

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    PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Yeah ZestRegistered User regular
    Jedoc wrote: »
    Then use tabloid, jeez, I can't believe we have to hold your hand through all of this.

    How can you not believe that, what with all the jelqing?

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    InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    edited April 2021
    Talked to my friend about him transitioning into IT.

    He didn’t have a super solid gameplan other than get an A+ cert and try to get his foot in the door somewhere. I gave him pointers and a book for that.

    He has management experience and I asked if he was interesting in doing management in the tech sector. And he seemed keen on that.

    I have less experience in that area though as like, I reallllyyy don’t want to manage people. Any folks here experienced what there is on that front?

    I know there is like, Project+, ITIL, CAPM and then like, Agile/Scrum certs. But I don’t really know how much weight if any these things carry.

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    BucketmanBucketman Call me SkraggRegistered User regular
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Talked to my friend about him transitioning into IT.

    He didn’t have a super solid gameplan other than get an A+ cert and try to get his foot in the door somewhere. I gave him pointers and a book for that.

    He has management experience and I asked if he was interesting in doing management in the tech sector. And he seemed keen on that.

    I have less experience in that area though as like, I reallllyyyu don’t want to manage people. Any folks here experienced what there is on that front?

    I know there is like, Project+, ITIL, CAPM and then like, Agile/Scrum certs. But I don’t really know how much weight if any these things carry.

    I am currently trying to transition into this myself. Though its specifically for Security stuff so I'm looking at the CISSP after getting my Security+ and CCNA Net Ops certs.

    Its weird because no one in my department, even my former boss or his boss, have any certs and simply by getting those I can improve my chances at a promotion.

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    ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Talked to my friend about him transitioning into IT.

    He didn’t have a super solid gameplan other than get an A+ cert and try to get his foot in the door somewhere. I gave him pointers and a book for that.

    He has management experience and I asked if he was interesting in doing management in the tech sector. And he seemed keen on that.

    I have less experience in that area though as like, I reallllyyyu don’t want to manage people. Any folks here experienced what there is on that front?

    I know there is like, Project+, ITIL, CAPM and then like, Agile/Scrum certs. But I don’t really know how much weight if any these things carry.

    I'd love to get into something more ITish? I've read that geek squad time looks good to help desk type positions, but so far haven't had any success. But I haven't been going at it too long so far so I'm not beating myself up yet.

    And doing so half-heartedly since any time without medical benefits is just not possible. And changing schedules is bad.

    Ugh... Work sucks.

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    InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    edited April 2021
    Bucketman wrote: »
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Talked to my friend about him transitioning into IT.

    He didn’t have a super solid gameplan other than get an A+ cert and try to get his foot in the door somewhere. I gave him pointers and a book for that.

    He has management experience and I asked if he was interesting in doing management in the tech sector. And he seemed keen on that.

    I have less experience in that area though as like, I reallllyyyu don’t want to manage people. Any folks here experienced what there is on that front?

    I know there is like, Project+, ITIL, CAPM and then like, Agile/Scrum certs. But I don’t really know how much weight if any these things carry.

    I am currently trying to transition into this myself. Though its specifically for Security stuff so I'm looking at the CISSP after getting my Security+ and CCNA Net Ops certs.

    Its weird because no one in my department, even my former boss or his boss, have any certs and simply by getting those I can improve my chances at a promotion.

    I work in security, kind of. It's like, amped up help desk that works strictly with AWS Security services. Anyway, I've got my Sec+ (and also CySA+) so please feel free to DM me any time if you have any questions about them. I'd love to get CCNA Net Ops in the future.

    One thing to note with the CISSP is while it is a very well regarded certification and you can study for, take, and pass the CISSP at any time, you are not allowed to put it your resume or anything according to the governing body for that exam (ISC2) until you have 5 years of work experience. Or 4 years + a college degree or one of a variety of security certs (including Sec+). But no matter how many certs and degrees you have, 4 years of security work experience is the minimum. Until you hit that work experience, if you have passed the exam you can only put that you a an "Associate of ISC2" on a resume. If you are looking at breaking into the security field, you may consider getting the SSCP which is also by ISC2. It requires 1 year of security work experience or a CS related/adjacent degree to get the cert and not just be an associate. (But hey, you might already have the years of experience in which case go for the CISSP for sure!)

    ISC2 is a bit annoying as, now that I have the SSCP I have to pay a yearly fee and earn CPEs but, their certs do carry a lot of clout so, it's the game we gotta play. But yeah, please feel free to pick my brain about cert stuff any time! I have way too many (like... 12? WGU made me get a lot to graduate.)

