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It's probably not onerous to ask screenshots be taken instead of rich media/links in this regard though. Preventing more traffic being driven to twitter is a good thing.
No using twitter doesn't take money from Elon, he can run that thing indefinitely out of spite even if it did. He's "losing" money in the way that Amazon is losing money year over year even though they're not actually. It's silly business accounting to get beneficial tax status, not actual monetary losses.
No it's not the same as using google or facebook (which a lot of people are not doing anymore either)
Elon wants you to stop using Twitter because it was like the #1 place to go to find out why he sucked
I would personally consider taking a screenshot more onerous than posting a link.
And if someone does want to visit Twitter off of that, which they might want to do for plenty of good reasons (verifying the author, checking the replies, &c), it's way more onerous to do that. Like especially if we're saying that everyone on Twitter is morally suspect (which I don't really agree with, but whatever) I want to be able to click through and check the person's profile to see if that's true of them as well.
It's also not onerous to ask folks who don't want to see twitter embeds to just switch that feature off. And since amplifying marginalized voices is a good thing, it seems that would be the path of greater good.
People flipped their shit so hard at unstickying a thread nobody but people already here were going to see that they got the forums shut down, so you'll have to excuse me if I literally laughed out loud at this
Come the fuck on
From a practical perspective, a Twitter ban doesn't do anything other than negatively affect the flow of information.
It has a drastically higher install base than Bluesky or Mastodon, which means that marginalized voices and major sources of news and information are likely to default to a Twitter-first approach to maximize the spread of information. Including information that's inconvenient or deleterious to Elon, specifically.
It's the social media equivalent of cutting off your nose to spite your face, and it contributes nothing positive to the community.
Besides, if Xenforo has an option for individual users to turn off Twitter embeds, that's a much better solution than a blanket ban.
That objectively did not happen.
What you are saying is not true.
You are perpetuating a falsehood.
Please stop doing that.
Fuck you
showing up to stir shit is a weird behavior
People lost their shit because they felt it was capitulating to the near omnipresent erasure of the Palestinian Genocide
We lost a great member of the community over it
Frankly I’d honestly trade your presence in the community for the rest of its days for even a week of Pooro back
But there is still a lot of information I don't get on Bluesky because a lot of institutions haven't switched over. I'm still missing lots of news, sports, and a bunch of artists and pro wrestlers I follow. I prefer the experience on Bluesky, but it's not a replacement for Twitter because it doesn't have the userbase it needs. So I have to keep twitter to follow up on stuff like, Saturday when an indie wrestler got injured twitter was where I could follow up to see that they had surgery and things were better. And I'll keep my account, because that way I have my curated feed and don't have nazi shit thrown on my timeline to see.
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This may come as a shock but I read more threads than I typically post in.
People here (on both sides) draw lines in the sand about performative nonsense all the time, and trying to claim otherwise is a bridge too far for me to let pass uncommented
Like WE MUST FIGHT FASCISM BY FIGHTING IT but I don't have the spoons to sign up for bluesky, I'm such a smol boi, I can't stomach the sacrifice is top-tier comedy
Twitter still has some use but it's dwindling hard. The bar that doesn't kick out the Nazis is the nazi bar after all.
However, contrasting that with Twitter seems to ignore that both platforms may have awful people at the top, but one of them is actively working with the government to suppress minorities and take rights away from people.
I don't know anything about *Googles 'who owns Reddit... okay who owns Conde Nast'* Roger Lynch, but a cursory glance at his Wiki page doesn't indicate that he'll be leading a government "agency" or whatever DoGE ends up being.
I also don't buy this 'Musk doesn't want you on Twitter saying mean things about him, leaving is playing into his hands!' suggestion either. We've seen how thin skinned he is, regarding traffic, views, likes, engagement. There is no way he's actually happy that Twitter's traffic is down (finding exact numbers was proving to be a pain, but that's what several results were showing me for 2024 and into 2025 data).
As we've seen with Truth Social (ugh), the Nazis/'Alt Right'/fascists/whathaveyou don't just want to scream at each other, they want targets and punching bags around as well.
