First John Wick film is far and away the best of the 3. I still enjoy the other 2 because they're both awesomely physical and don't actually take themselves too seriously despite being cruising through a world filled with assassins. And they set up some gorgeous shots on a consistent basis, plus tend to run with awesome soundtracks.
The second film is thus far the low point for me. It has two different scenes that piss me off royally: John shooting at another assassin blindly through a fountain in the middle of a crowd and nobody reacting or getting shot, and then shortly after that they do my all-time-most-hated-Hollywood-gun-trope where they're walking through the crowded subway shooting at each covertly with "silenced" weapons and nobody notices or hears. After the awesomely grounded nature of the first movie, seeing the second one drop down so far to such stupid tropes was really aggravating.
Also, I keep wanting the second movie to turn into a stealth Blade crossover for the big concert/promotion party for the sister and it never happens. No matter how many times I see it, no vampires show up and there's no Blade cruising through the crowd, allowing the two to give each other a polite professional nod as they pass.
Based on the third movie I just assume that 99% of people in the world of John Wick are either super-secret assassins or are in some way financed by/beholden to/support staff for/otherwise aware of the global cabal of super secret assassins. As such, nobody reacts to the gun shots in the street because that probably happens every night in that version of Rome and nobody 'notices' the silenced shots in the subway because those two are obviously having a discreet gun duel and reacting would be terribly rude. Like obviously listening when a couple is having a fight at the next table in a restaurant. You know it's happening but the polite thing to do is pretend you don't.
Yeah, the lore in John Wick has gone from, "There's this shadowy underworld of assassins alongside ours," to "Every single fucking person is an assassin pretending not to be an assassin. And everybody knows who John Wick is except for the idiot son in the first movie."
Still love the movies though.
To be fair, even the first movie suggests that everyone who's been around awhile is shitting-their-pants terrified of John Wick and it's the idiot son who is the one who doesn't know.
Thinking along those lines it strikes me that John Wick is kind of written as that whole "the super competent enemy that the protagonist runs from the whole film" but with a flimsy excuse to allow them to flip the script and make said person the hero so we are less conflicted about watching them be fucking cool.
Yeah, John Wick is definitely a monster/slasher flick told from the perspective of the monster. Just swap out "Killed his dog, stole his car" with "Looked into that creepy space egg" or "Read the book bound in human flesh" or your slasher flick trope of choice and the story stays pretty much the same up until the end when the monster wins.
Honestly, remove the "killed his dog" bit and flip the perspective (and make the thief not a complete tool), and it absolutely turns into a slasher flick where you're rooting for the car thief.
Most of the people Wick kills aren't even really bad guys, at least no worse than John.
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Shatner is under no obligation to actually watch RLM.
The whole thing came about because RLM fans kept harassing him to go on the show or podcast or whatever the fuck it is.
Also, yeah, this. Apparently it's still going strong, egged on by people haranguing Shatner about "RLM is good, actually" and the guy just becoming more a stone wall about it, which, of course that's gonna happen.
Some bridges just get burnt.
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If you read the article linked above, this Is not his first go-round with toxic fans who think their hero is entitled to Shatner’s time. He spent years getting harassed by fans of some nobody Fox Sports radio dude he declined an interview with.
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First John Wick film is far and away the best of the 3. I still enjoy the other 2 because they're both awesomely physical and don't actually take themselves too seriously despite being cruising through a world filled with assassins. And they set up some gorgeous shots on a consistent basis, plus tend to run with awesome soundtracks.
The second film is thus far the low point for me. It has two different scenes that piss me off royally: John shooting at another assassin blindly through a fountain in the middle of a crowd and nobody reacting or getting shot, and then shortly after that they do my all-time-most-hated-Hollywood-gun-trope where they're walking through the crowded subway shooting at each covertly with "silenced" weapons and nobody notices or hears. After the awesomely grounded nature of the first movie, seeing the second one drop down so far to such stupid tropes was really aggravating.
Also, I keep wanting the second movie to turn into a stealth Blade crossover for the big concert/promotion party for the sister and it never happens. No matter how many times I see it, no vampires show up and there's no Blade cruising through the crowd, allowing the two to give each other a polite professional nod as they pass.