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    InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Talked to my friend about him transitioning into IT.

    He didn’t have a super solid gameplan other than get an A+ cert and try to get his foot in the door somewhere. I gave him pointers and a book for that.

    He has management experience and I asked if he was interesting in doing management in the tech sector. And he seemed keen on that.

    I have less experience in that area though as like, I reallllyyyu don’t want to manage people. Any folks here experienced what there is on that front?

    I know there is like, Project+, ITIL, CAPM and then like, Agile/Scrum certs. But I don’t really know how much weight if any these things carry.

    I'd love to get into something more ITish? I've read that geek squad time looks good to help desk type positions, but so far haven't had any success. But I haven't been going at it too long so far so I'm not beating myself up yet.

    And doing so half-heartedly since any time without medical benefits is just not possible. And changing schedules is bad.

    Ugh... Work sucks.

    Oh hey, just saw your post too! Please feel free to DM me or ask me in the thread questions any time about getting into more ITish stuff. There are some great free/cheap resources you can start chipping away at, even if it's like like 15-30 minutes a day, depending on what you are interested in.

    I'm not super familiar with the particulars of geek squad, but, all I know is that getting my foot in at a frankly pretty slipshod IT help desk job opened a lot of doors to me, because future employers just saw "two years of IT experience" not "two years of IT experience at a place that was held together by duct tape, prayers and human misery"

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    BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    I really hate how they are trying to inspire people to work harder than they do with statements of "they are paying you more work harder they expect it"
    It is a total shit show at work since they started to pay us more as they let fester a lackadaisical attitude and now are using vague threats to encourage people to step up their game

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Brainleech wrote: »
    I really hate how they are trying to inspire people to work harder than they do with statements of "they are paying you more work harder they expect it"
    It is a total shit show at work since they started to pay us more as they let fester a lackadaisical attitude and now are using vague threats to encourage people to step up their game

    You're already providing them with more labor than you are being fairly compensated for, so I'm not sure what your complaint is about, specifically.

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    BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Brainleech wrote: »
    I really hate how they are trying to inspire people to work harder than they do with statements of "they are paying you more work harder they expect it"
    It is a total shit show at work since they started to pay us more as they let fester a lackadaisical attitude and now are using vague threats to encourage people to step up their game

    You're already providing them with more labor than you are being fairly compensated for, so I'm not sure what your complaint is about, specifically.

    It's their vain attempts to encourage other people to work harder

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    ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    For me bringing a resume copy is more about insurance/perk.

    Like, yeah a good hiring manager (what are thooooose) won't ding you for not having a copy.

    But if they screwed up or forgot or whatever and don't have a copy, and you whip it out and slap it on the table (giggity) that's the kind of psychological bs that gets people hired, because it sticks out.

    It's like the job interview equivalent of negging.

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    ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Talked to my friend about him transitioning into IT.

    He didn’t have a super solid gameplan other than get an A+ cert and try to get his foot in the door somewhere. I gave him pointers and a book for that.

    He has management experience and I asked if he was interesting in doing management in the tech sector. And he seemed keen on that.

    I have less experience in that area though as like, I reallllyyyu don’t want to manage people. Any folks here experienced what there is on that front?

    I know there is like, Project+, ITIL, CAPM and then like, Agile/Scrum certs. But I don’t really know how much weight if any these things carry.

    I'd love to get into something more ITish? I've read that geek squad time looks good to help desk type positions, but so far haven't had any success. But I haven't been going at it too long so far so I'm not beating myself up yet.

    And doing so half-heartedly since any time without medical benefits is just not possible. And changing schedules is bad.

    Ugh... Work sucks.

    Oh hey, just saw your post too! Please feel free to DM me or ask me in the thread questions any time about getting into more ITish stuff. There are some great free/cheap resources you can start chipping away at, even if it's like like 15-30 minutes a day, depending on what you are interested in.

    I'm not super familiar with the particulars of geek squad, but, all I know is that getting my foot in at a frankly pretty slipshod IT help desk job opened a lot of doors to me, because future employers just saw "two years of IT experience" not "two years of IT experience at a place that was held together by duct tape, prayers and human misery"

    I'm an in home agent, so I go to people's homes to build basic networks, fix computers (software mostly, no soldering), mount TVs, install stereo systems.. I wear a bunch of hats. But I see the direction the company is moving and how they're wanting to practically turn us into gig workers and I want no part of it.

