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    HavelockHavelock Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Zzulu wrote: »
    yeah the whole Oblivion way of paying 5 dollars to get horse armor is stupid

    But actually getting real content for a microtransaction could be neat. Of course, if they go with microtransactions I'd expect that the game would be cheaper overall, like no monthly fee or whatever. Having both forms of payment returns us to stupid territory.

    I liked Oblivion, but I hated it when they pulled that horse armor/spell book shit. That stuff should have been provided in the game from release.

    As far as TOR goes, I think they'll stick with the monthly sub. Why re-invent the wheel?

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    Agent CooperAgent Cooper Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    As I understand it, everybody hosts the GW World. It's spread out on the players' computers.

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    InfidelInfidel Heretic Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Subscription: everyone pays to play, is given the same resources as everyone else and you know it.

    Microtransactions: pony up or you won't be shiny like the players that spend in spiraling amounts.

    Some people can easily spend more per month in bits if they are not careful, and the whole concept leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

    Insert the comic where the one dude is blinged out and the other has a wooden sword etc.

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    BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Showing my brother the movie this morning and discussing what classes there might be he asked if like the knights games would you be able to go from Bounty Hunter to Sith?


    I really do hope it's just a monthly fee and not pay $5 for a jet pack and $10 for this set of armour

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    Grid SystemGrid System Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Can you highlight the difference, from a business expenditure/survival perspective, between Guild Wars and an MMO?
    This does not mean, "Assuming Guild Wars is not an MMO, describe its business model, and then describe the business model of something that is an MMO."

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    Zetetic ElenchZetetic Elench Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Sorry if I wasn't clear there; I meant to ask what the structural difference between Guild Wars and an MMO is, that means Guild Wars can survive purely on unit and expansion pack purchases where, say, Age of Conan couldn't.

    Basically, is Guild Wars fuckloads cheaper to run and if so, why?

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    MgcwMgcw Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Basically, is Guild Wars fuckloads cheaper to run and if so, why?
    Guild Wars doesn't have servers. That's why there's no monthly fee.

    Same reason Diablo 2 doesn't have a monthly fee.

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    Zetetic ElenchZetetic Elench Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    On a side note: I do agree, though, and I didn't used to, that Guild Wars isn't really an MMO.

    Or to be more specific, I think that the word MMO is sometimes used as a genre label, and sometimes used as a design ideal which some games come closer to than others. These are really two separate things.

    EVE, for example, probably comes closest to the ideal of an MMO in its persistence and player-driven-ness, whereas Guild Wars is only a few notches away from your standard multiplayer dungeon-raid RPG. That's not a bad thing at all, it's just not going for the same ideal.

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    hdentonhdenton Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Yes GW is a ton cheaper to run because it doesn't need to have a bunch of expensive servers that constanly require some sort of upkeep. The only servers they have are just the hubs all the instanced stuff is run from the users computer.

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    Zetetic ElenchZetetic Elench Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Ah. There we go then.

    Fuck, now I feel bad for derailing our new thread.

    Somebody make some lightsaber noises.

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    JustinSane07JustinSane07 Really, stupid? Brockton__BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2009
    I'll do you one better.

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    That's going back almost 9 years.

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    And there's your noises.

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    Mild ConfusionMild Confusion Smash All Things Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Here is my image of bad micro-transaction:
    What's that Jedi Jimmy? You are not as powerful in the force as the other Jedi? That's because you haven't yet purchased your talent points yet! Your Jedi can have up to 50 talent points and each one only costs 5 cents! What was that Jedi Jimmy? You messed up you talent? Well no worries there young padawan! You can respec for the low cost of 99 cents!

    /shivver


    On the subject of what makes an MMO an MMO, I will go back to when I first discovered the genre. Someone told me of a computer rpg (Asherons Call) that had a persostant world where I could meet other people and interact with them. That idea is what always stuck with me as an MMO. I enjoy the idea that I can be questing in Elwyn Forest, killing murlocks, and in the distance, I can see some other player killing bears. I don't HAVE to interact with them, but I can if I choose to. Even the level of interaction can be fun. I can wave, say hi, /spit, invite them to join in group to quest together, duel them, or completely ignore them and continue on my way.

