The Epic Apple fight

Elaro

So.

Epic Games, the makers of Fortnite, wanted special permissions for it on Apple devices so that kids gamers could buy their virtual currency quicker buy their virtual currency quicker, but Apple was all "nah".

So Epic is suing them!

During the battle, rebel spies escaped with the plans to the DEATH STAR (Sorry, bad reflex) court proceedings, which are not over with, Epic had the court reveal, among other things: Valve's 2018-ish? financial reports, some of Microsoft's plan for the future, the facts that Sony really hates cross-play, the secret plan to the DEATH STAR, Nintendo won't work with the Yakuza, and other juicy tidbits.

I hear they're debating the definition of video games on May 4th!

Anyway, please discuss all matters relating to the Big Epic Apple Outdoor Fight, and please post tweets and links to articles, so I can add them to the OP.

Hacksaw

They both suck. Let them fight.

Polaritie

I think you're misrepresenting Epic's case a bit there, but I agree with the "let them fight" stance... mostly.

I'm all for the courts putting a door in Apple's walled garden. The lockdown they pull on their devices is ridiculous.

Poorochondriac

I don't care for Apple

Or for apples

I don't care for Epic

But I don't mind epics

Undead Scottsman

Polaritie wrote: »

I think you're misrepresenting Epic's case a bit there, but I agree with the "let them fight" stance... mostly.

I'm all for the courts putting a door in Apple's walled garden. The lockdown they pull on their devices is ridiculous.

it came out during the trial that Epic was soliciting a special deal between them and Apple. Their whole "crusade for the industry" is horseshit; they're just looking for more money.

agoaj

If Apple wins, nothing changes except strengthening their control over iOS devices.
If Epic wins, you'll be able to do more with your iDevices without jailbreaking them. Apple's store would have to compete, they'd probably lower their fees and developers would make more money. Maybe that game you liked that didn't quite make the sales it needed would be able to make a sequel now.

More people stand to benefit if Epic wins, even if they don't care about forkknife.

PiptheFair

Polaritie wrote: »

I think you're misrepresenting Epic's case a bit there, but I agree with the "let them fight" stance... mostly.

I'm all for the courts putting a door in Apple's walled garden. The lockdown they pull on their devices is ridiculous.

epic is wildly hypocritical in their stance here and tim sweeney just wanted to fish for a judge that doesn't understand technology

but also? fuck apple

the funniest outcome would be the judge somehow bulldozing the walled garden but also compelling independent entities to offer in app purchases in fortnite

also if tim sweeneys dick fell off and he slipped on it

Polaritie

Undead Scottsman wrote: »

Polaritie wrote: »

I think you're misrepresenting Epic's case a bit there, but I agree with the "let them fight" stance... mostly.

I'm all for the courts putting a door in Apple's walled garden. The lockdown they pull on their devices is ridiculous.

it came out during the trial that Epic was soliciting a special deal between them and Apple. Their whole "crusade for the industry" is horseshit; they're just looking for more money.

Oh, I knew it was about money, I just didn't realize they'd actually done that. Though while it looks bad it shouldn't impact their core case (emphasis shouldn't, because...)

Bedlam

I could definitely kick an apple's ass.

PiptheFair

basically this shit is very funny to me and I hope they both somehow fucking lose

Kevin Crist

https://twitter.com/duckvalentine/status/1389664213820444672

Rebekah Valentine
@duckvalentine
Replying to
@duckvalentine
since you're here, I wrote a thing about how stupidly secret the games industry is and how the courts weren't prepared for apparently ten or so third-parties descending on them to redact their secrets from evidence:
https://www.ign.com/articles/epic-vs-apple-shows-the-courts-were-not-prepared-for-the-games-industrys-obsessive-secrecy

Rebekah Valentine is a reporter for IGN

https://twitter.com/headfallsoff/status/1389712647554277382

yuuko from nichijou
@headfallsoff
Replying to
@headfallsoff
an exasperated judge who's never read video game news being like i'm TRYING to do my job and now fifty different nerds have called me up and said i'm "leaking" their product annoucement. which is not related to my job and i dont care shut up

agoaj

https://twitter.com/lmichet/status/1389716786925297665

The judge is currently struggling to get Sweeney to, I guess, define the parameters of what Fortnite is. She just asked him, "How would you define a 'game'?"

The judge startles as enormous spikes begin to emerge from the earth. A deep voice intones, "This message is a warning about danger. The danger is in a particular location... it increases towards a center... the center of danger is here..."