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    ChicoBlueChicoBlue Registered User regular
    I once brought a pen, notepad and copy of my resume to a job interview and I was ejected immediately.

    The position I was applying for was Senior Memory Specialist.

    I'll never forget the look they gave me.

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    SorceSorce Not ThereRegistered User regular
    see317 wrote: »
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    The only thing I bring with me to interviews is my jelqing rig, so I can elucidate my interviewer on the one true path to growth.

    "Where do I see myself in five years? Well, as you can see from this chart..."

    aaaand now that's in my google search history, thanks. 🙄
    Questionable google searches? Incognito Mode.

    Sure, your ISP will still know, but it won't be on your computer.

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    lonelyahavalonelyahava Call me Ahava ~~She/Her~~ Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    I usually bring a notebook and pen into any meeting, not just an interview.

    But that is mostly because I need something in my hands to curb the anxiety and bringing knitting isn't usually looked well upon.

    Yet another bonus of working from home. I can knit in meetings.

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    schussschuss Registered User regular
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Talked to my friend about him transitioning into IT.

    He didn’t have a super solid gameplan other than get an A+ cert and try to get his foot in the door somewhere. I gave him pointers and a book for that.

    He has management experience and I asked if he was interesting in doing management in the tech sector. And he seemed keen on that.

    I have less experience in that area though as like, I reallllyyy don’t want to manage people. Any folks here experienced what there is on that front?

    I know there is like, Project+, ITIL, CAPM and then like, Agile/Scrum certs. But I don’t really know how much weight if any these things carry.

    "Management" breaks out into a few categories:
    1. Project management/scrum mastering - PMs are ubiquitous in waterfall shops and still often found in agile orgs in more program management capacity. PM is CAPM or, even better PMP. Best for people who LOVE organizing (like, I have a Gantt chart for vacation level). Scrum Master is the agile implementation, which in practice is a lot more cat herding and quantitative analysis of workflow. CSM is useful, but note it's still a work in progress at the industry level in terms of job role.
    2. Technical management - as a non dev, not a good fit as ideally it's a former dev that loves mentoring.
    3. Incident management - a specialized role in large companies for managing major technical incidents(outages etc.). If your buddy is calm in the face of chaos and stress, it could be good.

    Also help desk management and other roles, but many are limited to internal candidates due to culture/niche fit

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    WeaverWeaver Who are you? What do you want?Registered User regular
    A part on our compactor is dying or something so every few minutes all morning it would make my entire office vibrate.

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    Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo We are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourse Registered User regular
    schuss wrote: »
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Talked to my friend about him transitioning into IT.

    He didn’t have a super solid gameplan other than get an A+ cert and try to get his foot in the door somewhere. I gave him pointers and a book for that.

    He has management experience and I asked if he was interesting in doing management in the tech sector. And he seemed keen on that.

    I have less experience in that area though as like, I reallllyyy don’t want to manage people. Any folks here experienced what there is on that front?

    I know there is like, Project+, ITIL, CAPM and then like, Agile/Scrum certs. But I don’t really know how much weight if any these things carry.

    "Management" breaks out into a few categories:
    1. Project management/scrum mastering - PMs are ubiquitous in waterfall shops and still often found in agile orgs in more program management capacity. PM is CAPM or, even better PMP. Best for people who LOVE organizing (like, I have a Gantt chart for vacation level). Scrum Master is the agile implementation, which in practice is a lot more cat herding and quantitative analysis of workflow. CSM is useful, but note it's still a work in progress at the industry level in terms of job role.
    2. Technical management - as a non dev, not a good fit as ideally it's a former dev that loves mentoring.
    3. Incident management - a specialized role in large companies for managing major technical incidents(outages etc.). If your buddy is calm in the face of chaos and stress, it could be good.

    Also help desk management and other roles, but many are limited to internal candidates due to culture/niche fit

    I'm looking to move into the category where I have a selection of brandies in decanters and need to take very long lunches at very fancy places

    Homogeneous distribution of your varieties of amuse-gueule
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    TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    schuss wrote: »
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Talked to my friend about him transitioning into IT.

    He didn’t have a super solid gameplan other than get an A+ cert and try to get his foot in the door somewhere. I gave him pointers and a book for that.

    He has management experience and I asked if he was interesting in doing management in the tech sector. And he seemed keen on that.

    I have less experience in that area though as like, I reallllyyy don’t want to manage people. Any folks here experienced what there is on that front?