    That's what I look for in MMO's, it's what I personally enjoy and am willing to pay $texas for.

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    GungHoGungHo Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    reVerse wrote: »
    So, fully voice acted game. Boy, that's gonna be a bitch to make new quests for. I guess we won't be seeing many, if any, content patches for this bad boy, huh.
    Not if they all speak Huttese.

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    Zetetic ElenchZetetic Elench Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    GungHo wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    So, fully voice acted game. Boy, that's gonna be a bitch to make new quests for. I guess we won't be seeing many, if any, content patches for this bad boy, huh.
    Not if they all speak Huttese.

    Or Nihilese.

    om dash nari to

    "I'm sorry?"

    :: force choke ::

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    bejeavisbejeavis Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    As long as it isn't the gibberish language from the sims. I'll be damned if that isn't the most annoying thing ever.

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    skippymchaggisskippymchaggis Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    sorry if this has been mentioned, but, owing to the awesomeness of the new trailer, how is the Republic not going to face the same problem that Order in WAR faces, i.e. it's not sexy and neat and therefore woefully under-populated?

    i want to say i remember pvp being involved in this game somehow? that's what leads to the above question. if it's not, then no worries, there just will be fewer asshats on the Republic side to deal with.

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    GoodKingJayIIIGoodKingJayIII They wanna get my gold on the ceilingRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    GungHo wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    So, fully voice acted game. Boy, that's gonna be a bitch to make new quests for. I guess we won't be seeing many, if any, content patches for this bad boy, huh.
    Not if they all speak Huttese.

    Or Nihilese.

    om dash nari to

    "I'm sorry?"

    :: force choke ::

    "What's that? Dash Rendar is gay Han Solo?

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    HavelockHavelock Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    sorry if this has been mentioned, but, owing to the awesomeness of the new trailer, how is the Republic not going to face the same problem that Order in WAR faces, i.e. it's not sexy and neat and therefore woefully under-populated?

    i want to say i remember pvp being involved in this game somehow? that's what leads to the above question. if it's not, then no worries, there just will be fewer asshats on the Republic side to deal with.

    I was thinking the same thing when I saw the trailer. In short, "Wow, this is awesome. Also, everyone and their mother is going to be rolling Sith when this breaks."


    Unless of course, they release a follow-up Jedi trailer that shows the Jedi owning face.

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    NEO|PhyteNEO|Phyte They follow the stars, bound together. Strands in a braid till the end.Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    So, because I'm bored and have little else to do, I've been watching this trailer a bunch, is it just my imagination, or is the Jedi guy's saber at the end not actually rolling on the ground? It starts out rolling normal-looking, then the business end lifts a bit as though it had a bumpy thing there, but there isn't one.

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    bejeavisbejeavis Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I dont think that is the real problem. The problem is going to manifest itself as a sea of glowbats, both red and otherwise, while the other classes are neglected at large.

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    HavelockHavelock Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    bejeavis wrote: »
    I dont think that is the real problem. The problem is going to manifest itself as a sea of glowbats, both red and otherwise, while the other classes are neglected at large.

    I doubt that. Sure, there will be a lot of force users, but the concepts and description of the Bounty Hunter/Smuggler classes sound like they'll be unique and interesting enough in their own right.

    I mean, can you deflect fire from a flamethrower with a lightsaber?

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    Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I would be sort of surprised if the starting population winds up being imbalanced. I mean a lot of people really like jedi.

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    GoodKingJayIIIGoodKingJayIII They wanna get my gold on the ceilingRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    The smuggler article makes it sound like you can pick sides if you play that class. If that's the case, how great would that be? No doubt they'd have a similar option for bounty hunters.

    Me, I'm interested in the Sith because I want to understand more about their motives. I'd be a little disappointed if it's nothing more than Evil Taking Over the Galaxy, but I don't think Bioware will do that.

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    FiarynFiaryn Omnicidal Madman Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    The smuggler article makes it sound like you can pick sides if you play that class. If that's the case, how great would that be? No doubt they'd have a similar option for bounty hunters.