Now that we can finally nail down what a game is next the judge can verify if it is art or not.

Gvzbgul

Where are the Kong and Godzilla photoshoots?

Bendery It Like Beckham

So I seriously slept on Willow Smith; It's been a minute since she whipped her hair back and forth.
Recently she came back in to my music sphere with this one;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG9KzyVO638

And I've listened to it a few times, and can say it's not exactly my speed of music anymore, but I really like the experimentation phase she is in and look forward to seeing where she goes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=catZPB_xrts

She's done a lot to distinguish herself from her father in the last few years and I respect that.

Peewi

agoaj wrote: »

If Apple wins, nothing changes except strengthening their control over iOS devices.
If Epic wins, you'll be able to do more with your iDevices without jailbreaking them. Apple's store would have to compete, they'd probably lower their fees and developers would make more money. Maybe that game you liked that didn't quite make the sales it needed would be able to make a sequel now.

More people stand to benefit if Epic wins, even if they don't care about forkknife.

You think there's a chance of them being forced to allow non-appstore app installations on iOS?

Of the people that have installed Android apps not from Google Play, I wonder how many it was just to get Fortnite.

Maddoc

I've sideloaded a handful of apps on Android, personally

agoaj

Peewi wrote: »

agoaj wrote: »

If Apple wins, nothing changes except strengthening their control over iOS devices.
If Epic wins, you'll be able to do more with your iDevices without jailbreaking them. Apple's store would have to compete, they'd probably lower their fees and developers would make more money. Maybe that game you liked that didn't quite make the sales it needed would be able to make a sequel now.

More people stand to benefit if Epic wins, even if they don't care about forkknife.

You think there's a chance of them being forced to allow non-appstore app installations on iOS?

Of the people that have installed Android apps not from Google Play, I wonder how many it was just to get Fortnite.

I think part of their challenge is that the warning messages you get for sideloading apps on android is anti-competitive too. Don't know if they'll get any traction with that, but if they prove that Apple's walled garden counts as a monopoly Apple would have to open another method for installing apps(probably as complicated as they can get away with).

Xaquin

apple core

Tonkka

Baltimore.

Xaquin

who's your friend?

Tonkka

Hacksaw!

Xaquin

@Hacksaw

Hacksaw

Bob Loblaw

Xaquin

seriously though I thought this thread was going to be about hucking apples at people and I am extremely disappointed

Usagi

Soup for my family

Bendery It Like Beckham

Also I'm loving Dorian Electra clowning on the pop scene lately;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcYodQoapMg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxw_hynAees

Al_wat

I remember in highschool my friend smushed up an apple but managed to do it without breaking the skin at all, then he took the apple and hucked up a high wall in our cafeteria and apple guts just rained down on people

dick move but it was pretty funny

Elaro

Xaquin wrote: »

seriously though I thought this thread was going to be about hucking apples at people and I am extremely disappointed

Ha ha! You fell for my word trap!

...

Suddenly I am realizing that disappointing people might not be a good thing.

Mysst

once my friends hosted an apple tasting party and I'm gonna be honest, most apples taste the same

Tonkka

A what party.

How is that a party.

Are your friends 8,000 years old.

DarkPrimus

This fight doesn't sound very epic to me. 😏

Mysst

Tonkka wrote: »

A what party.

How is that a party.

Are your friends 8,000 years old.

my friend is sometimes quirky in a way that suggests she was raised on an estate by 'the help'

Pinfeldorf

Hacksaw wrote: »

Bob Loblaw

And his Law blog?!

KalTorak

Al_wat wrote: »

I remember in highschool my friend smushed up an apple but managed to do it without breaking the skin at all, then he took the apple and hucked up a high wall in our cafeteria and apple guts just rained down on people

dick move but it was pretty funny

sounds like a Macintosh

mushy fucks

Jars

the apple and the company machintosh are both bad

DJ Eebs

apples are a top tier fruit. have you all ever had applesauce bread, it's fucking terrific

Maddoc

I'd go to an apple tasting party

Magell

Honeycrisp apples are delicious and as good as they were engineered to be. Fuji apples are a great choice when you want to save money.

H0b0man

I still have no idea why stores stock so much red delicious. Who is buying them? They are F-tier apples.

Captain Inertia

Xaquin wrote: »

seriously though I thought this thread was going to be about hucking apples at people and I am extremely disappointed

I mean why can’t it be this

Jars

they are cheap and the name fools people