    I know there is like, Project+, ITIL, CAPM and then like, Agile/Scrum certs. But I don’t really know how much weight if any these things carry.

    "Management" breaks out into a few categories:
    1. Project management/scrum mastering - PMs are ubiquitous in waterfall shops and still often found in agile orgs in more program management capacity. PM is CAPM or, even better PMP. Best for people who LOVE organizing (like, I have a Gantt chart for vacation level). Scrum Master is the agile implementation, which in practice is a lot more cat herding and quantitative analysis of workflow. CSM is useful, but note it's still a work in progress at the industry level in terms of job role.
    2. Technical management - as a non dev, not a good fit as ideally it's a former dev that loves mentoring.
    3. Incident management - a specialized role in large companies for managing major technical incidents(outages etc.). If your buddy is calm in the face of chaos and stress, it could be good.

    Also help desk management and other roles, but many are limited to internal candidates due to culture/niche fit

    Excuse me

    Scrum master is a real term people use in professional settings without giggling?

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    OrcaOrca Also known as Espressosaurus WrexRegistered User regular
    TheStig wrote: »
    schuss wrote: »
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Talked to my friend about him transitioning into IT.

    He didn’t have a super solid gameplan other than get an A+ cert and try to get his foot in the door somewhere. I gave him pointers and a book for that.

    He has management experience and I asked if he was interesting in doing management in the tech sector. And he seemed keen on that.

    I have less experience in that area though as like, I reallllyyy don’t want to manage people. Any folks here experienced what there is on that front?

    I know there is like, Project+, ITIL, CAPM and then like, Agile/Scrum certs. But I don’t really know how much weight if any these things carry.

    "Management" breaks out into a few categories:
    1. Project management/scrum mastering - PMs are ubiquitous in waterfall shops and still often found in agile orgs in more program management capacity. PM is CAPM or, even better PMP. Best for people who LOVE organizing (like, I have a Gantt chart for vacation level). Scrum Master is the agile implementation, which in practice is a lot more cat herding and quantitative analysis of workflow. CSM is useful, but note it's still a work in progress at the industry level in terms of job role.
    2. Technical management - as a non dev, not a good fit as ideally it's a former dev that loves mentoring.
    3. Incident management - a specialized role in large companies for managing major technical incidents(outages etc.). If your buddy is calm in the face of chaos and stress, it could be good.

    Also help desk management and other roles, but many are limited to internal candidates due to culture/niche fit

    Excuse me

    Scrum master is a real term people use in professional settings without giggling?

    That's the litmus test for if you've drunk the koolaid.

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    FlarneFlarne Registered User regular
    Orca wrote: »
    TheStig wrote: »
    schuss wrote: »
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Talked to my friend about him transitioning into IT.

    He didn’t have a super solid gameplan other than get an A+ cert and try to get his foot in the door somewhere. I gave him pointers and a book for that.

    He has management experience and I asked if he was interesting in doing management in the tech sector. And he seemed keen on that.

    I have less experience in that area though as like, I reallllyyy don’t want to manage people. Any folks here experienced what there is on that front?

    I know there is like, Project+, ITIL, CAPM and then like, Agile/Scrum certs. But I don’t really know how much weight if any these things carry.

    "Management" breaks out into a few categories:
    1. Project management/scrum mastering - PMs are ubiquitous in waterfall shops and still often found in agile orgs in more program management capacity. PM is CAPM or, even better PMP. Best for people who LOVE organizing (like, I have a Gantt chart for vacation level). Scrum Master is the agile implementation, which in practice is a lot more cat herding and quantitative analysis of workflow. CSM is useful, but note it's still a work in progress at the industry level in terms of job role.
    2. Technical management - as a non dev, not a good fit as ideally it's a former dev that loves mentoring.
    3. Incident management - a specialized role in large companies for managing major technical incidents(outages etc.). If your buddy is calm in the face of chaos and stress, it could be good.

    Also help desk management and other roles, but many are limited to internal candidates due to culture/niche fit

    Excuse me

    Scrum master is a real term people use in professional settings without giggling?

    That's the litmus test for if you've drunk the koolaid.

    One of my wife’s closest friends is a scrum master.

    I laughed when he told me and he has apparently been pissed at me since then. That was over a year ago.

    I thought that even if you work with it you understand that it’s a very funny title.

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    Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    Master the scrum or it will master you.

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    TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    Master the scrum or it will master you.

