So this looks rad. Is it a bit more accessible than Crusader Kings because I had a real fuckin hard time trying to learn that game.
If you are at all familiar with 4x games it is way easier to get into than a ck or EU. Even if you aren't I would say it is still the easiest Paradox game to learn I have played.
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LasbrookIt takes a lot to make a stewWhen it comes to me and youRegistered Userregular
It's definitely closer to civ 5 than CK2 in difficulty.
So this looks rad. Is it a bit more accessible than Crusader Kings because I had a real fuckin hard time trying to learn that game.
The tutorial's pretty good at walking you through the first steps in a way that's integrated into the gameplay, as opposed to a bunch of disconnected scenarios.
It's complex so far but that's as much the setting as the gameplay. At least from what I'm seeing so far, it lowers you into the pool gradually as opposed to Crusader Kings' chucking you in the deep end. (Or Victoria II's bolting anvils to you and then chucking you in the deep end.)
I went into this one pretty blind, which has been fun. Led to excellent moments like one, maybe an hour in: "Hmm, I'm pretty comfortable in my star system, here. Got some orbital platforms, got some buildings. I've scoped out my two neighboring systems, but I wonder how big this thing is. Lemme just give the ollllll' scroll wheel a spin, and OH MY GOD IT GOES ON FOREVER."
So this looks rad. Is it a bit more accessible than Crusader Kings because I had a real fuckin hard time trying to learn that game.
Its a easier to play europa 4 with an emphasis on building your species/sandboxing in a large environment instead of europe and the new world. And even in eu4 you can spend a lot of time early fighting huge wars and trying to not die to france. This games a lot less pressing and the mechanics are streamlined
CkII was also about personal relationships and territory claims which are confusing as heck since I had never heard of de jure (I spelt this wrong didnt I) before ckII at all but well it was a thing!
The game still only has a eh tutorial but everything seems relatively straight forward or laid out and it doesnt have nearly the same feeling of overwhelmingness (disclaimer I played to many 4x paradox games) or a vicious fail state.
You can also min/max the hell outa these games but you dont have to and if anyone says im wrong im to busy building a federation.
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Tommy2Handswhat is this where am iRegistered Userregular
It would be cool if they had more options for starts in expansions like starting as a pre-spacefaring race that is uplifted by a more advanced empire that your homeworld is now a part of, and then being a vassal of that group or plotting to rebel and splinter off or overthrow the race that uplifted you.
I wasn't even paying attention when I made the galaxy. Usually I restart a whole bunch and mess with the settings but I'm trying for a whole hog commitment here for a while
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MrMonroepassed outon the floor nowRegistered Userregular
I'm reading a lot of reviews that suggest that things kind of fall apart in the midgame and were very mixed on the endgame.
Anyone gotten far enough to have a comment on that?
I'm reading a lot of reviews that suggest that things kind of fall apart in the midgame and were very mixed on the endgame.
Anyone gotten far enough to have a comment on that?
It does become a bit blah once everyone is boxed in.
It's a little like civ 5 vs beyond earth in that you can't relate to the various nations the way that you would in a historical setting, so the diplo game is a bit dry.
I think I'm gonna start up a new game in Ironman. I'll come back to my first civ later but I kind of want to try a more aggressive civ out for a bit, might as well try that without a safety net.
Real hankering for this game. At 30 on gmg its tempting, but, no.
Might start watching the run button LP for my fix. Game is so pretty.
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FishmanPut your goddamned hand in the goddamned Box of Pain.Registered Userregular
Yeah, I'm probably not going to pick this up until I have time to play it (never), so I'm just here for vicarious stories about homocidal space bunnies.
2235 and i've got five planets, with a couple more ready to be settled nearby, plus once I get the tropical habitation tech that'll add maybe 5-6 more all within my current boundaries.
Started over with imperial space foxes. I accidentally forgot to make armies when I did my first invasion. oops.
Ended up bombarding the darn planet for an awkwardly long time until I got boots on the ground.
My favorite thing so far in this play-through was infiltrating an alien world. These foxes are not so good at subterfuge and they kept messing up and having to cover their tracks like some grim comedy. The story blurbs on notices are pretty great.
Olivawgood name, isn't it?the foot of mt fujiRegistered Userregular
I spent like two hours making two different races before I even started the game
One was evil space squids with a penchant for xenoslavery, and the other are intended to be my ideal Cool Alien Friends
And then I started the game and my space-dino-mammals are an indirect democracy and literally the first three empires I meet, surrounding me on all sides, are plutocratic hegemony assholes who encroach on my borders at every opportunity and smush against my core worlds
I'm pretty sure the only reason I survived long enough to get where I am is because half of them were at least somewhat pacifistic, and the other half hated each other
But now my president has established a frontier in a separate spiral arm and I've made that my first real sector of space, and now I feel a lot safer having that to fall back to in case shit goes down on the inner arm, which it looks like it might if my new mushroom friends don't like my avian allies-of-convenience
playing as the friendliest peaceful mushroom men and nothing has been difficult so far except gaining influence. I'm at a point where i don't have enough to replace my rapidly dying-of-old-age dudes and im making... +1 influence? the only ways i can see to get it are -fully upgrading- a main building, which i don't even have the possibility of yet, or starting rivalries that i do not want to do.