    Me, I'm interested in the Sith because I want to understand more about their motives. I'd be a little disappointed if it's nothing more than Evil Taking Over the Galaxy, but I don't think Bioware will do that.

    Why would you possibly think they wouldn't do that? Villains in Bioware games are more often moustache twirlers than not. Revan had no personality until KOTOR 2 retconned the crap out of him and just wanted to conquer the galaxy nyahahahaha!

    The Siths motives are not complicated at all here: Revenge. They got the shit kicked out of them in the Great Hyperspace War and they're here to return the favor.

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    HappylilElfHappylilElf Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    sorry if this has been mentioned, but, owing to the awesomeness of the new trailer, how is the Republic not going to face the same problem that Order in WAR faces, i.e. it's not sexy and neat and therefore woefully under-populated?

    i want to say i remember pvp being involved in this game somehow? that's what leads to the above question. if it's not, then no worries, there just will be fewer asshats on the Republic side to deal with.

    I don't think that's actually a problem for Order in WAR. There are servers where Order has the population advantage, we're just not on one of them :P

    I thought the same thing though. That trailer made the Sith look like gods and the Jedi look useless. I'm kind of hoping for trailer Mk II where the Sith get blown the fuck up by troopers.

    I'm still laughing that I found useless little things in the trailer that bothered me. Hooray for nitpicking.

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    HavelockHavelock Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I'm still laughing that I found useless little things in the trailer that bothered me. Hooray for nitpicking

    Like that T3 unit?

    T3: "bweep bwonk dweep deet*"
    *Master there are Sith in here*

    Jedi: "NO SHIT"

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    FiarynFiaryn Omnicidal Madman Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    The Jedi are wearing armor. That alone is a huge step up in competence on their part.

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    reVersereVerse Attack and Dethrone God Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    They missed an opportunity by not having any fans there.

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    LouieLouie Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    republic trooper looks awesome imo - can't wait to rifle butt some sith scum!

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    Zetetic ElenchZetetic Elench Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Havelock wrote: »
    I'm still laughing that I found useless little things in the trailer that bothered me. Hooray for nitpicking

    Like that T3 unit?

    T3: "bweep bwonk dweep deet*"
    *Master there are Sith in here*

    Jedi: "NO SHIT"

    That T3 is puzzling the fuck out of me. It does nothing!

    I'd think it's supposed to be a hint of something. Like, it's the only survivor of that battle and it becomes a companion character later on, or something?

    Goddamn, I don't know.

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    HappylilElfHappylilElf Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Havelock wrote: »
    I'm still laughing that I found useless little things in the trailer that bothered me. Hooray for nitpicking

    Like that T3 unit?

    T3: "bweep bwonk dweep deet*"
    *Master there are Sith in here*

    Jedi: "NO SHIT"

    The Jedi getting knocked back and then tearing up the ground when landed. I actually chuckled. I think that's just become laughably cliche to me.

    And the Jedi totally should have made all of his armor out of that lightsaber proof material his cloak his was made out of.

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    HavelockHavelock Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I just like how the Jedi vaulted the Sith's lightsaber, and then the Sith pretty much went "Ok, well fuck you" and force pushed the Jedi through a wall while he was still in the air.

    I got a laugh out of that one.

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    HappylilElfHappylilElf Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Yeah that was cool. The Sith running up the dude and the slo-mow kicking him in the face was another groan inducer though.

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    Operative21Operative21 Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Fiaryn wrote:
    The Siths motives are not complicated at all here: Revenge. They got the shit kicked out of them in the Great Hyperspace War and they're here to return the favor.

    Oddly enough, I always thought the main reason, or at the very least the initial reason for the Sith having a hate-on for the Jedi was their general belief that the Jedi were weak and that their Republic was unfit for rule. The Sith always felt that by keeping such a tight lock on their passions and their emotions, the Jedi were too impartial and too uninvolved in the direction of the galaxy. In KotoR, especially the Sith Academy parts, I always got a sort of "you're doing it wrong!" impression when it came to the Sith's thoughts on the Jedi.

    Granted, after numerous wars I imagine revenge has also become a factor, but I imagine the Sith still feel they are better suited to forcefully guiding the direction of the galaxy.