Based on the third movie I just assume that 99% of people in the world of John Wick are either super-secret assassins or are in some way financed by/beholden to/support staff for/otherwise aware of the global cabal of super secret assassins. As such, nobody reacts to the gun shots in the street because that probably happens every night in that version of Rome and nobody 'notices' the silenced shots in the subway because those two are obviously having a discreet gun duel and reacting would be terribly rude. Like obviously listening when a couple is having a fight at the next table in a restaurant. You know it's happening but the polite thing to do is pretend you don't.
Yeah, the lore in John Wick has gone from, "There's this shadowy underworld of assassins alongside ours," to "Every single fucking person is an assassin pretending not to be an assassin. And everybody knows who John Wick is except for the idiot son in the first movie."
Still love the movies though.
To be fair, even the first movie suggests that everyone who's been around awhile is shitting-their-pants terrified of John Wick and it's the idiot son who is the one who doesn't know.
Thinking along those lines it strikes me that John Wick is kind of written as that whole "the super competent enemy that the protagonist runs from the whole film" but with a flimsy excuse to allow them to flip the script and make said person the hero so we are less conflicted about watching them be fucking cool.
Yeah, John Wick is definitely a monster/slasher flick told from the perspective of the monster. Just swap out "Killed his dog, stole his car" with "Looked into that creepy space egg" or "Read the book bound in human flesh" or your slasher flick trope of choice and the story stays pretty much the same up until the end when the monster wins.
Honestly, remove the "killed his dog" bit and flip the perspective (and make the thief not a complete tool), and it absolutely turns into a slasher flick where you're rooting for the car thief.
Most of the people Wick kills aren't even really bad guys, at least no worse than John.
Well no worse than John Wick is the lowest of low bars to clear.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
The first Wick movie felt like something new, I hadn't seen a good action film in what felt like forever, then it came along. 2 felt like it dragged. 3 was overall very entertaining, even if it seems to get a little crazy with the world its set in with all the coins and gewgaws and such.
Jw3 did have Boban Marjanović gettingkilled with a book
I also liked the GBU reference and horse fu. The horse stuff was hilarious because I believe it was directly related to the director having gotten kicked by a horse.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
I like all the John Wick movies because I'm tired of watching poorly edited shakycam fests with actors who didn't do a day of training. Even if the plot of JW is nonsense I will give it my money because I support good fight choreography and good stunts and actors who are willing to put in the work to learn fights so that the editor doesn't have to cut on every single impact to hide how shitty their technique is. If John Wick 74 is a two hour single take fight scene without a word of dialogue I'll still go see it.
Yeah, ignoring the merits of your movies themselves, the Wick films are examples of a bunch of dudes excelling at their craft, and I can watch that shit for days.
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The 3rd film especially has some fucking crazy twists in the story and I have no idea where the fuck they are going with this, but it should be fun.
What if I tell you its john on the run after betraying a deal he made with a mysterious person in his past, that he then needs to make strange bedfellows with a new person from his past that is going to betray/ed, which puts him on the run?
This feels like it's trying to be a bit but doesn't actually work because I'm not sure how this applies to any of the previous films.
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Imagine being famous and/or wealthy and engaging with Twitter directly and unironically.
Twitter barely has value as an RSS feed replacement. Beyond that, I struggle to have sympathy for people who willingly engage with that "ecosystem".
The 3rd film especially has some fucking crazy twists in the story and I have no idea where the fuck they are going with this, but it should be fun.
What if I tell you its john on the run after betraying a deal he made with a mysterious person in his past, that he then needs to make strange bedfellows with a new person from his past that is going to betray/ed, which puts him on the run?
This feels like it's trying to be a bit but doesn't actually work because I'm not sure how this applies to any of the previous films.
Its roughly the plot of 2
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Shatner is under no obligation to actually watch RLM.
The whole thing came about because RLM fans kept harassing him to go on the show or podcast or whatever the fuck it is.
But if we go by the logic that RLM are directly responsible for what their fans do, is Shatner then not responsible for anything Trekkies (including RLM and their fans) do?
I don't think knitdan or anyone else said that RLM is directly responsible for what their fans do.
I think the point is that constantly haranguing an old man to watch some hour long internet videos of nerds nit-picking and critiquing shit is a course of action that is unlikely to bear pleasing fruit, and has in this case borne a great big turd that dropped directly on to the heads of RLM.
