hey, at least we'll get that sweet sweet post nuclear nose candy
Isn't humanity pretty much on the edge of extinction when Cochrane invents the warp drive?
Based on the First Contact movie, I'd say no. They had booze, electricity, a working jukebox, and enough precision manufacturing capabilities to build a FTL capable ship. They even had a working ICBM booster and silo to repurpose for the job, which would indicate that the WWIII nuclear exchange wasn't the most extensive thing ever.
Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
hey, at least we'll get that sweet sweet post nuclear nose candy
Isn't humanity pretty much on the edge of extinction when Cochrane invents the warp drive?
They try to give that perception for sure in First Contact. The numbers they gave in the movie would represent only 5-10% of the population being killed in a nuclear war though. 600 million dead, with the 2018 population being 7.5 billion, and undoubtedly much high by 2063.
tbf the cause of 600 million deaths in a single incident or near-term group of incidents would probably cause a significant disruption to life as we know it
Yeah, humanity wasn't exactly circling the drain, but it was seriously battered for awhile.
And that's the question I've had with the fridge logic of First Contact. Would the nuclear fallout from wiping out 5-10% of the population actually cause a big enough nuclear winter to threaten life? Oh yeah our lifestyle would be fucked, but thinking about the setting of First Contact it still seemed rather empty.
That being said, they were in Bozeman, MT :P. TIL people live in Montana
hey, at least we'll get that sweet sweet post nuclear nose candy
Isn't humanity pretty much on the edge of extinction when Cochrane invents the warp drive?
No "only" 100 million people died in WW3 and mainly in Asia.
EDIT my bad 600 million
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The eugenics wars of the 1990s also killed 10s of millions, largely in the middle east and asia. We know that by the early 21st century the US had fallen into trouble. Without the vast riches of trade with Asia, the US had fallen on hard economic times. A Trumpian leader must have come along because the undocumented, unemployed and homeless were being herded into ghettos and left to die. At the same time across the globe the world gearing up for WW3. Tensions between the asianic powers were mounting now that the remnants of Kahn's retinue had been swept away. It wouldn't surprise me if the Bell Riots led directly to the outbreak of all out war. By all accounts the Bell riots moved the US into full on socialism. Now I imagine socialism was pretty cool for a while but lacking in trade partners, the US imploded after WW3 and we were left with hillbillies living in rundown shacks cannibalizing nuclear missile sites.
DS9 has the best set of main and secondary characters. It's amazing to think that a recurring character like Rom has a deeper character arc than any main character from any other Trek show.
When I was driving once I saw this painted on a bridge:
"I don't want the world, I just want your half"
I would take the TNG bridge crew over DS9's staff.
I guess Rom certainly has more development and change than most other main characters, but all the other main characters are basically officers who've been serving for years and their characters are mostly set. Rom is a child we see grow up and change. That doesn't, to me, make him more compelling than, say, Data. I wouldn't say that arc was necessarily 'deeper', either. He goes through more drastic changes because, well, he's a supporting character and you can do that to supporting characters without altering the DNA of the show. Giving Geordi PTSD would have a bigger impact.
I think Seven of Nine and the Doctor on Voyager are exceptions and change plenty over the course of their show.
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the best character on DS9 was what's his name
Allegedly a voice of reason.
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the TNG bridge crew is clearly excellent, the issue is DS9's crew just had so much more growth over 7 seasons. For the most part in TNG after 7 years the characters were still where they started. Sure they got "better" but there wan't nearly as much change.
A lot of that is really just TV changed over 10 years too.
I feel like the ds9 crew makes mistakes more often, leading to better character developement. The TNG crew is more an example of a refined, well oiled machine that reacts to bad or weird things happening to it. Both of them are cool, but for longer lasting TV DS9 could have kept on going.
I feel like the ds9 crew makes mistakes more often, leading to better character developement. The TNG crew is more an example of a refined, well oiled machine that reacts to bad or weird things happening to it. Both of them are cool, but for longer lasting TV DS9 could have kept on going.
It's a little bit of a stretch to invoke as an actual explanation, but the Enterprise has way more resources and safer circumstances for most of the series than Deep Space 9 does. Following the "It's easy to be a saint in paradise," idea, it's probably also a lot easier to grow in ways that don't require as much obvious on-screen development and drama when you're safely on the Federation's flagship.
Jean-Luc et al also have the benefit of a room full of writers giving them win-win third options, rather than the compromises and lesser evils that the DS-9 crew often had to settle for.