    I've been trying to get my wife to master my scrum without success.

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    MrMonroeMrMonroe passed out on the floor nowRegistered User regular
    Flarne wrote: »
    Orca wrote: »
    TheStig wrote: »
    schuss wrote: »
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Talked to my friend about him transitioning into IT.

    He didn’t have a super solid gameplan other than get an A+ cert and try to get his foot in the door somewhere. I gave him pointers and a book for that.

    He has management experience and I asked if he was interesting in doing management in the tech sector. And he seemed keen on that.

    I have less experience in that area though as like, I reallllyyy don’t want to manage people. Any folks here experienced what there is on that front?

    I know there is like, Project+, ITIL, CAPM and then like, Agile/Scrum certs. But I don’t really know how much weight if any these things carry.

    "Management" breaks out into a few categories:
    1. Project management/scrum mastering - PMs are ubiquitous in waterfall shops and still often found in agile orgs in more program management capacity. PM is CAPM or, even better PMP. Best for people who LOVE organizing (like, I have a Gantt chart for vacation level). Scrum Master is the agile implementation, which in practice is a lot more cat herding and quantitative analysis of workflow. CSM is useful, but note it's still a work in progress at the industry level in terms of job role.
    2. Technical management - as a non dev, not a good fit as ideally it's a former dev that loves mentoring.
    3. Incident management - a specialized role in large companies for managing major technical incidents(outages etc.). If your buddy is calm in the face of chaos and stress, it could be good.

    Also help desk management and other roles, but many are limited to internal candidates due to culture/niche fit

    Excuse me

    Scrum master is a real term people use in professional settings without giggling?

    That's the litmus test for if you've drunk the koolaid.

    One of my wife’s closest friends is a scrum master.

    I laughed when he told me and he has apparently been pissed at me since then. That was over a year ago.

    I thought that even if you work with it you understand that it’s a very funny title.

    I think there's some folks with some insecurities about it since it's uh... not a strictly necessary component of a good agile practice and they can be entirely useless if there's already a good technical product manager on the team. I have worked with only a few SMs and every time it's been like... we should be spending this money on another developer.

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    OrcaOrca Also known as Espressosaurus WrexRegistered User regular
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    Flarne wrote: »
    Orca wrote: »
    TheStig wrote: »
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    Talked to my friend about him transitioning into IT.

    He didn’t have a super solid gameplan other than get an A+ cert and try to get his foot in the door somewhere. I gave him pointers and a book for that.

    He has management experience and I asked if he was interesting in doing management in the tech sector. And he seemed keen on that.

    I have less experience in that area though as like, I reallllyyy don’t want to manage people. Any folks here experienced what there is on that front?

    I know there is like, Project+, ITIL, CAPM and then like, Agile/Scrum certs. But I don’t really know how much weight if any these things carry.

    "Management" breaks out into a few categories:
    1. Project management/scrum mastering - PMs are ubiquitous in waterfall shops and still often found in agile orgs in more program management capacity. PM is CAPM or, even better PMP. Best for people who LOVE organizing (like, I have a Gantt chart for vacation level). Scrum Master is the agile implementation, which in practice is a lot more cat herding and quantitative analysis of workflow. CSM is useful, but note it's still a work in progress at the industry level in terms of job role.
    2. Technical management - as a non dev, not a good fit as ideally it's a former dev that loves mentoring.
    3. Incident management - a specialized role in large companies for managing major technical incidents(outages etc.). If your buddy is calm in the face of chaos and stress, it could be good.

    Also help desk management and other roles, but many are limited to internal candidates due to culture/niche fit

    Excuse me

    Scrum master is a real term people use in professional settings without giggling?

    That's the litmus test for if you've drunk the koolaid.

    One of my wife’s closest friends is a scrum master.

    I laughed when he told me and he has apparently been pissed at me since then. That was over a year ago.

    I thought that even if you work with it you understand that it’s a very funny title.

    I think there's some folks with some insecurities about it since it's uh... not a strictly necessary component of a good agile practice and they can be entirely useless if there's already a good technical product manager on the team. I have worked with only a few SMs and every time it's been like... we should be spending this money on another developer.

    Video of a scrum master being interviewed:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNuu9CpdjIo

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    MadpoetMadpoet Registered User regular
    edited April 2021
    I like to call them the scrumhalf instead, then introduce more rugby terms over time. "Okay, this ruck we've got several knock-ons. Let's form a maul to get this try touched down, then we can find a hooker."

    Madpoet on
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