Yeah like Shatner seems like an old man who doesn't understand why he should give a shit or why anyone is telling him this because he's an old man. It's like getting mad because your Grandad was constantly haranged into looking at zoomer memes and then he didn't get them at all.
but everyone (or at least those I respect) has to like what I like!
because otherwise my tastes and choices might be... wrong, and since I've constructed my entire identity around them, that would mean...
(fandom. it's fucked up!)
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Theres not much of a light gap between these RLM fanboys and console "enthusiasts" or people who think random multibillion dollar tech company is different than all the others.
Attaching your identity to these things sure is something tho.
I’m not even sure why we have old people. I thought people were supposed to be recycled when they turn 30? I saw a documentary about it once a long time ago but clearly Shatner is at least 31. Once you let oldness happen you can’t really be certain of anything they will do anymore.
The first Wick movie felt like something new, I hadn't seen a good action film in what felt like forever, then it came along. 2 felt like it dragged. 3 was overall very entertaining, even if it seems to get a little crazy with the world its set in with all the coins and gewgaws and such.
Wick had that action feeling that only compares to the first time I watched Bourne Identity. It was just completely new energy and technique, impressively composed and choreographed. A tight and well put together movie that had glimpses of an interesting universe but was excellent as a stand alone self contained story.
2 and 3 had some great technical action, and the fanboy fights were a fun twist with some nice touches, but it just spent too much time going into detail about things I didn't need to know. And some of the fight scenes went too long into choreographed violence porn...beyond visceral and brutal and more just how cool we can kill people.
They aren't terrible, and of course I'll watch Wick 4 eventually, but I would have been happy if they made Wick one and Keanu went and did something else interesting.
Blue Thunder is a movie I first saw when I was six years old, laying in a hospital bed after having had open heart surgery. I got to have a McDonald's Happy Meal while I watched it, the first non-hospital food I'd eaten. It was perfect for a six year old, police helicopters flying around shooting everything, eating junk food.
It's also a movie about the LAPD planning to acquire a prototype combat helicopter complete with a 20mm rotary cannon, stealth capabilities and long-range listening and recording devices for spying. Ostensibly to be used during the 1984 Olympics in LA (the movie takes place in 1983) for "civil unrest", but the true sinister plot being a secret organization lead by Malcom McDowell's character who are killing off opponents of the program so it can be fast-tracked and militarized then taken over by the organization and used to take out their political opponents.
So it pretty much predicted the future of law enforcement. All of this was lost on a six year old, of course. I got a Voltron figure in the Happy Meal.
I'd still love to see a spinoff Sophia and her Malinois(es?) going around and doing whatever just to watch more of them leaping into goons' crotches and limbs, biting and pulling till she gives the release command, and all the doggy parkour they managed. My wife and I love all the JW movies, but that fight just gave us the biggest grins watching them perform.
Yes but John Wick 3 had combat dogs so all is right with the world.
It also has Fanboy Enemy, which is a twist/joke I absolutely love the shit out of especially since Wick himself isn't quite sure how to deal with that beyond a civil level of open contempt.
But those combat dogs. Just... damn. They are fucking into it. I'll probably watch every one of those movies forever just for the sheer incredible physicality of the action scenes as long as they keep doing them for real instead of doing a mix of okay-ish choreography, shaky cam shots, and choppy editing.
I'd still love to see a spinoff Sophia and her Malinois(es?) going around and doing whatever just to watch more of them leaping into goons' crotches and limbs, biting and pulling till she gives the release command, and all the doggy parkour they managed. My wife and I love all the JW movies, but that fight just gave us the biggest grins watching them perform.
Yes but John Wick 3 had combat dogs so all is right with the world.
It also has Fanboy Enemy, which is a twist/joke I absolutely love the shit out of especially since Wick himself isn't quite sure how to deal with that beyond a civil level of open contempt.
But those combat dogs. Just... damn. They are fucking into it. I'll probably watch every one of those movies forever just for the sheer incredible physicality of the action scenes as long as they keep doing them for real instead of doing a mix of okay-ish choreography, shaky cam shots, and choppy editing.
Oddly they were trained to attack people by calling out "david justice" in an unrelated story David justice is missing.