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    GoodKingJayIIIGoodKingJayIII They wanna get my gold on the ceilingRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Fiaryn wrote: »
    The smuggler article makes it sound like you can pick sides if you play that class. If that's the case, how great would that be? No doubt they'd have a similar option for bounty hunters.

    Me, I'm interested in the Sith because I want to understand more about their motives. I'd be a little disappointed if it's nothing more than Evil Taking Over the Galaxy, but I don't think Bioware will do that.

    Why would you possibly think they wouldn't do that? Villains in Bioware games are more often moustache twirlers than not. Revan had no personality until KOTOR 2 retconned the crap out of him and just wanted to conquer the galaxy nyahahahaha!

    The Siths motives are not complicated at all here: Revenge. They got the shit kicked out of them in the Great Hyperspace War and they're here to return the favor.


    I'm thinking more about Mass Effect, which is a more recent and much better example of what Bioware is doing with characterization, than the first KOTOR game. Revenge is a nice surface motivation, but will it really carry me through days of playtime that it usually takes to reach level cap in an MMO? Probably not. If the Sith are so boring, I'll probably shove off. Either to another faction or game.

    And yeah, I'm also hoping that Bioware learned a little something from KOTOR 2. Which had plenty of its own story problems, if you'll remember.

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    Operative21Operative21 Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Havelock wrote:
    I just like how the Jedi vaulted the Sith's lightsaber, and then the Sith pretty much went "Ok, well fuck you" and force pushed the Jedi through a wall while he was still in the air.

    I got a laugh out of that one.

    The force-assisted leap, as well as the telekinetic recovery of his saber for a two-handed downward stab, was pretty badass.

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    FiarynFiaryn Omnicidal Madman Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Fiaryn wrote:
    The Siths motives are not complicated at all here: Revenge. They got the shit kicked out of them in the Great Hyperspace War and they're here to return the favor.

    Oddly enough, I always thought the main reason, or at the very least the initial reason for the Sith having a hate-on for the Jedi was their general belief that the Jedi were weak and that their Republic was unfit for rule. The Sith always felt that by keeping such a tight lock on their passions and their emotions, the Jedi were too impartial and too uninvolved in the direction of the galaxy. In KotoR, especially the Sith Academy parts, I always got a sort of "you're doing it wrong!" impression when it came to the Sith's thoughts on the Jedi.

    Granted, after numerous wars I imagine revenge has also become a factor, but I imagine the Sith still feel they are better suited to forcefully guiding the direction of the galaxy.

    There's definitely an element of that to it. And personally I agree with the Sith that unilaterally more or less demanding total emotional suppression of all Jedi is an incredibly terrible idea. It would make a good requirement to be a Jedi Master, but given that the Jedi try to be an institution for all Force users...well that's just not going to work. Not everyone is wired as to be able to do that, and you're just going to cause a breaking dam scenario later down the road. And that's just from the perspective of human psychology, not even taking into account the more aggressive species. An emphasis on psychology so as to better understand the psyche and the dangers of extremes, not emotions themselves, would probably do the Jedi a world of good in terms of net Jedi fallen to the Dark Side.

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    NEO|PhyteNEO|Phyte They follow the stars, bound together. Strands in a braid till the end.Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Havelock wrote: »
    I'm still laughing that I found useless little things in the trailer that bothered me. Hooray for nitpicking

    Like that T3 unit?

    T3: "bweep bwonk dweep deet*"
    *Master the Sith Leader Guy is over there kicking ass*

    Jedi: "Guess I'd better go stop him."

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    ArchonexArchonex No hard feelings, right? Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Yeah that was cool. The Sith running up the dude and the slo-mow kicking him in the face was another groan inducer though.

    From an aesthetic perspective, it looked alot better then what it would have if he had just kicked him without the slow-mo. He'd have just been a blur that slammed into the guy's face.


    I'm still trying to figure out what the fuck the Astromech droid was doing there.

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    kharvelankharvelan Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    honestly, I'm really sad about the trailer, I was hoping for actual in game play rather than a prerendered cutscene.

    Don't get me wrong, it's a nice cut scene . . . I just want to see in game action.

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