And with the way the government is wording actions to take against marginalized communities, any such community still on Twitter should probably be getting a bail out plan together, as I wouldn't be surprised with either Musk deciding to start banning 'controversial topics and creators', or because organizing on a platform where privacy and security should be assumed to be 0 isn't great.
Yes, this is where folks can point out that with the glorious monster of an intelligence apparatus the US has at its disposal, likely nowhere is safe, but there's a difference between making them put a modicum of effort into that, versus just sitting in the lion's den hoping it doesn't notice you.
Screenshots take up storage for the forums.
If those Reddits want to approach it like that, more power to them, but in my view mandating that you have to screenshot everything just makes it harder to engage with worthwhile material, and it's a disproportionately large pain in the ass besides.
Also, I get the Nazi Bar analogy, but given that I have friends who are very much marginalized and / or anti-fascist who are forced to maintain a Twitter presence for a myriad of reasons, I would prefer if we didn't paint them with that broad brush. Especially when they didn't choose the platform's ownership, that particular shit sandwich was foisted upon them.
What about all the space taken up by arguments though
As a regular-ass forumer, I think everybody should stop using twitter yesterday but acknowledge that every best-in-class tech provider out there is cozy with the oligarchy, but I don't have the skills or cash reserve to live out my days in a mountainside cabin, so...
If we can't have arguments what's the point of a forum?
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Reddit is also owned, 9% stake (so third largest single ownership stake behind CN and Tencent) by Sam Altman
You know
This guy
The Nazi Bar comparison also isn’t a good fit because twitter isn’t analogous to “a bar;” if anything, it’s more akin to a territory of some kind made up of countless different communities.
And then Nazi Emerald FailSon came and colonized the place.
I've not yet really adjusted to using bluesky so I don't post there much yet either but I will eventually. Honestly their app just kinda lacks some features that twitter has/had that makes me less inclined to use it as much and... maybe that's for the best.
Screenshotting isn't exactly difficult. Snipping tool, Ctrl v.
I don't understand why we're voting for some things but not this I suppose?
This could probably be covered in one or more upcoming votes. There's a lot of focus on voting on as few things as possible since it will absolutely end up too many, and so it's very unlikely we would hold a vote on any particular topic that came up in water cooler, as its own vote.
I'm usually on my phone, so it's more screenshot gesture, go crop out any identifying details, resize, upload to forums.
Not that much work, but definitely more work than copying and pasting a link.
honestly it feels like people are only arguing it because they don't like that Lanz uses twitter and posts a lot of twitter embeds. I've never seen anyone in chat, on topic forums, or elsewhere here catch flack for twitter embeds, aside from like the first three months after Space Karen bought the place and it was breaking constantly, people got kinda annoyed then.
I guess just the "don't support the nazi bar" argument hasn't seemed to be an issue until now, at least to me, and it feels like it's being used as a punishment for users here rather than a mission statement in the CoC
Just an opinion though.
AS A HEADS UP ABOUT THIS
If you use Xcancel, you can at least get a whole thread again
Mind you Xcancel will also throw a verification screen at you to filter out bots
But you can view a full thread again without being logged in
For example:
https://xcancel.com/jacremes/status/1882419603336515772?s=46
also if you click a quote tweet it’ll load a new Xcancel page for that, so you can go further into the context [in that case the tweet from The Nation]
EDIT: one second thought that was a thread, finding a better example
EDIT: here we go I’ll use the Remes tweets I posted earlier in the Tanuki Current Events monitor about the shit they’re pulling at NIH and shit:
https://xcancel.com/jacremes/status/1882422058732212642?s=46
Also quote the text in case someone doesn't have the available data or bandwidth to download the full image, attribute the quoted text, and probably end up linking the source anyway as a courtesy in case people want to follow it back to the source.
People are arguing about it because it's suddenly a thing as of today/yesterday. Because of Musk's nazi salute and a bunch of other places on the internet deciding to ban twitter links and now it's a thing on the internet that everyone must have an opinion on.
That is nice on Bluesky as they have a button that does that for you
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