Late, but piggybacking on Preacher's Last Quote there.
Major league Baseball fans will get Preacher's reference in that quote. It was awesome. (The not Awesome part, is how said baseball player is connected to Halle Berry and that sad story.)
We Are What We Are is a cool little horror movie on Amazon Prime. A woman mysteriously dies and her family has to cope with her loss in preparation for a DARK RITUAL of some sort while the town coroner tried to figure out how the woman died and also why human bones keep turning up in the river.
It's well put together and suitably creepy, and has one of those good endings where you're like HOLY GOD WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK but then you're like, oh, okay, that makes sense.
It's a neat movie! It has Michael Parks in it! Go watch it!
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We Are What We Are is a cool little horror movie on Amazon Prime. A woman mysteriously dies and her family has to cope with her loss in preparation for a DARK RITUAL of some sort while the town coroner tried to figure out how the woman died and also why human bones keep turning up in the river.
It's well put together and suitably creepy, and has one of those good endings where you're like HOLY GOD WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK but then you're like, oh, okay, that makes sense.
It's a neat movie! It has Michael Parks in it! Go watch it!
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Not long after watching We Are What We Are for the first time, I briefly developed a little resting tremor in my thumb, I think from a combination of fatigue and RSI, but the result was it looked a little like a pill-rolling tremor and that was not good timing.
While The Souvenir is a beautiful, and beautifully acted, film, I have to admit that I didn't love it. People have had issues with Julie (Honor Swinton Byrne), the main character, staying with her manipulative, exploitative boyfriend Anthony (Tom Burke), but that's not so much my issue: it's more that I didn't find her particularly engaging, and the dynamic between her and Anthony became somewhat repetitive after a while. While she's only a side character, I found Julie's mother Rosalind (Tilda Swinton, who is also Swinton Byrne's mother in real life) fascinating and surprising, especially towards the end, and there are some beautifully subtle scenes between the two. On the whole, though, The Souvenir's a film I'm glad I've seen once but that I won't feel any need to watch again.
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Ford v. Ferrari (HBO) was a very good movie. Standard in the usual historical biopic sense, but it was refreshing to see it done very well and not really be as emotionally manipulative as I expected. Batman's family life was more realistic than other biopics where they crank up the family drama and his wife was a really solid actress who felt perfect for the role. And that's where I think the film really shined, you expect a Maaaatt Damon and Patrick Bateman led movie but it's the other roles that really make it work, like The Punisher as Lee Iococca and the guy who played Phil, Shelby's right hand guy, had that wisdom feel down pat.
It's just a well told movie that didn't aim for cheap sympathy points by doing a more emotional topic. True, having Damon play a noble, pure Texan made me vomit a little initially because ewwww Massachusetts, go eat a Boston Bean flavored Dunkin Donut as you scream at the harbor for no reason, but this was actually one of Damon's best performances in at least 15 years. I would have loved to have Christian Bale yell out "ohhhh, good for you!" with that Ken Miles accent but he does a great job as always. It's a perfect family movie/airplane movie that actually draws you in the more it goes on, even if you already know the story. Momoland thumbs up 8/10.
Matt Damon's accent in Ford vs Ferrari was passable.
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Baby Driver is a really strange movie for me because everyone seems to like it, if not outright love it, and I found it to just be...mediocre? It's like it hits a blind spot in my film taste buds or something. (I get extra points for mixing metaphors, right?)
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The whole thing came about because RLM fans kept harassing him to go on the show or podcast or whatever the fuck it is.
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
Honestly, remove the "killed his dog" bit and flip the perspective (and make the thief not a complete tool), and it absolutely turns into a slasher flick where you're rooting for the car thief.
Most of the people Wick kills aren't even really bad guys, at least no worse than John.
Also, yeah, this. Apparently it's still going strong, egged on by people haranguing Shatner about "RLM is good, actually" and the guy just becoming more a stone wall about it, which, of course that's gonna happen.
Some bridges just get burnt.
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
Well no worse than John Wick is the lowest of low bars to clear.
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I also liked the GBU reference and horse fu. The horse stuff was hilarious because I believe it was directly related to the director having gotten kicked by a horse.
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Forget it...