Jean-Luc et al also have the benefit of a room full of writers giving them win-win third options, rather than the compromises and lesser evils that the DS-9 crew often had to settle for.
as opposed to DS9 which is written by a crazy man in the 50s.
Someone better grab that symbiote back rull quick or I'ma get mad here
Terry Farrell was so good in that episode. She could act when the writers could figure out what the hell to do with Jadzia.
Right!?
I feel like in most episodes she's being directed to be a boring monotone weirdo trying to sell some deep friendship with Sisko that just comes off awkward most times
In this one and her trial there's a bit of a difference
So I'm blaming it on the director/writing yes
I did like when she and Kira had to go through some old cave to get in a derelict falling apart ship in the season opening three parter and she was whining about bugs lol
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Based on the First Contact movie, I'd say no. They had booze, electricity, a working jukebox, and enough precision manufacturing capabilities to build a FTL capable ship. They even had a working ICBM booster and silo to repurpose for the job, which would indicate that the WWIII nuclear exchange wasn't the most extensive thing ever.
tbf the cause of 600 million deaths in a single incident or near-term group of incidents would probably cause a significant disruption to life as we know it
And that's the question I've had with the fridge logic of First Contact. Would the nuclear fallout from wiping out 5-10% of the population actually cause a big enough nuclear winter to threaten life? Oh yeah our lifestyle would be fucked, but thinking about the setting of First Contact it still seemed rather empty.
That being said, they were in Bozeman, MT :P. TIL people live in Montana
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No "only" 100 million people died in WW3 and mainly in Asia.
EDIT my bad 600 million
Someone better grab that symbiote back rull quick or I'ma get mad here
Terry Farrell was so good in that episode. She could act when the writers could figure out what the hell to do with Jadzia.
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Um, excuse me, what about Morn? Don't you remember that time he fought off the Mirror Universe Borg invasion by himself? That was awesome.
DS9 has the best set of main and secondary characters. It's amazing to think that a recurring character like Rom has a deeper character arc than any main character from any other Trek show.
"I don't want the world, I just want your half"
I guess Rom certainly has more development and change than most other main characters, but all the other main characters are basically officers who've been serving for years and their characters are mostly set. Rom is a child we see grow up and change. That doesn't, to me, make him more compelling than, say, Data. I wouldn't say that arc was necessarily 'deeper', either. He goes through more drastic changes because, well, he's a supporting character and you can do that to supporting characters without altering the DNA of the show. Giving Geordi PTSD would have a bigger impact.
I think Seven of Nine and the Doctor on Voyager are exceptions and change plenty over the course of their show.
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but the DS9 cast are so consistently good, given excellent character arcs, and have some of the best representation in pre-discovery star trek
I just love 'em all
also do we mean Rom or Nog?
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A lot of that is really just TV changed over 10 years too.
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It's a little bit of a stretch to invoke as an actual explanation, but the Enterprise has way more resources and safer circumstances for most of the series than Deep Space 9 does. Following the "It's easy to be a saint in paradise," idea, it's probably also a lot easier to grow in ways that don't require as much obvious on-screen development and drama when you're safely on the Federation's flagship.
as opposed to DS9 which is written by a crazy man in the 50s.
Right!?
I feel like in most episodes she's being directed to be a boring monotone weirdo trying to sell some deep friendship with Sisko that just comes off awkward most times
In this one and her trial there's a bit of a difference
So I'm blaming it on the director/writing yes
I did like when she and Kira had to go through some old cave to get in a derelict falling apart ship in the season opening three parter and she was whining about bugs lol
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that has to be probably the worst crime a Trill could commit
well they're federation, so he's probably been dumped on a remote planet who's sun is about to explode.
hmm acceptable
Every time it comes up it's super ad hoc
"Well let's just see what the boy wants but also what powerful politicians want and uh we'll pull a solution out of our ass in the end"
"Let's put both putative fathers in a room and let them yell it out"
Someone hire some space family law lawyers
The Vulcans had the logical solution, but the rest of the Federation was all "death matches to solve disputes are barbaric".
Plus it turns out it's really hard to convince kids to fight their parents to the death, even when it's just one parent at a time.
Hmmmm
No one can resist Siddig
If this is the episode I'm thinking of, it was pretty f-ing creepy in retrospect.
It's...getting worse.
Also I'm pretty sure every time someone quotes the Rules of Acquisition they're just making shit up
EDIT: hey wait a minute!