Played a good bunch of this over the last couple days. It's really, really good. I think I've had way ore fun with it than CK2 so far.
As others have already mentioned my biggest issue is the really bland diplomacy and weird AI shenanigans. They're the usual mix of being very random and unhelpful unless you offer them way too much, and typically uninterested in co-operating at all unless they're in dire trouble (and even then not always...)
I just wish 4x games would start working more on making the AI interesting and divergent and the diplomacy considerable more engaging than just some trade options and nothing more.
I'm xenophobic and my two neighbors are xenophobic so not a lot of diplomacy going on right now
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Kane Red RobeMaster of MagicArcanusRegistered Userregular
Here's my little space turtle empire:
I appear to be in the galactic boonies, I've got my two neighbors shown there, but otherwise it looks like most people are clustered towards the center of the galaxy, and I'm all the way out here on a spiral arm.
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i've got a rebellion state in a neighbouring territory and have 2 of the advance starts kind of close to me
LETS GO
edit: I am the sovereign mith-fell states btw
from what I've watched of it in the quick look and such it seems more accessible, but I haven't played it myself to confirm that.
If you are at all familiar with 4x games it is way easier to get into than a ck or EU. Even if you aren't I would say it is still the easiest Paradox game to learn I have played.
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The tutorial's pretty good at walking you through the first steps in a way that's integrated into the gameplay, as opposed to a bunch of disconnected scenarios.
It's complex so far but that's as much the setting as the gameplay. At least from what I'm seeing so far, it lowers you into the pool gradually as opposed to Crusader Kings' chucking you in the deep end. (Or Victoria II's bolting anvils to you and then chucking you in the deep end.)
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how do I kill people. my blue lasers are not killing people, should I use mining lasers instead
Its a easier to play europa 4 with an emphasis on building your species/sandboxing in a large environment instead of europe and the new world. And even in eu4 you can spend a lot of time early fighting huge wars and trying to not die to france. This games a lot less pressing and the mechanics are streamlined
CkII was also about personal relationships and territory claims which are confusing as heck since I had never heard of de jure (I spelt this wrong didnt I) before ckII at all but well it was a thing!
The game still only has a eh tutorial but everything seems relatively straight forward or laid out and it doesnt have nearly the same feeling of overwhelmingness (disclaimer I played to many 4x paradox games) or a vicious fail state.
You can also min/max the hell outa these games but you dont have to and if anyone says im wrong im to busy building a federation.
Can I run it on a piece of shit laptop
Or in ubuntu
Yes on Linux I guess? I'll have to try that out now that I'm dual booting.
A game I can actually play on my desktop????
Now I just wonder if it will make my graphics card explode in the process or something
let me hyperlink that for you http://store.steampowered.com/app/281990/
Cause it looks SO COOL
Anyone gotten far enough to have a comment on that?
It does become a bit blah once everyone is boxed in.
It's a little like civ 5 vs beyond earth in that you can't relate to the various nations the way that you would in a historical setting, so the diplo game is a bit dry.
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which is to say the AI won't trade shit unless you're willing to pony up ten to a hundred times more than you'd receive in return
I really, really wish that "common enemy" was a stronger bargaining chip
If we're at war with the same enemy, and that enemy is stronger than either of us, the AI should be falling over itself to make deals
Might start watching the run button LP for my fix. Game is so pretty.
but I'm loving what we have so far
finally getting a hang for expanding my empire and fleet power
had a durp moment earlier where I realized space ports increase my force limit
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My empire is going to be incredibly dense.
Ended up bombarding the darn planet for an awkwardly long time until I got boots on the ground.
My favorite thing so far in this play-through was infiltrating an alien world. These foxes are not so good at subterfuge and they kept messing up and having to cover their tracks like some grim comedy. The story blurbs on notices are pretty great.
One was evil space squids with a penchant for xenoslavery, and the other are intended to be my ideal Cool Alien Friends
And then I started the game and my space-dino-mammals are an indirect democracy and literally the first three empires I meet, surrounding me on all sides, are plutocratic hegemony assholes who encroach on my borders at every opportunity and smush against my core worlds
I'm pretty sure the only reason I survived long enough to get where I am is because half of them were at least somewhat pacifistic, and the other half hated each other
But now my president has established a frontier in a separate spiral arm and I've made that my first real sector of space, and now I feel a lot safer having that to fall back to in case shit goes down on the inner arm, which it looks like it might if my new mushroom friends don't like my avian allies-of-convenience
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As others have already mentioned my biggest issue is the really bland diplomacy and weird AI shenanigans. They're the usual mix of being very random and unhelpful unless you offer them way too much, and typically uninterested in co-operating at all unless they're in dire trouble (and even then not always...)
I just wish 4x games would start working more on making the AI interesting and divergent and the diplomacy considerable more engaging than just some trade options and nothing more.
I appear to be in the galactic boonies, I've got my two neighbors shown there, but otherwise it looks like most people are clustered towards the center of the galaxy, and I'm all the way out here on a spiral arm.