This feels like it's trying to be a bit but doesn't actually work because I'm not sure how this applies to any of the previous films.
Twitter barely has value as an RSS feed replacement. Beyond that, I struggle to have sympathy for people who willingly engage with that "ecosystem".
Its roughly the plot of 2
But if we go by the logic that RLM are directly responsible for what their fans do, is Shatner then not responsible for anything Trekkies (including RLM and their fans) do?
I think the point is that constantly haranguing an old man to watch some hour long internet videos of nerds nit-picking and critiquing shit is a course of action that is unlikely to bear pleasing fruit, and has in this case borne a great big turd that dropped directly on to the heads of RLM.
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because otherwise my tastes and choices might be... wrong, and since I've constructed my entire identity around them, that would mean...
(fandom. it's fucked up!)
Attaching your identity to these things sure is something tho.
Wick had that action feeling that only compares to the first time I watched Bourne Identity. It was just completely new energy and technique, impressively composed and choreographed. A tight and well put together movie that had glimpses of an interesting universe but was excellent as a stand alone self contained story.
2 and 3 had some great technical action, and the fanboy fights were a fun twist with some nice touches, but it just spent too much time going into detail about things I didn't need to know. And some of the fight scenes went too long into choreographed violence porn...beyond visceral and brutal and more just how cool we can kill people.
They aren't terrible, and of course I'll watch Wick 4 eventually, but I would have been happy if they made Wick one and Keanu went and did something else interesting.
It's also a movie about the LAPD planning to acquire a prototype combat helicopter complete with a 20mm rotary cannon, stealth capabilities and long-range listening and recording devices for spying. Ostensibly to be used during the 1984 Olympics in LA (the movie takes place in 1983) for "civil unrest", but the true sinister plot being a secret organization lead by Malcom McDowell's character who are killing off opponents of the program so it can be fast-tracked and militarized then taken over by the organization and used to take out their political opponents.
So it pretty much predicted the future of law enforcement. All of this was lost on a six year old, of course. I got a Voltron figure in the Happy Meal.
Late, but piggybacking on Preacher's Last Quote there.
Major league Baseball fans will get Preacher's reference in that quote. It was awesome. (The not Awesome part, is how said baseball player is connected to Halle Berry and that sad story.)
It's well put together and suitably creepy, and has one of those good endings where you're like HOLY GOD WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK but then you're like, oh, okay, that makes sense.
It's a neat movie! It has Michael Parks in it! Go watch it!
Not long after watching We Are What We Are for the first time, I briefly developed a little resting tremor in my thumb, I think from a combination of fatigue and RSI, but the result was it looked a little like a pill-rolling tremor and that was not good timing.
While The Souvenir is a beautiful, and beautifully acted, film, I have to admit that I didn't love it. People have had issues with Julie (Honor Swinton Byrne), the main character, staying with her manipulative, exploitative boyfriend Anthony (Tom Burke), but that's not so much my issue: it's more that I didn't find her particularly engaging, and the dynamic between her and Anthony became somewhat repetitive after a while. While she's only a side character, I found Julie's mother Rosalind (Tilda Swinton, who is also Swinton Byrne's mother in real life) fascinating and surprising, especially towards the end, and there are some beautifully subtle scenes between the two. On the whole, though, The Souvenir's a film I'm glad I've seen once but that I won't feel any need to watch again.
"Nothing is gonna save us forever but a lot of things can save us today." - Night in the Woods
It's tough to think of lots of contenders for this, so there's something movies can get on with pronto.
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Run Lola Run?
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Raiders of the Lost Ark - the marketplace/basket scene
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It's just a well told movie that didn't aim for cheap sympathy points by doing a more emotional topic. True, having Damon play a noble, pure Texan made me vomit a little initially because ewwww Massachusetts, go eat a Boston Bean flavored Dunkin Donut as you scream at the harbor for no reason, but this was actually one of Damon's best performances in at least 15 years. I would have loved to have Christian Bale yell out "ohhhh, good for you!" with that Ken Miles accent but he does a great job as always. It's a perfect family movie/airplane movie that actually draws you in the more it goes on, even if you already know the story. Momoland thumbs up 8/10.
Also Steve’s exasperation with Bucky over him nearly killing people.
Edit oh wait I am thinking of civil war, not winter soldier